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Post by oracle75 on Feb 20, 2023 22:57:02 GMT
Please quote anywhere in any of my posts which indicates I approved of her policies. Then we can discuss lies. In another thread. I care about staying on topic, as any moderator should. If Thatchers policies are not relevant to your argument why did you introduce them into the thread? They were relevant IT DOESNT MEAN I AGREE WITH THEM. It means they were fact. It was an objective statement without bias. If you can't understand the difference between fact and opinion I suggest you return to school. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 20, 2023 23:02:17 GMT
Of course you agree with them.
You support the Thatcherite single market, the free movement of people to undermine the powers of trade unions to withhold their labour and ask for better pay (striking), the break up of state monopolies, economic Darwinism, unfettered capitalism.
And that's OK so long as you are honest about it.
Thatcher had some good ideas, but she wasn't always right.
She made a big mistake in 1975. Redeemed herself in 1990.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 20, 2023 23:05:02 GMT
If Thatchers policies are not relevant to your argument why did you introduce them into the thread? They were relevant IT DOESNT MEAN I AGREE WITH THEM. It means they were fact. It was an objective statement without bias. If you can't understand the difference between fact and opinion I suggest you return to school. So you don't agree with them and I dont agree with them but you thought they were relevant to the discussion - OK.. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 20, 2023 23:59:06 GMT
Had you actually read Oracle's comments you would have known it was absurd for you to suggest they were advocating Thatcherism. Seems that because you were intellectually unable to counter his/her views you thought it clever to misrepresent them.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 21, 2023 7:17:34 GMT
Had you actually read Oracle's comments you would have known it was absurd for you to suggest they were advocating Thatcherism. Seems that because you were intellectually unable to counter his/her views you thought it clever to misrepresent them. It would be refreshing if P actually replied to the point of a post instead of looking for a tangential argument and swerving off topic. I find it amusing that after being identified as a "leftie" P thinks I support Thatcherism. My opinion of her BTW has nothing to do with the failings of Brexit. I suppose if as historical example I mentioned Julius Caesar, P would think I was in favour of conquering Egypt. A HISTORICAL MENTION DOES NOT INDICATE A PERSONAL OPINION. It is merely a historical reference. The mention of Thatcher was relevant to a discussion about the UK economy since she did more to change it than anyone else in living memory and it was a common reference most people with an IQ in double figures understands. In terms of importance she was to the British economy what Churchill was to WW2. You can't ignore her.AND THAT DOESNT MEAN I SUPPORT WHAT SHE DID. She was sim0ly central to economic planning. STOP LOOKING FOR ARGUMENTS. STOP MISREPRESENTING PARTICULAR COMMENTS IN POSTS ABOUT SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT. It is a diversionary cowardly adolescent way to play your game of "I WIN" . You don't win by changing the subject. or misrepresenting examples. Or turning a thread into a personal argument. And BTW what does my opinion of Thatcher matter anyway? I was living and working outside the UK at the time. Stop playing Inspector Gotcha, calm down, check the validity of your links, stay on topic and grow up. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2023 7:42:16 GMT
Well in my own defence - you believe that EU membership is the right course for the UK economy - Thatcher believed that EU membership was the right course for the UK economy.
But somehow you dont agree with Thatcher...
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 21, 2023 10:55:10 GMT
Well in my own defence - you believe that EU membership is the right course for the UK economy - Thatcher believed that EU membership was the right course for the UK economy. But somehow you dont agree with Thatcher... Over 16 million voting people thought EU membership was the best for British economy..and that was in 2016, not 1980 something. Brexit was not an issue for Thaatcher. My point, if we can return to it, was that she was instrumental in deciding the fundamental direction and priorities of the Uk's economy, which later on demanded that the UK kept up with other high tech, cutting edge production which would have attracted dfi. It was doing OK,working with teams of people freely exchanging information travelling easily, sourcing materials easily, all of which Brexit stopped. The plunge in dfi post Brexit is one reason why the UK is still growing at a slower rate than any other G7 country. And that is my last word on the subject, now we have come back to it. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 21, 2023 11:00:59 GMT
Well in my own defence - you believe that EU membership is the right course for the UK economy - Thatcher believed that EU membership was the right course for the UK economy. But somehow you dont agree with Thatcher... Over 16 million voting people thought EU membership was the best..and They were outvoted by over 17.4 million people who didn't think that EU membership was best for them. And I am proud to be one of the 17.41 million. I know full well EU membership wasn't best for me. I believe in democracy, something you Europhiles do not, as you tried to sabotage our vote as soon as we'd voted. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2023 12:10:06 GMT
Well in my own defence - you believe that EU membership is the right course for the UK economy - Thatcher believed that EU membership was the right course for the UK economy. But somehow you dont agree with Thatcher... Over 16 million voting people thought EU membership was the best for British economy..and that was in 2016, not 1980 something. Brexit was not an issue for Thaatcher. My point, if we can return to it, was that she was instrumental in deciding the fundamental direction and priorities of the Uk's economy, which later on demanded that the UK kept up with other high tech, cutting edge production which would have attracted dfi. It was doing OK,working with teams of people freely exchanging information travelling easily, sourcing materials easily, all of which Brexit stopped. The plunge in dfi post Brexit is one reason why the UK is still growing at a slower rate than any other G7 country. A majority disagreed. Welcome to democracy. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 21, 2023 16:13:03 GMT
Majorities used to think it was gods will to burn witches too.
