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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 9, 2023 10:55:43 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64580487The new deputy leader if the tory party wants to see the death penalty back on the statute books. And none of the bullshit like the states with years on death row. I’d join the party tomorrow if it wasn't for one tiny problem One of Blairs first acts in 1999 was to remove it as a punishment for treason and espionage One of his last abuses of prime ministerial prerogative was to sign the country up to a council of Europe protocol putting the punishment beyond use. This dissembling shithead knows this and knows we would need to become a pariah state by withdrawing from the Council of Europe to bring back hanging.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2023 11:17:04 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64580487The new deputy leader if the tory party wants to see the death penalty back on the statute books. And none of the bullshit like the states with years on death row. I’d join the party tomorrow if it wasn't for one tiny problem One of Blairs first acts in 1999 was to remove it as a punishment for treason and espionage One of his last abuses of prime ministerial prerogative was to sign the country up to a council of Europe protocol putting the punishment beyond use. This dissembling shithead knows this and knows we would need to become a pariah state by withdrawing from the Council of Europe to bring back hanging. The Belfast agreement was a similar tripwire, JoG. As for bringing back the death penalty, not a cat's chance in hell. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 9, 2023 11:43:58 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64580487The new deputy leader if the tory party wants to see the death penalty back on the statute books. And none of the bullshit like the states with years on death row. I’d join the party tomorrow if it wasn't for one tiny problem One of Blairs first acts in 1999 was to remove it as a punishment for treason and espionage One of his last abuses of prime ministerial prerogative was to sign the country up to a council of Europe protocol putting the punishment beyond use. This dissembling shithead knows this and knows we would need to become a pariah state by withdrawing from the Council of Europe to bring back hanging. Oh the irony. If you want the epitome of a 'dissembling shithead' look no further than 30p Lee Anderson that new deputy chair you seemingly so love. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 9, 2023 11:47:45 GMT
The point i make is not that the issue is where it is, it is the way it was put there.
I wonder what would have occurred if there had been a referendum on the subject instead of Blair doing what he did
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Post by Steve on Feb 9, 2023 12:22:39 GMT
The point i make is not that the issue is where it is, it is the way it was put there. I wonder what would have occurred if there had been a referendum on the subject instead of Blair doing what he did Invalid moan^ Blair did on that what he promised to do in his 1997 manifesto www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1997/1997-labour-manifesto.shtml |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 9, 2023 13:54:14 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64580487The new deputy leader if the tory party wants to see the death penalty back on the statute books. And none of the bullshit like the states with years on death row. I’d join the party tomorrow if it wasn't for one tiny problem One of Blairs first acts in 1999 was to remove it as a punishment for treason and espionage One of his last abuses of prime ministerial prerogative was to sign the country up to a council of Europe protocol putting the punishment beyond use. This dissembling shithead knows this and knows we would need to become a pariah state by withdrawing from the Council of Europe to bring back hanging. Yes he said he would like to see the return of the death penalty, he also said he knows it would never happen. He wasn't speaking in any official capacity, he was giving an opinion, an opinion that many people in this country support. In April 2021 a poll found that 54% of Britons said they would support reinstating the death penalty for those convicted of terrorism in the UK, just 23% of respondents said they would be opposed to it. There seems little doubt that Islamic terrorism in recent years has changed peoples minds over the death penalty. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 9, 2023 14:39:40 GMT
The point i make is not that the issue is where it is, it is the way it was put there. I wonder what would have occurred if there had been a referendum on the subject instead of Blair doing what he did Invalid moan^ Blair did on that what he promised to do in his 1997 manifesto www.labour-party.org.uk/manifestos/1997/1997-labour-manifesto.shtml Not an invalid moan. No more invalid than all those fucking remoaners demanding anither go Blair initiated the process of killing off this punishment fir good about a year before the tavistock place bus bomb and tube bombings As i said, it would have been good to see what the public thought on the 8th July 2005 … |
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Post by Steve on Feb 9, 2023 15:14:41 GMT
Not an invalid moan. No more invalid than all those fucking remoaners demanding anither go Blair initiated the process of killing off this punishment fir good about a year before the tavistock place bus bomb and tube bombings As i said, it would have been good to see what the public thought on the 8th July 2005 … BS ^ 1983 Thatcher's government agrees with the rest of the Council of Europe to add Protocol 6 to the ECn HR. It couldn't be less ambiguous 'The death penalty shall be abolished. No one shall be condemned to such penalty or executed.'
