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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 14:10:31 GMT
thomas ... "its funny though sid , a longtime labour supporter , calling the labour voting people of merseyside "bigots" . Its as if they have learned nothing in recent years" ................................................................. I have MOSTLY voted Labour, sometimes Lib Dem, and I was not refering to the people of Merseyside as been bigots, I was refering to posters her in this forum who jump to conclusions, make assumptions and make sweeping statements in order to further their prejudiced minds. As for Knowsley and the wider area surrounding Knowsley, its as rock solid Labour as you can possibly get, the safest Labour seats in the country. You see, Liverpool people know who they are, what they are, and they remember ... they remember such things as poverty and hardships, and how the Unions gave them decency, hope and a fighting chance. The people of Merseyside see no point in voting for a party of millionaires, corrupt business men, and dodgy business dealings, aristocrats and the new breed of oportunist populists of the Red Wall variety. The people of Merseyside wipe their arse s on The Sun newspaper, there are no Conservative MPs in or around Liverpool, they dont exist. i would get yourself a hold of this great book by paul embery , to catch yourself on to modern politics sid.
Despised: Why the Modern Left Loathes the Working Class
The typical contemporary Labour MP is almost certain to be a university-educated Europhile who is more comfortable in the leafy enclaves of north London than the party’s historic heartlands. As a result, Labour has become radically out of step with the culture and values of working-class Britain.
Drawing on his background as a firefighter and trade unionist from Dagenham, Paul Embery argues that this disconnect has been inevitable since the Left political establishment swallowed a poisonous brew of economic and social liberalism. They have come to despise traditional working-class values of patriotism, family and faith and instead embraced globalisation, rapid demographic change and a toxic, divisive brand of identity politics.
Your posts about nasty bigots etc on this thread epitomise the very disconnect embery talks about when writing about how the modern left despises the ordinary working class in areas like liverpool.
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Post by see2 on Feb 12, 2023 14:29:08 GMT
I have just read a piece in the Guardian by two Bloggers() who made the comment bellow,
"Brown helped set in motion the decline in his fortunes when he pledged to "create British jobs for British workers’. That comment is a distortion of what Brown said. (See Browns speech 2007 to the Labour conference. Guardian part 2). Brown's speech was almost entirely on UK education and improving it leading to the UK becoming a leader of the world in sciences etc. leading in turn to a UK that was capable of creating British jobs for British workers.
His comments were aimed at the UK and those working in the UK. i.e. British workers. No discrimination either made or intended.
The dishonest misleading insinuated comment made by the bloggers means that their longish article is unreliable.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 14:52:20 GMT
No other forums want the wanker and that includes to one he has ground into the dust by his biased attempts of moderating As said, had I been the owner you would have been perma banned ages ago. Well, while we are having an off topic moment, that certainly was not the reason I stopped posting. The reason I stopped posting was SteveK's control freakery, deleting posts he didn't agree with, ruining the idea of any proper debate. He even abused and bullied his fellow moderator openly on the forum. It was pointless taking the time to research and try and add to any debate to have posts deleted. So please don't blame Jonksy for the reduction in posts on that forum, because you are just using him as a scapegoat. Back on topic, SteveK does tend to decry all use of violence, so why he has to specifically condemn every single use of violent or threatening behaviour escapes me. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 14:52:37 GMT
I have just read a piece in the Guardian by two Bloggers() who made the comment bellow, "Brown helped set in motion the decline in his fortunes when he pledged to "create British jobs for British workers’. That comment is a distortion of what Brown said. (See Browns speech 2007 to the Labour conference. Guardian part 2). Brown's speech was almost entirely on UK education and improving it leading to the UK becoming a leader of the world in sciences etc. leading in turn to a UK that was capable of creating British jobs for British workers. His comments were aimed at the UK and those working in the UK. i.e. British workers. No discrimination either made or intended. The dishonest misleading insinuated comment made by the bloggers means that their longish article is unreliable. still trying to re write history in labours favour see 2? I mean you are like a wee boy on the beach , given a bucket and spade and told to build a wall to hold back the tide.
Gordon browns infamous tangling with gillian duffy and the infamous british jobs for british workers was yet another half hearted attempt by new labour at the time to jump on the bandwagon and discriminate against white european immigrants that labour had at first set in motion when they swamped the uk with eastern europeans back in 2004 . They caused the problem in the first place , then tried to ride the wave of public dissent and anger against immigration when it started to boil over.
Brown is a figure of complete ridicule who writes such arrant nonsense im surprised you would bring his name into any thread. An absolute disaster of a chancellor and prime minister .