The majority live very closeted lives and never think past their front gate.
Their experience of reality beyond the pub bar is so limited as to be gutter press fodder.
Their understanding and experience of anything beyond their own shores is almost non existent.
But if you are happy with struggling mediocrity, others are not.
And I am afraid you will have to live with that. As are those of a growing number who have just started to realise it.
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Post by Toreador on Feb 21, 2023 16:28:16 GMT
Majorities used to think it was gods will to burn witches too. The majority live very closeted lives and never think past their front gate. Their experience of reality beyond the pub bar is so limited as to be gutter press fodder. Their understanding and experience of anything beyond their own shores is almost non existent. But if you are happy with struggling mediocrity, others are not. And I am afraid you will have to live with that. As are those of a growing number who have just started to realise it. Very poor comparison with the rest that suggests your farts may not smell. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 21, 2023 18:08:10 GMT
Well in my own defence - you believe that EU membership is the right course for the UK economy - Thatcher believed that EU membership was the right course for the UK economy. But somehow you dont agree with Thatcher... That logic would say that because you have Alf Garnett as an avatar you support West Ham and call women 'silly old moos' |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 21, 2023 18:31:57 GMT
Majorities used to think it was gods will to burn witches too. The majority live very closeted lives and never think past their front gate. Their experience of reality beyond the pub bar is so limited as to be gutter press fodder. Their understanding and experience of anything beyond their own shores is almost non existent. But if you are happy with struggling mediocrity, others are not. And I am afraid you will have to live with that. As are those of a growing number who have just started to realise it. We had struggling mediocrity when in the EU - continually doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is for the mentally challenged. New thinking is required. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 21, 2023 18:35:18 GMT
Majorities used to think it was gods will to burn witches too. The majority live very closeted lives and never think past their front gate. Their experience of reality beyond the pub bar is so limited as to be gutter press fodder. Their understanding and experience of anything beyond their own shores is almost non existent. But if you are happy with struggling mediocrity, others are not. And I am afraid you will have to live with that. As are those of a growing number who have just started to realise it. We had struggling mediocrity when in the EU - continually doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is for the mentally challenged. New thinking is required. You appear to be espousing the leap from frying pan into fire school of utter bollocks Sensible people look before they leap |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 21, 2023 23:35:17 GMT
Majorities used to think it was gods will to burn witches too. The majority live very closeted lives and never think past their front gate. Their experience of reality beyond the pub bar is so limited as to be gutter press fodder. Their understanding and experience of anything beyond their own shores is almost non existent. But if you are happy with struggling mediocrity, others are not. And I am afraid you will have to live with that. As are those of a growing number who have just started to realise it. We had struggling mediocrity when in the EU - continually doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome is for the mentally challenged. New thinking is required. Everyone in the EU had the same opportunities. The UK wanted quick profits and sold off its better assets. But it had nothing to replace them with. UK investors put their money into non UK businesses and development so UK assets moved out to reduce costs and become more competitive ( ie Dyson). Boris' Brexit was and is some imaginary wonderland that cannot exist in reality. 40 new hospitals and some still in use are crumbling and leaking? The EU will fall apart when it follows the UK's lead? Immigration will be under control? The world will be queuing up to make luscious trade deals? Cheaper food, clothes and shoes? Lots of money going to the NHS, so much that nurses and now doctors are striking for pay and hitting a brick wall? I am still looking for that Brexit Bonus. And I still don't see it. What I do see is the Tory Brexiteer government doing nothing for anyone but themselves. Which was always the plan when they didn't have to conform to EU rules. The first thing power mad Boris did was prorogue Parliament in a fashion which would have caused a civil war and a possible beheading. Happily the UK Constitution prevented that. But the cronyism, old school tie exceptionalism which was unleashed under the "TAKE BACK CONTROL" pithy slogan was a sick joke. The only change of control was to allow those in the Tory elite to hide their money away and bend UK law to their own favour. Look at HS2...the great symbol of "levelling up"...now foreshortened to a truncated destruction of countryside costing hundreds of billions of pounds and rumour has it, may not even terminate in central London, let alone run past Birmingham. And I have to wonder to who and how all those construction contracts were awarded. It might be interesting to find out. So it is with the support of the taxpayer that I am pleased someone is discussing the utter disaster that is Boris' Brexit. And as much as the propaganda said the UK can change governments at will, the country seems desperate but unable to do so. Another 18 months of putrifying profiteering.and guess who is paying for it with the highest taxes in living memory? The ones "in control". What a sick joke. |
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