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Post by Vinny on Feb 13, 2023 23:39:48 GMT
Newark by Election, South Thanet Election overspending in both cases, loads of examples of breaking electoral commission rules before the referendum.
Usually lying rather than telling the truth.
Lied about getting the reforms he was after, lied about recession, lied about half a million job losses. Lied in the 2015 election campaign and 2010.
You're not telling me you consider Cameron trustworthy. He's a politician and a greedy one at that.
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 13, 2023 23:57:17 GMT
Lied when he said he'd stick around to implement the result of the referendum.
Lied about a pig.
Still a shining example of honesty compared to Bojo.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 14, 2023 3:03:09 GMT
Democratically, we are better off. Because people can see that voting WORKS. People can see that the politicians have to listen to us and have to work for us. Economically we're growing there is still trade. We're diversifying our trading relationships and building bridges with other partners. Yes it is a success. But what might hit everyone, EU included are global recessive forces: Covid debt legacy and the consequences of prolonged war in Ukraine. I'm more worried about those problems. I can still sell to the EU. I can still sell to the rest of the world as well. Democratically we are worse off as the public now see that lying and cheating are what gets results. As for you being able to still sell to the EU well that's just as long as the swivel eyed don't get their way and kill that UK-EU deal Democratically the UK is better off. The only reason it looks as though the UK is no better off is because we have very sore losers who don't accept democracy when a vote or two doesn't go their way. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 14, 2023 5:09:22 GMT
Mandelson, Campbell and BLIAR strongly remind me of the three faces of Satan in Dante's Inferno.......Mandelson is the personification of the adage, "Politics is show business for ugly people" !.........These fifth coIumnists wiII NEVER stop. We must be eternaIIy vigilant.........Is the tosser still with his Brazilian boyfriend he 'assisted' in getting UK visa?
Over fine claret, Lord Mandelson set out his vision for a cosier relationship with his beloved EUSSR: ANDREW PIERCE reveals what happened inside the secret country house summit about Britain's links with Brussels. They gathered in secrecy in the Great Hall in Ditchley Park where Winston Churchill had held clandestine meetings with the Americans during the Second World War. The 20 guests at the special conference to address the challenges of Brexit included Lord Mandelson, high priest of the black art of political propaganda, who is a former Labour Cabinet minister and EU commissioner – and, of course, an ardent Remainer. On the Brexit side was Michael Gove, the Levelling Up Secretary, who was a key figure in Vote Leave. Like all Cabinet ministers, he showed his diary of events in advance to No 10 who nevertheless say they never knew that he would be attending. When they arrived on Thursday afternoon, the participants were politely but firmly reminded, over cups of Earl Grey tea, of the golden ‘Ditchley Rule’: ‘Contributions are unattributable and interventions are made in strict confidence’. In other words, what is said at Ditchley remains at Ditchley. Yet within 36 hours of the meeting breaking-up, in which Remainers heavily outnumbered the Brexiteers, the conference had been leaked to a Labour-supporting Sunday newspaper under the headline: ‘Secret cross-party summit held to confront the failings of Brexit’.
www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-11746929/ANDREW-PIERCE-fine-claret-Lord-Mandelson-set-vision-cosier-relationship-EU.html |
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 14, 2023 7:04:50 GMT
I just wonder what problem these stupid people think rejoining the EU will solve.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 14, 2023 7:45:49 GMT
Pity this wasn't done before the referendum.
It never occurred to any of the politicians to stop shouting about grand unplanned promises and actually analysed the problems Brexit would bring.
Now it is like pulling a flat cake out of the oven and trying to put in the eggs we forgot to put in when we could. The leavers didn't bother to read the recipe and were in too much of a hurry promising spectacular results.
At least someone is consolidating the issues and thinking about solutions.
But the biggest problem will be to get the EU to listen. I mean why should they?they are doing fine without the whiney inconsistent troublemakers off its western shore.
Ireland of course is doing well. It imports what it wants from NI and ships it out to the EU free of charge. As long as the DUP behaves like children there is little surveillance on trade and I would imagine, a whole load of smuggling going on via those quaint little roads and across those fields of wheat.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 14, 2023 8:09:35 GMT
Leaving a corrupt Mafia dictatorship like the EU is always going to be difficult … and will never improve the UK’s situation if there are anti-Democratic Remainer traitors in the woodwork …like Mandelson and Co. working secretly to undermine transition.
Because the EU Project is run, financed, directed and controlled by Israeli/American Zionist money makers … These Cartels will make you really SUFFER if you OPT OUT.
What the British Public hoped for was unity and determination and the ability of Big Business to seek out new markets in our Commonwealth Alliance …. and with Countries outside this Mafia that wouldn’t impose crippling conditions of trade.
The trouble is this Mafia is in The City … and it’s octopus tentacles are everywhere doing damage to Britain until we comply with their dictates.
We are alone fighting this CORRUPTION … but we were alone fighting Nazi Fascism in 1939. …. The problem is today we don’t have a person with the strength, resilience and foresight of Churchill to lead this Country to victory against this EVIL.
Now we are fighting a very dangerous organised bullying Zionist Fascism linked to a New World Order totalitarianism running the Kalergi Plan … that breaks borders and floods once healthy Western Economies with dangerous destabilising BLM anarchists and racist religious fundamentalists.
Remoaners are the Oswald Moseley Set of the 1930’s … we really need to deport these people and the Media that support them now … because they are rotting the framework of Britain … and have sold their Souls to this criminal organisation.
Desperate times call for desperate measures …. we have tolerated these criminal traitors for far too long.