The anti immigrant line was something labour would try and carry on half heartedly under millibands leadership , as they tried to win back angry voters who had defected to parties like ukip especially in red wall areas. Of course , very few people take the labour party serious on immigration hence the abject failure to spin their position in various elections.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2023 14:55:58 GMT
Now about these corrupt charities championed by neo Liberals and the big business of people trafficking which has been overseen by a corrupt political establishment, which it seems most countries in Europe are suffering over. Care4Calais will spend all their money trying to install their "no borders" policy, then when we are inundated with people we cannot afford to support, there will be not a sign of them. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 12, 2023 15:02:44 GMT
Shame that Fairsociety missed this post . . . But for thugs that want to get their way through intimidation or direct violence, send them down a disused coal mine That would clearly apply to those who gather outside schools to intimidate. FWIW I am unaware of a thread here discussing the incident he has now identified No Steve, we can see your feeble attempt to defend the indefensible, and you know full well if those protesters were right wing 'white' protesters wearing military uniforms and a Kevlar vest (which is illegal unless you have permission) outside a 'school' of all places, intimidating innocent frightened children and their parents, the plod would have cuffed them and chucked them in to the back of the meat wagon, but the lefties get away with it. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 12, 2023 15:26:20 GMT
Shame that Fairsociety missed this postThat would clearly apply to those who gather outside schools to intimidate. FWIW I am unaware of a thread here discussing the incident he has now identified No Steve, we can see your feeble attempt to defend the indefensible, and you know full well if those protesters were right wing 'white' protesters wearing military uniforms and a Kevlar vest (which is illegal unless you have permission) outside a 'school' of all places, intimidating innocent frightened children and their parents, the plod would have cuffed them and chucked them in to the back of the meat wagon, but the lefties get away with it. It was the same with the BLM protests mate....Why would many of these so called peacefull protesters feel need the need to wear Combat tactical gloves....
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 12, 2023 15:33:53 GMT
No Steve, we can see your feeble attempt to defend the indefensible, and you know full well if those protesters were right wing 'white' protesters wearing military uniforms and a Kevlar vest (which is illegal unless you have permission) outside a 'school' of all places, intimidating innocent frightened children and their parents, the plod would have cuffed them and chucked them in to the back of the meat wagon, but the lefties get away with it. It was the same with the BLM protests mate....Why would many of these so called peacefull protesters feel need the need to wear Combat tactical gloves.... If that mob would have turned out wearing combat gear at my kids school I'd have gone off my rocker, intimidating innocent frightened children and parents, many children around the country get bullied every day in school, and we know it shouldn't happen, but we can't have vigilante parents turning up outside the schools threatening them.
That is left to the police and the school to deal with, the parents of the children at that school need to demand that the next time this military mob turn up again at the school, they are either arrested for intimidation or swiftly moved on.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 12, 2023 15:40:13 GMT
It was the same with the BLM protests mate....Why would many of these so called peacefull protesters feel need the need to wear Combat tactical gloves.... If that mob would have turned out wearing combat gear at my kids school I'd have gone off my rocker, intimidating innocent frightened children and parents, many children around the country get bullied every day in school, and we know it shouldn't happen, but we can't have vigilante parents turning up outside the schools threatening them.
That is left to the police and the school to deal with, the parents of the children at that school need to demand that the next time this military mob turn up again at the school, they are either arrested for intimidation or swiftly moved on.
Who would turn up to a protest dressed in para military clobber not the victims that is for sure.. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 12, 2023 15:50:46 GMT
If that mob would have turned out wearing combat gear at my kids school I'd have gone off my rocker, intimidating innocent frightened children and parents, many children around the country get bullied every day in school, and we know it shouldn't happen, but we can't have vigilante parents turning up outside the schools threatening them.
That is left to the police and the school to deal with, the parents of the children at that school need to demand that the next time this military mob turn up again at the school, they are either arrested for intimidation or swiftly moved on.
