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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 15:07:31 GMT
The man is deranged. He is a menace to society. Still, it's useful to know that the EU spammers are no different to the Nazi propagandists. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 13, 2023 15:15:36 GMT
Not on this planet it aint Why do you say that We're either out of the EU or we're not. If we're not, then it's a failure. If we are, then, however much remoaners might not be happy with the arrangement, we've been successful in leaving the EU and honouring the vote on the ballot paper to leave the EU. Oh dear do I really have to explain in simple terms that for Brexit to be a success the UK has to be better off than it would have been had we remained. And it clearly isn't, that you and others have to keep pushing false 'look what we saved you from' stories just proves you know it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 15:18:19 GMT
Why do you say that We're either out of the EU or we're not. If we're not, then it's a failure. If we are, then, however much remoaners might not be happy with the arrangement, we've been successful in leaving the EU and honouring the vote on the ballot paper to leave the EU. Oh dear do I really have to explain in simple terms that for Brexit to be a success the UK has to be better off than it would have been had we remained. And it clearly isn't, that you and others have to keep pushing false 'look what we saved you from' stories just proves you know it. A dictatorship full of censorship and cultural Marxism and cutural genocide is pro-EU. A democracy of honest working people who contribute and expect their children to inherit their good deeds is pro-Britain. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 13, 2023 15:18:19 GMT
Rejoining won't happen. Get over it. Not this side of the General Election after next. But never? Who knows The priority right now is to punish the guilty that so dishonestly manipulated to get the Brexit that benefited their niche interests |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 15:26:49 GMT
The man is deranged. He is a menace to society. Still, it's useful to know that the EU spammers are no different to the Nazi propagandists. Why does Nazism even cross your mind.  |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 15:30:27 GMT
Slightly and that's only because trading with the EU has become such a pain in the arse many companies have given up on it. Like the fishermen. Not only did they get shafted on post Brexit quotas but they lost markets for their catches in the EU and have to flog their wares off cheap elsewhere. Still, sovereignty and blue passports. I'm sure they still think it was worth it... Of course it was worth it. The issue is that the mainstream parties are filled with EUphiles who have been dragging their feet and sabotaging the process for years.
The problem is the current British government where the alternative party is even worse. Obviously Brexit wasn't enough to drain the swamp.
The mainstream parties are filled with EUphiles because they know and accept that Brexit IS the swamp. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 15:37:14 GMT
Still, it's useful to know that the EU spammers are no different to the Nazi propagandists. Why does Nazism even cross your mind. The Nazis and Fascists wanted the forced unification of Europe, at any cost. Most of you are controlled by corporate think tanks. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 15:40:43 GMT
Of course it was worth it. The issue is that the mainstream parties are filled with EUphiles who have been dragging their feet and sabotaging the process for years.
The problem is the current British government where the alternative party is even worse. Obviously Brexit wasn't enough to drain the swamp.
The mainstream parties are filled with EUphiles because they know and accept that Brexit IS the swamp. They wanted to destroy the eurosceptic parties but overestimated their Goebbels style propaganda when the people voted for Leave. The truth of the matter is that the mainstream parties were never committed to Leave and do not represent the people.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 13, 2023 15:50:18 GMT
Why do you say that We're either out of the EU or we're not. If we're not, then it's a failure. If we are, then, however much remoaners might not be happy with the arrangement, we've been successful in leaving the EU and honouring the vote on the ballot paper to leave the EU. Oh dear do I really have to explain in simple terms that for Brexit to be a success the UK has to be better off than it would have been had we remained. And it clearly isn't, that you and others have to keep pushing false 'look what we saved you from' stories just proves you know it. It’s simple we are playing with the big boys now, not the wanked out vending machine known as the EUSSR…. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 13, 2023 16:08:02 GMT
Why do you say that We're either out of the EU or we're not. If we're not, then it's a failure. If we are, then, however much remoaners might not be happy with the arrangement, we've been successful in leaving the EU and honouring the vote on the ballot paper to leave the EU. Oh dear do I really have to explain in simple terms that for Brexit to be a success the UK has to be better off than it would have been had we remained. And it clearly isn't, that you and others have to keep pushing false 'look what we saved you from' stories just proves you know it. Democratically, we are better off. Because people can see that voting WORKS. People can see that the politicians have to listen to us and have to work for us. Economically we're growing there is still trade. We're diversifying our trading relationships and building bridges with other partners. Yes it is a success. But what might hit everyone, EU included are global recessive forces: Covid debt legacy and the consequences of prolonged war in Ukraine. I'm more worried about those problems. I can still sell to the EU. I can still sell to the rest of the world as well. |