Brexit was always going to be difficult … but we never realised the number of pigs with their heads in the EU Trough who refused to come off a diet of truffles, caviar and champagne for a few years while we transitioned.
What is most disappointing is that other Countries in Europe who recognised the validity of Farage’s criticism of the EU Commission’s corruption … and it’s ‘fake’ Democracy … didn’t stand up there and then … and support the ‘cleaning out of the EU PIGSTY’.
… but they largely all rolled over and welcomed in Hitler, Mussolini and Franco’s brand of Fascism in ‘39 …. so what’s changed?? ….. spineless wonders that love to push us towards WW3.
I no longer care what happens to Britain now …when this level of idiocy and complicity is in the building. The Cirque du House of Commons has no commoners being represented anymore.
We might as well ‘pull the building’ as far as most indigenous Brits are concerned.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 14, 2023 8:32:50 GMT
I just wonder what problem these stupid people think rejoining the EU will solve. They act as though it will solve Britain's domestic issues in an instant. After the GFC in 2008, the UK still lagged in returning to pre-GFC levels in 2013 and the UK was a fully paid up member of the famed Single Market. Lot of good that did the UK economy. pah! Returning back to that status quo will probably only ensure one thing, no strikes for better pay because all the cheap labour will come flooding back in pushing wages down again. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2023 9:07:53 GMT
Lied when he said he'd stick around to implement the result of the referendum. Lied about a pig. Still a shining example of honesty compared to Bojo. FFS is that the best you've got  Do look up the word lie, maybe you weren't listening in school when they covered monosyllable words |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2023 9:09:56 GMT
I just wonder what problem these stupid people think rejoining the EU will solve. You do know the difference between saying we were wrong to leave and arguing for rejoining don't you. Seems not from your post. And remember 'closer ties' is very much NOT the same as rejoining |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2023 9:13:24 GMT
I just wonder what problem these stupid people think rejoining the EU will solve. They act as though it will solve Britain's domestic issues in an instant. After the GFC in 2008, the UK still lagged in returning to pre-GFC levels in 2013 and the UK was a fully paid up member of the famed Single Market. Lot of good that did the UK economy. pah! Returning back to that status quo will probably only ensure one thing, no strikes for better pay because all the cheap labour will come flooding back in pushing wages down again. That's one of the problems of rejoining. We couldn't get back to the position AND trajectory we'd have been on had we remained with Cameron's deal - which finally turned the tide back on fundamentalist freedom of movement. But make no mistake, we have to have close ties with our major local market or we are so up that creek without a paddle. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 14, 2023 9:33:05 GMT
I just wonder what problem these stupid people think rejoining the EU will solve. You do know the difference between saying we were wrong to leave and arguing for rejoining don't you. Seems not from your post. And remember 'closer ties' is very much NOT the same as rejoining Do we know what closer ties entail? |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2023 9:40:45 GMT
You do know the difference between saying we were wrong to leave and arguing for rejoining don't you. Seems not from your post. And remember 'closer ties' is very much NOT the same as rejoining Do we know what closer ties entail? Well for a start it would mean less gobbing off by some of our government figures. And a resolution to the NI protocol and then access to the EU market for our financial institutions. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 14, 2023 10:01:29 GMT
I just wonder what problem these stupid people think rejoining the EU will solve. They act as though it will solve Britain's domestic issues in an instant. After the GFC in 2008, the UK still lagged in returning to pre-GFC levels in 2013 and the UK was a fully paid up member of the famed Single Market. Lot of good that did the UK economy. pah! Returning back to that status quo will probably only ensure one thing, no strikes for better pay because all the cheap labour will come flooding back in pushing wages down again. The EU never promised an economy to anyone. It facilitated national economic development by securing various beneficiary trade deals with over 80 countries, and the UK was quick to roll them over. What each member nation did within under the terms of the deal was entirely up to them. If the UK didn't benefit from them and others did, it wasn't because of the deals. It was because of UK management, internal systems, backscratchiing and taxation, all under sovereign control. The EU is there to allow greater access to global trade, improve the quality of imports and exports, maintain workers rights and unite to protect the environment over an important part of the globe. The UK has signed three trade treaties, amounting to .08% of its GDP and likely to do great damage to UK farming. It is seriously considering trading with the CPTPP, which has very flexible quality control. As for workers rights, the current Brexit government is ignoring state employees' strikes, and discussing plans to reduce their right to strike, and finally I see no control over a new coal mine or poouring raw sewage into rivers and beaches. The only attempt to regulate the environment is extensions to EU requirements and Sadiq Khan's wet dream of ridding London of traffic. So what has Brexit done for the UK that the UK couldn't have done as a member other than already reducing standards of living? |
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Post by Steve on Feb 14, 2023 10:04:10 GMT
Newark by Election, South Thanet Election overspending in both cases, loads of examples of breaking electoral commission rules before the referendum. Usually lying rather than telling the truth. Lied about getting the reforms he was after, lied about recession, lied about half a million job losses. Lied in the 2015 election campaign and 2010. You're not telling me you consider Cameron trustworthy. He's a politician and a greedy one at that. FFS is that the best you've got? You only got the Brexit referendum because that overspending in the likes of South Thanet kept Cameron in power And it's less that honest of you to move a point about supposed lying and cheating in the Brexit campaign to events way before it You have woefully failed I repeat the original challenge which you full well know was about the Brexit referendum with some key words emphasised Go on show us
a) a false statement by them known to be false when made
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b) a deliberate breaking of the rules by them in order to effect an advantage
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