Who would turn up to a protest dressed in para military clobber not the victims that is for sure.. They don't realise that any sympathy for them went right out the window when they turned up at a children's school like a bunch of mercenaries ready for all out combat, no one remembers what they were there for a 'black school girl bullied', all we can remember is a bunch of military clad mob ready for action. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2023 15:51:08 GMT
thomas ... "its funny though sid , a longtime labour supporter , calling the labour voting people of merseyside "bigots" . Its as if they have learned nothing in recent years" ................................................................. I have MOSTLY voted Labour, sometimes Lib Dem, and I was not refering to the people of Merseyside as been bigots, I was refering to posters her in this forum who jump to conclusions, make assumptions and make sweeping statements in order to further their prejudiced minds. As for Knowsley and the wider area surrounding Knowsley, its as rock solid Labour as you can possibly get, the safest Labour seats in the country. You see, Liverpool people know who they are, what they are, and they remember ... they remember such things as poverty and hardships, and how the Unions gave them decency, hope and a fighting chance. The people of Merseyside see no point in voting for a party of millionaires, corrupt business men, and dodgy business dealings, aristocrats and the new breed of oportunist populists of the Red Wall variety. The people of Merseyside wipe their arse s on The Sun newspaper, there are no Conservative MPs in or around Liverpool, they dont exist. The people of Merseyside come out in their hundreds to protest about asylum seekers being housed in their community - good Labour folk one and all..  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 12, 2023 15:57:03 GMT
thomas ... "its funny though sid , a longtime labour supporter , calling the labour voting people of merseyside "bigots" . Its as if they have learned nothing in recent years" ................................................................. I have MOSTLY voted Labour, sometimes Lib Dem, and I was not refering to the people of Merseyside as been bigots, I was refering to posters her in this forum who jump to conclusions, make assumptions and make sweeping statements in order to further their prejudiced minds. As for Knowsley and the wider area surrounding Knowsley, its as rock solid Labour as you can possibly get, the safest Labour seats in the country. You see, Liverpool people know who they are, what they are, and they remember ... they remember such things as poverty and hardships, and how the Unions gave them decency, hope and a fighting chance. The people of Merseyside see no point in voting for a party of millionaires, corrupt business men, and dodgy business dealings, aristocrats and the new breed of oportunist populists of the Red Wall variety. The people of Merseyside wipe their arse s on The Sun newspaper, there are no Conservative MPs in or around Liverpool, they dont exist. The people of Merseyside come out in their hundreds to protest about asylum seekers being housed in their community - good Labour folk one and all.. The lefties are going to struggle to blame the right-wing for anti-migrant protests in a City that is a lefty Labour run Council, this is what happens when Labour play politics on serious issues effecting both left-right wing citizens.
Labour can't win, because they can't condemn the Tories for housing these migrants in hotels or that will make them look like they are anti-migrants.
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Post by Steve on Feb 12, 2023 16:53:24 GMT
Shame that Fairsociety missed this postThat would clearly apply to those who gather outside schools to intimidate. FWIW I am unaware of a thread here discussing the incident he has now identified No Steve, we can see your feeble attempt to defend the indefensible, and you know full well if those protesters were right wing 'white' protesters wearing military uniforms and a Kevlar vest (which is illegal unless you have permission) outside a 'school' of all places, intimidating innocent frightened children and their parents, the plod would have cuffed them and chucked them in to the back of the meat wagon, but the lefties get away with it. Well here's a challenge. Please show us where you condemned them. FWIW I wasn't even aware of the 'Rambo' incident you go on and on and on and on about, I knew of the attack on the girl and maybe while you're at it you could show where you condemned that. I very much do. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 12, 2023 16:57:15 GMT
. . . Remind me where you have condemned and posted about military dressed adults outside a school intimidating children. If I have missed it, I will apologise, but until then I have made no false claims against you.
Good job I didn't hold my breath waiting for that promised apology even though I've shown I do condemn all adults intimidating children How you have the bleeding nerve to call yourself Fairsociety is one of those big unexplained mysteries of life |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 12, 2023 17:06:15 GMT
It was the same with the BLM protests mate....Why would many of these so called peacefull protesters feel need the need to wear Combat tactical gloves.... If that mob would have turned out wearing combat gear at my kids school I'd have gone off my rocker, intimidating innocent frightened children and parents, many children around the country get bullied every day in school, and we know it shouldn't happen, but we can't have vigilante parents turning up outside the schools threatening them.
That is left to the police and the school to deal with, the parents of the children at that school need to demand that the next time this military mob turn up again at the school, they are either arrested for intimidation or swiftly moved on.
No Steve, we can see your feeble attempt to defend the indefensible, and you know full well if those protesters were right wing 'white' protesters wearing military uniforms and a Kevlar vest (which is illegal unless you have permission) outside a 'school' of all places, intimidating innocent frightened children and their parents, the plod would have cuffed them and chucked them in to the back of the meat wagon, but the lefties get away with it. Well here's a challenge. Please show us where you condemned them. FWIW I wasn't even aware of the 'Rambo' incident you go on and on and on and on about, I knew of the attack on the girl and maybe while you're at it you could show where you condemned that. I very much do. Wrong, I have condemned the ones who bullied the black girl^^
The images are there for everyone to see of these Rambo wannabe mob, outside a children's school, intimidating them. Despicable.
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