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Post by bancroft on Feb 14, 2023 19:18:40 GMT
Did you grow up on a council estate? No, I used to live 10 to 20 minutes walk away from two. One of which did turn bandit and has a bad reputation even today. It saw the accidental? shooting of one 11 year old boy in 2007. But no riots that I'm aware of. I have frequently walked in and driven through those areas over the years with no problem. Ditto with the Bullring, Toxteth and Garston all of which have a rough or roughish reputation. Fair enough yet do you know any still in the area to check the feeling on the ground? I was just looking at an Irish politics thread and some are mentioning the prospect of violence as Ireland continues to let in 'asylum' seekers without docs and then houses them when young Irish cannot get decent paying jobs to be able to afford their own places. I would not be surprised to see a 'UKIP type' movement start to gain momentum soon in Ireland. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 14, 2023 19:29:05 GMT
. .if Jonksy is so obsessed with his failures at that other place why doesn't he start a dedicated thread about it. Then I can reveal far more of the truth as i will take that as permission to reveal his record there.How interesting that Jonksy hasn't taken up this suggestion but is still rattling about his failures thereMust be that bit in bold You wouldn'y know the truth if you fell arse over tit on it........Some of have better thing to do than feed lying trolls like you. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 14, 2023 19:39:23 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 19:56:19 GMT
Well you do not always do a very good job of it with your highly biased mislabelling of political opponents to your left. And with your sycophantic hero worship of New Labour and utter inability to see and wrong in it as someone truly impartial could, citing the bad as well as the good. In short,, you are as biased towards your own political perspective as the rest of us. Your attempts to deny that fact are kidding no one. Your own inherent biases are plain to see. Well I did modify my original comment from left-wing extremist (Which is still my opinion of the hard left, not far-left as you chose to read it even though I explained myself to you.) to the "less moderate" Labour supporters. Which you cannot, in all honesty, deny. Now you post a lie about me inferring that I have "sycophantic hero worship of New Labour", I defend NL when people like yourself make false accusations against them. That's me being honest and people like yourself being dishonest, and revealing your absolute bias in the process. Clearly you are in no position to judge me. The fact that Pacifico likes your post shows just what a shit head he can be  So I am not far left, I am hard left and still an extremist? And you claim to be unbiased? Lol/ You have never ever said a bad word about New Labour either, nor ever acknowledged that anyone who did might occasionally have had a point. Even I can acknowledge mistakes made by the left, something you signally seem incapable of with New Labour. That makes you even more biased than me and too steeped in that bias to even recognise it as such. Your pretense at impartiality is actually laughable. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2023 19:58:10 GMT
You should be both left wing and right wing to avoid flying lop-sided. I'm neither so I fly perfectly.  Blair said "for the majority not the few" that covers two wings. I'm flying higher than you --- I think As high as a kite, I suspect. Lol |
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Post by see2 on Feb 15, 2023 15:34:38 GMT
No, I used to live 10 to 20 minutes walk away from two. One of which did turn bandit and has a bad reputation even today. It saw the accidental? shooting of one 11 year old boy in 2007. But no riots that I'm aware of. I have frequently walked in and driven through those areas over the years with no problem. Ditto with the Bullring, Toxteth and Garston all of which have a rough or roughish reputation. Fair enough yet do you know any still in the area to check the feeling on the ground? I was just looking at an Irish politics thread and some are mentioning the prospect of violence as Ireland continues to let in 'asylum' seekers without docs and then houses them when young Irish cannot get decent paying jobs to be able to afford their own places. I would not be surprised to see a 'UKIP type' movement start to gain momentum soon in Ireland. I still have family there so I do have a little flow of information but not enough to make a serious judgement. I left the Pool in 2008. The problem with migrant/asylum seekers is that European governments have to abide by the rules and laws they have signed up to. I don't like having to wait for governments to find an answer to asylum migration, but I do know riots are not the answer. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 15, 2023 15:50:41 GMT
Well I did modify my original comment from left-wing extremist (Which is still my opinion of the hard left, not far-left as you chose to read it even though I explained myself to you.) to the "less moderate" Labour supporters. Which you cannot, in all honesty, deny. Now you post a lie about me inferring that I have "sycophantic hero worship of New Labour", I defend NL when people like yourself make false accusations against them. That's me being honest and people like yourself being dishonest, and revealing your absolute bias in the process. Clearly you are in no position to judge me. The fact that Pacifico likes your post shows just what a shit head he can be So I am not far left, I am hard left and still an extremist? And you claim to be unbiased? Lol/ You have never ever said a bad word about New Labour either, nor ever acknowledged that anyone who did might occasionally have had a point. Even I can acknowledge mistakes made by the left, something you signally seem incapable of with New Labour. That makes you even more biased than me and too steeped in that bias to even recognise it as such. Your pretense at impartiality is actually laughable. YES, hard left and extremist as Thatcher was hard right and extremist. As I have previously explained. That you do not see yourself as hard left is because you see your as normal when you are only 'normal' as seen by yourself from your biased position. I don't doubt Thatcher thought she was normal too, as to did Genghis Khan. The overwhelming dishonest propaganda against NL (made for obvious reasons) has two affects on myself, one is in noting there is no reason for me to give any credibility to any of it, and the second is, that because of all the dishonest propaganda I am inclined to point out that dishonesty. If you were not one of those guilty of joining in on dishonestly attacking Blair there would be no need for me to explain this point. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 15, 2023 15:55:00 GMT