1997 Blair successfully campaigns to become Prime Minister with this in the manifesto: 'We will by statute incorporate the European Convention on Human Rights into UK law'
Now stop moaning it was somehow undemocratic for him to honour that promise to the electorate, you're plain wrong. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 9, 2023 17:28:31 GMT
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64580487The new deputy leader if the tory party wants to see the death penalty back on the statute books. And none of the bullshit like the states with years on death row. I’d join the party tomorrow if it wasn't for one tiny problem One of Blairs first acts in 1999 was to remove it as a punishment for treason and espionage One of his last abuses of prime ministerial prerogative was to sign the country up to a council of Europe protocol putting the punishment beyond use. This dissembling shithead knows this and knows we would need to become a pariah state by withdrawing from the Council of Europe to bring back hanging. Yes he said he would like to see the return of the death penalty, he also said he knows it would never happen. He wasn't speaking in any official capacity, he was giving an opinion, an opinion that many people in this country support. In April 2021 a poll found that 54% of Britons said they would support reinstating the death penalty for those convicted of terrorism in the UK, just 23% of respondents said they would be opposed to it. There seems little doubt that Islamic terrorism in recent years has changed peoples minds over the death penalty. Isn’t the guy is a former Labour councillor? If so would JoG’s execution for treachery be called for? He was caught bang to rights setting up an impromptu interview with a supposed stranger who was going to switch sides in 2019. Frankly, the more he spouts off, th more comfortable Starmer must feel — it’s almost like he’s a plant put in to sabotage the Tories further… www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/general-election-latest-tory-fake-swing-voter-boris-johnson-crick-ashfield-lee-anderson-a9216986.htmlThen there’s….: www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1732870/lee-anderson-BBC-Radio-Nottingham-Verity-Cowley |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 10, 2023 7:41:24 GMT
I think it's worth reminding people that when the death penalty was abolished [For most crimes] in 1969 the government said for anyone convicted of what was a capital crime, life in prison would mean life. Ha. In England and Wales the average 'life' sentence is 15 years.
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Post by Handyman on Feb 10, 2023 8:51:45 GMT
I think it's worth reminding people that when the death penalty was abolished [For most crimes] in 1969 the government said for anyone convicted of what was a capital crime, life in prison would mean life. Ha. In England and Wales the average 'life' sentence is 15 years. Indeed as far back as then, in 1998 the Death Penalty for Treason was also abolished. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2023 10:23:16 GMT
I think it's worth reminding people that when the death penalty was abolished [For most crimes] in 1969 the government said for anyone convicted of what was a capital crime, life in prison would mean life. Ha. In England and Wales the average 'life' sentence is 15 years. Are you sure about that? Last time I looked it was about 11 years served, which is despicable. But, I get your point, life should mean life. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 10, 2023 10:24:33 GMT
I think it's worth reminding people that when the death penalty was abolished [For most crimes] in 1969 the government said for anyone convicted of what was a capital crime, life in prison would mean life. Ha. In England and Wales the average 'life' sentence is 15 years. Link please |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 10, 2023 10:33:14 GMT
I think it's worth reminding people that when the death penalty was abolished [For most crimes] in 1969 the government said for anyone convicted of what was a capital crime, life in prison would mean life. Ha. In England and Wales the average 'life' sentence is 15 years. Are you sure about that? Last time I looked it was about 11 years served, which is despicable. But, I get your point, life should mean life. Indeed it should, this is why people have no faith in the justice system. They hear a judge tell a murderer he is going to prison for life, with a proviso he should serve a minimum of however many years before being considered for parole. Well I'm afraid that is not life, so why the hell go through this pretence of handing down a life sentence. It's bollox. From what I read earlier, as at 2018, the average life sentence was 15 years, the point being, it's a joke. In the 1960's the great train robbers got 30 years for stealing money. Today a murderer is likely to get 15 years, or less. Anyone who says we havent gone soft on crime, and there are one or two on this forum, don't know what they're talking about. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 10, 2023 10:35:28 GMT
I think it's worth reminding people that when the death penalty was abolished [For most crimes] in 1969 the government said for anyone convicted of what was a capital crime, life in prison would mean life. Ha. In England and Wales the average 'life' sentence is 15 years. Link please Anne Widdecombe on Talk TV ½ hour ago. |
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