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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 6:22:43 GMT
It's all a clever plan. As soon as Labour win the election Starmer will re-instate Corbyn and make him Foreign Secretary, re-instate the 21019 manifesto and go from there. No one will care that he lied, the Tories have made it acceptable, in fact desirable. But I cam see all the 'pearl clutching' right wingers and Brexiteers pulling their hair out. 🤣 As you sow so shall you reap. That will barely affect me. Brexiters may pull their hair out, Remnants have been doing it for nearly 7 years. I agree but 'pulling your hair out' at the positive naivety of leavers in believing liars like Johnson and his cronies is perfectly natural. I do think you are wrong in that a government that lies to the electorate affects everyone, especially those on low incomes. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 17, 2023 6:25:52 GMT
That will barely affect me. Brexiters may pull their hair out, Remnants have been doing it for nearly 7 years. I agree but 'pulling your hair out' at the positive naivety of leavers in believing liars like Johnson and his cronies is perfectly natural. I do think you are wrong in that a government that lies to the electorate affects everyone, especially those on low incomes. Other than in your head it's to do with Starmer, not Johnson. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 17, 2023 7:10:43 GMT
Labour must be a broad church. Starmer’s purge of the left puts his future government in peril Opinion by Neal Lawson • Yesterday 10:14 All political projects carry within them the seeds of their own destruction. Contradictions, paradoxes and limitations are hardwired through the context and conditions of their creation. An endpoint is built in at birth. After Keir Starmer’s announcement that Jeremy Corbyn will not be allowed to stand as a Labour candidate at the next election – the leader’s latest shut-up-or-ship-out message to the party’s left – the lifeline of any incoming Labour or Labour-led government has been shortened, perhaps dramatically.  This is not about support for Corbynism or leftwing ideas per se. Instead, it is to argue that in an age of increasing complexity, chaos and confusion any political project must have an agility, nimbleness and fluidity that allows it to forge ever-changing intellectual and movement alliances. Pragmatic politics is now defined by openness – not the closure of debate he has called for with a legitimate, though some would say misguided, wing of his party. link |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 17, 2023 7:27:24 GMT
Well on the amusing side, the far right Zionists said a few years ago they had no problems controlling the Conservative party but Labour were a real problem, not any longer I am guessing, their reasons for needing control could at best be fear for UK jews, or at worst so nobody would argue about anything they choose to do in and around Israel.
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 8:07:53 GMT
Back me or quit ... Starmer tells the hard Left "we are never going back" says leader in ultimatum to Corbynistas.  Owen Jones is probably the most stupidly biased and immature commentators of modern times. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 17, 2023 8:11:06 GMT
Owen Jones is probably the most stupidly biased and immature commentators of modern times. Which one of his statements is untrue? Served in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet
Campaigned for him to become Prime Minister
Defended him from accusations of antisemitism
Called him a friend
Promised to keep his radical domestic policies |
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 8:13:34 GMT
Starmer, used to be indecisive , now he's not so sure about that either  There are none better at spreading political slime against Labour, than disappointed Tories and their ilk. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 8:19:04 GMT
Owen Jones is probably the most stupidly biased and immature commentators of modern times. Which one of his statements is untrue? Served in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet
Campaigned for him to become Prime Minister
Defended him from accusations of antisemitism
Called him a friend
Promised to keep his radical domestic policiesWhich one of them carries any importance since Corbyn left and the face of politics changed ? I'd like to see the last one in quotation marks and in context. AS far as I'm concerned I rate him as being as big mouthed and as stupid as Farage. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 17, 2023 8:36:01 GMT
You can always state that Farage is far from stupid when the lefty trolls call him as such..
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 9:05:14 GMT
I agree but 'pulling your hair out' at the positive naivety of leavers in believing liars like Johnson and his cronies is perfectly natural. I do think you are wrong in that a government that lies to the electorate affects everyone, especially those on low incomes. Other than in your head it's to do with Starmer, not Johnson. So, in your opinion, a government lying to the electorate does not affect people? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 9:09:03 GMT
Owen Jones is probably the most stupidly biased and immature commentators of modern times. Which one of his statements is untrue? Served in Jeremy Corbyn's Shadow Cabinet
Campaigned for him to become Prime Minister
Defended him from accusations of antisemitism
Called him a friend
Promised to keep his radical domestic policiesNone, they are all true. He also said that constituencies should not have a candidate for MP imposed on them but that is exactly what he is doing by banning Corbyn from standing as a Labour candidate. The man is a liar, just like Johnson or the vast majority of Tories. This country is f*cked. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 17, 2023 10:18:21 GMT
Don’t allow Slammer to rewrite history Opinion by Telegraph View • Yesterday 22:00 Slammer may well be reflecting on a good week for his party. Labour was deemed to be clear of the anti-Semitism that had seeped into its activities. The equalities watchdog said enough had been done to root it out, although leading Jews believe it remains below the surface, especially in trade unions and local parties. What is astonishing is that a mainstream political party had to be monitored at all for anti-Semitism. Slammer has also moved decisively against Labour’s Left, much as his predecessors Tony Blair and Neil Kinnock did in order to make the party electable. He said the Left-wingers who had rejoined under Jeremy Corbyn and were now unhappy were free to leave. Moreover, Mr Corbyn would not be a Labour candidate at the next general election.
Here, then, was the smack of firm leadership – or it would have been had slammer not sought to install Mr Corbyn as prime minister just over three years ago. When the latter stepped down after the 2019 election defeat, his successor said by way of an encomium: “He’s a colleague, he’s a friend and he’s led us through some really difficult times in the Labour Party. I respect him and thank him for what he’s done.” ![]() link |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 17, 2023 10:26:32 GMT
In yet another sign of the "Imminent" Former CBI President Paul Drechsler stated that the Conservatives are not just losing the economic argument, but that Keir Starmer is winning the economic argument. As if this could not be any more embarrassing for the Tories, Mr Drechsler is a former advisor to David Cameron. Its beginning to feel like 1996, Corbyn has gone, the far Left have lost control, and Labour are electable again, but this time we MUST lock the door and keep them out. www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/labour-starmer-reeves-business-david-cameron-b2281172.html |
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Post by see2 on Feb 17, 2023 10:27:50 GMT
You can always state that Farage is far from stupid when the lefty trolls call him as such.. Well you can argue that with a lefty troll if that's your thing. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 17, 2023 10:30:40 GMT
I suspect that if Labour win the next GE Starmer will be dealt the same fate as Theresa May and Boris Johnson and Liz Truss.
Starmer might lead them to victory only because he's the best of a worst bunch, then they will have a vote of no confidence and swiftly replace him with Rayner, so she can implement the real Labour agenda, we wont have a say in Rayner taking over just like we never with May, Johnson and Truss, and we'll be stuck with no brains running the country, and I cringe to think what world leaders will make of her when she opens that big gob of hers, and we can only hope it's only her gob she opens.
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