Blair said "for the majority not the few" that covers two wings. I'm flying higher than you --- I think As high as a kite, I suspect. Lol Back to your childhood, doesn't take much does it. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 15, 2023 16:04:17 GMT
The problem is not between 'liberal policies' and the voters, the problem is the Laws on Asylum, which in the minds of many including myself, is outdated. The problem is, what should/can be done about it. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 15, 2023 16:29:30 GMT
The problem is not between 'liberal policies' and the voters, the problem is the Laws on Asylum, which in the minds of many including myself, is outdated. The problem is, what should/can be done about it. The laws on asylum are based on UN directives. The UN is the biggest anasthetic on Earth. Wake it up and tell them their directives, which we subscribed to, were made when asylum seeking were almost confined to the odd dissident Russia and the victims of its oppression like Hungary, not exoduses from distant lands of different cultures. Change it or withold our contributions until it and its members see sense, the world can't go on like this. |
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Post by bancroft on Feb 15, 2023 18:23:44 GMT
The problem is not between 'liberal policies' and the voters, the problem is the Laws on Asylum, which in the minds of many including myself, is outdated. The problem is, what should/can be done about it. The laws on asylum are based on UN directives. The UN is the biggest anasthetic on Earth. Wake it up and tell them their directives, which we subscribed to, were made when asylum seeking were almost confined to the odd dissident Russia and the victims of its oppression like Hungary, not exoduses from distant lands of different cultures. Change it or withold our contributions until it and its members see sense, the world can't go on like this. Well it is interesting that what we see as the European Court of Human Rights is a UN resolution as no politician to my knowledge has officially stated that. The US is the biggest funder of the UN and guess what they are not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (to protect their servicemen) and we are. So if we get attacked for being outside the system we can always (if we dare) mention the UK is not on new territory in bucking the trend. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 15, 2023 18:25:39 GMT
No the ECtHR is not part of the UN
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Post by Toreador on Feb 15, 2023 18:50:27 GMT
The laws on asylum are based on UN directives. The UN is the biggest anasthetic on Earth. Wake it up and tell them their directives, which we subscribed to, were made when asylum seeking were almost confined to the odd dissident Russia and the victims of its oppression like Hungary, not exoduses from distant lands of different cultures. Change it or withold our contributions until it and its members see sense, the world can't go on like this. Well it is interesting that what we see as the European Court of Human Rights is a UN resolution as no politician to my knowledge has officially stated that. The US is the biggest funder of the UN and guess what they are not a signatory to the International Criminal Court (to protect their servicemen) and we are. So if we get attacked for being outside the system we can always (if we dare) mention the UK is not on new territory in bucking the trend. At the time of the attack on Iraq, the US owed millions to the UN. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 15, 2023 22:11:00 GMT
The problem is not between 'liberal policies' and the voters, the problem is the Laws on Asylum, which in the minds of many including myself, is outdated. The problem is, what should/can be done about it. The laws on asylum are based on UN directives. The UN is the biggest anasthetic on Earth. Wake it up and tell them their directives, which we subscribed to, were made when asylum seeking were almost confined to the odd dissident Russia and the victims of its oppression like Hungary, not exoduses from distant lands of different cultures. Change it or withold our contributions until it and its members see sense, the world can't go on like this. They are based upon a 1948 declaration, the UN clarified that declaration in 1951. Asylum dates back to ancient Egypt; "This right was recognized by the Ancient Egyptians, the Greeks, and the Hebrews, from whom it was adopted into Western tradition. René Descartes fled to the Netherlands, Voltaire to England, and Thomas Hobbes to France, because each state offered protection to persecuted foreigners." Not much help I know. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 15, 2023 23:24:31 GMT
The laws on asylum are based on UN directives. The UN is the biggest anasthetic on Earth. Wake it up and tell them their directives, which we subscribed to, were made when asylum seeking were almost confined to the odd dissident Russia and the victims of its oppression like Hungary, not exoduses from distant lands of different cultures. Change it or withold our contributions until it and its members see sense, the world can't go on like this. They are based upon a 1948 declaration, the UN clarified that declaration in 1951. Asylum dates back to ancient Egypt; "This right was recognized by the Ancient Egyptians, the Greeks, and the Hebrews, from whom it was adopted into Western tradition. René Descartes fled to the Netherlands, Voltaire to England, and Thomas Hobbes to France, because each state offered protection to persecuted foreigners." Not much help I know. Accordiing to the Bible Israelites became slaves to the Egyptians. However, there is no record of this in Egyptian history and neither did the Egyptians record the flight of Israelites. What it does record is the Hyksos being driven from Egypt and it's quite possible that if th Israelites joined them the story arose from that; it's also likely, even possible, that Moses was a Hyksos. |
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