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Post by Bentley on Feb 21, 2023 23:38:49 GMT
She never said that specifically. She was aiming at the Tory government. If you can adamantly claim she was not referring to the government, then PROVE with unequivocal evidence WHO SHE WAS referring to. I said that she WAS referring to the government . Try to keep up. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 22, 2023 9:37:16 GMT
But that is the Prime Minister and his cabinet. Not much different from what I say she said No Steve . We must include the back bench Tories. Otherwise a Tory cabinet minister would cease to be scum at the point where they return to the back benches and back benchers would instantly become scum if they were to become ministers . We are going to have to disagree on that 'The government' is those that govern the country IE the PM, secretaries and ministers of state and the civil servants they control. The other MPs of the same party have no governmental power. Rayner's comments show it was that inner group she was having a go at |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 9:47:19 GMT
If you can adamantly claim she was not referring to the government, then PROVE with unequivocal evidence WHO SHE WAS referring to. I said that she WAS referring to the government . Try to keep up. Thanks for that. But then you imply she meant much more, which clouds your position somewhat. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 9:48:58 GMT
It is your chosen position. Thanks for your clarification on "by association" which is a suggestion, an opinion, not a fact. It’s a fact. Something that a real psychologist would know . By calling the government scum she would be insulting the people who facilitated them. Grow up. There’s not much time left . Only in your limited thinking. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 9:51:13 GMT
No Steve . We must include the back bench Tories. Otherwise a Tory cabinet minister would cease to be scum at the point where they return to the back benches and back benchers would instantly become scum if they were to become ministers . We are going to have to disagree on that 'The government' is those that govern the country IE the PM, secretaries and ministers of state and the civil servants they control. The other MPs of the same party have no governmental power. Rayner's comments show it was that inner group she was having a go at Bullshit Steve . That would mean that a backbencher becomes scum the moment that they ministers and stopped being scum when they returned to the back benches . You are making excuses to save face . You are deliberately ignoring the reality of what she said . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 9:51:47 GMT
I said that she WAS referring to the government . Try to keep up. Thanks for that. But then you imply she meant much more, which clouds your position somewhat. I didn’t try to imply much more . Try to keep up . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 9:52:12 GMT
It’s a fact. Something that a real psychologist would know . By calling the government scum she would be insulting the people who facilitated them. Grow up. There’s not much time left . Only in your limited thinking. Oh the irony again . |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 9:53:22 GMT
But that is the Prime Minister and his cabinet. Not much different from what I say she said No Steve . We must include the back bench Tories. Otherwise a Tory cabinet minister would cease to be scum at the point where they return to the back benches and back benchers would instantly become scum if they were to become ministers . No if she was referring to THE GOVERNMENT, it is to those who are in government not to their predecessors or their replacements. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 9:54:40 GMT
Thanks for that. But then you imply she meant much more, which clouds your position somewhat. I didn’t try to imply much more . Try to keep up . By "association". It is yourself that needs to try and keep up. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 9:56:51 GMT
No Steve . We must include the back bench Tories. Otherwise a Tory cabinet minister would cease to be scum at the point where they return to the back benches and back benchers would instantly become scum if they were to become ministers . No if she was referring to THE GOVERNMENT, it is to those who are in government not to their predecessors or their replacements. No she was referring to Tory MPs. In the world between you ears maybe a Tory MP could instantly become scum when promoted and stop being scum when sent back to the back benches but in the real world that would be as ridiculous as your posts . If you have unequivocal proof that she meant this then post it . If not don’t waste my time . |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 9:59:24 GMT
I didn’t try to imply much more . Try to keep up . By "association". It is yourself that needs to try and keep up. That isn’t ‘ much’ more . It’s a fact. In the world between your ears the people who elected scum into office might not have any association with those scum but in the real world that is as ridiculous as your posts . If you have unequivocal proof that people who elected scum into government have no association with that scum then post it . Otherwise don’t waste my time . |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 10:01:01 GMT
We are going to have to disagree on that 'The government' is those that govern the country IE the PM, secretaries and ministers of state and the civil servants they control. The other MPs of the same party have no governmental power. Rayner's comments show it was that inner group she was having a go at Bullshit Steve . That would mean that a backbencher becomes scum the moment that they ministers and stopped being scum when they returned to the back benches . You are making excuses to save face . You are deliberately ignoring the reality of what she said . It's the usual hypocrisy at work. It wouldn't be so bad if people were actually surprised by odious Rayner's foul mouth. This is the Labour party we're talking about. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 22, 2023 10:04:48 GMT
Bullshit Steve . That would mean that a backbencher becomes scum the moment that they ministers and stopped being scum when they returned to the back benches . You are making excuses to save face . You are deliberately ignoring the reality of what she said . It's the usual hypocrisy at work. It wouldn't be so bad if people were actually surprised by odious Rayner's foul mouth. This is the Labour party we're talking about. Had her apologists on this forum claimed that she was too dim to understand what she actually said then perhaps I might agree but they insist on framing her rant to excuse it altogether. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 10:10:31 GMT
No if she was referring to THE GOVERNMENT, it is to those who are in government not to their predecessors or their replacements. No she was referring to Tory MPs. In the world between you ears maybe a Tory MP could instantly become scum when promoted and stop being scum when sent back to the back benches but in the real world that would be as ridiculous as your posts . If you have unequivocal proof that she meant this then post it . If not don’t waste my time . So one minute it is the government i.e. a limited number of people, the next it is to Tory MPs. That is how confused the mess between your ears is. Now we have an answer to another example of your limited thinking. The individual members of the government referred to, remain "scum" in terms of the comment aimed at them, for ever, no matter where they are, even after they leave parliament. You can only miss the obvious because of your apparent need to be right, even when you are wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2023 10:12:19 GMT
It's the usual hypocrisy at work. It wouldn't be so bad if people were actually surprised by odious Rayner's foul mouth. This is the Labour party we're talking about. Had her apologists on this forum claimed that she was too dim to understand what she actually said then perhaps I might agree but they insist on framing her rant to excuse it altogether. Thankfully they're unconvincing and only damaging their own reputation by spinning it to suit themselves. The fact that she, who is in a position where she could be managing the country oneday, refers to her opposition as "scum" is cause alone for dismissal. There is no justification at this level. |
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