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Post by Einhorn on Feb 13, 2023 16:11:36 GMT
The man is deranged. He is a menace to society. Still, it's useful to know that the EU spammers are no different to the Nazi propagandists. Funny you should mention propagandists - Nigel Farage refused to back an EU Parliament initiative to curb Putin's propaganda. And it looks like the ECHR will insist on an investigation into the role played by Russia in Brexit. Respectski the voteski! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 17:08:57 GMT
Why does Nazism even cross your mind. The Nazis and Fascists wanted the forced unification of Europe, at any cost. Most of you are controlled by corporate think tanks. The Nazis did, yes. But the EU has never forced anyone to join their club. Fact is, the UK had to "beg" three times before it was accepted by the then EEC and then in the early 90s, a duly elected government signed us up for membership renewal and confirmation when it the EEC decided to become the EU. So, your argument is a non starter, really. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 17:21:13 GMT
The Nazis and Fascists wanted the forced unification of Europe, at any cost. Most of you are controlled by corporate think tanks. The Nazis did, yes. But the EU has never forced anyone to join their club. Fact is, the UK had to "beg" three times before it was accepted by the then EEC and then in the early 90s, a duly elected government signed us up for membership renewal and confirmation when it the EEC decided to become the EU. So, your argument is a non starter, really. The EEC was not the EU, and you may find that the EEC referendum had a lower turnout and based on the model of the time. After it morphed into the beast EU sceptism grew and grew, until the British people voted to leave it. As for how the EU behaves I only need look at its fanatics (EU spammers) who openly advocate ignoring democracy and to force us in through the backdoor organised from private meetings. The very thing the British people were opposed to is what you continue to advocate from a hyperactive position.
I doubt you're even British.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 13, 2023 17:40:43 GMT
I'd like someone to advocate another referendum on rejoining as a manifesto commitment - then we could all see exactly what the costs and rules would be. At the moment all we get is whinging and comparisons based on a membership formula which wouldn't apply in future. Oh right, just like the detailed plan the Leave team presented before (and after) the last referendum? Brexit Means Brexit was the best anyone could come up with until Boris's brilliant Get Brexit Done. Here I've got a plan for you, Rejoin Means Rejoin. Brexit means leaving the club - as we were incessantly told by the EU at the time. So if you propose joining the club then you must have some clue about what the membership costs and rules of the club are. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 13, 2023 18:32:26 GMT
The Nazis did, yes. But the EU has never forced anyone to join their club. Fact is, the UK had to "beg" three times before it was accepted by the then EEC and then in the early 90s, a duly elected government signed us up for membership renewal and confirmation when it the EEC decided to become the EU. So, your argument is a non starter, really. The EEC was not the EU, and you may find that the EEC referendum had a lower turnout and based on the model of the time. After it morphed into the beast EU sceptism grew and grew, until the British people voted to leave it. As for how the EU behaves I only need look at its fanatics (EU spammers) who openly advocate ignoring democracy and to force us in through the backdoor organised from private meetings. The very thing the British people were opposed to is what you continue to advocate from a hyperactive position.
I doubt you're even British.
If you want to be really technical and pedantic about written treaties, texts, documents and documentations then, yeah, the EEC was not the EU. But in principle and in practice, the EU is simply an expanded EEC. The EEC aimed to foster economic integration; the EU, the same. Even the EU Single Market is an offshoot of the EEC Common Market, which of course, was the brainchild of the United Kingdom. Whether it's the back door or the front entrance, the only way we can officially and actually rejoin is by way of government legislation. And in a democratic set up like the UK and the EU; where there is government legislation; there is democracy. And according to the likes of you, even if the exercise in democracy is, in principle, counter democratic. Your problem with the EU's democratic credentials is that when it expanded, we could no longer impose our will the way we used to when it was just a handful of countries and Maggie could bludgeon them to submission with her bag. Had David Call Me Dave Cameron come back from his summit in 2015 with all our demands met to our satisfaction and advantage; would there have been a referendum? No. I don't think so, anyway. But I guess, the wordings “It is recognised that the United Kingdom ... is not committed to further political integration in the European Union ... References to ever-closer union do not apply to the United Kingdom.” were not enough for Leave Project Managers. It had to be a "declaration that the treaty motto of “ever closer union among the peoples of Europe” did not apply to the UK." Which of course "Call me Dave" failed to do. Remind me: What were the British people opposed to then and what are the British people opposed to now? |
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