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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2023 21:31:52 GMT
This is discussion about energy policy, so I accept feelings are going to run very high indeed, but that was just on the line if not a crack over it. Zany, please stop boasting about the size of your business..and also stop with the 'fuck you' type stuff. Cheers Boasting? No just telling the truth to a bloke you has for the fifteenth time boasted that he went to Grammar school and I didn't. A truth I don't normally boast about.  I agree about the F you stuff. That's just not like me, I normally leave that to the cheap seats. Hence forth I shall go back to my old policy of totally ignoring Sally. I think that's best as he doesn't add anything to the conversation anyway. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 14, 2023 8:31:46 GMT
Of course I can read, I went to grammar school, you didn't. You clearly can't. You owned a two man little unit selling insulation. I own a multi million pound business employing 112 people currently. Go fuck yourself little man. But then clearly what you are trying to sell everyone they aren't buying it. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 14, 2023 9:30:55 GMT
This is discussion about energy policy, so I accept feelings are going to run very high indeed, but that was just on the line if not a crack over it. Zany, please stop boasting about the size of your business..and also stop with the 'fuck you' type stuff. Cheers Boasting? No just telling the truth to a bloke you has for the fifteenth time boasted that he went to Grammar school and I didn't. A truth I don't normally boast about. I agree about the F you stuff. That's just not like me, I normally leave that to the cheap seats. Hence forth I shall go back to my old policy of totally ignoring Sally. I think that's best as he doesn't add anything to the conversation anyway. Or you could do your well worn party trick of flouncing. Go through this thread and plenty of other threads in which you have chosen to post and where you have been trashed and thrashed. Put me on ignore but there will be times when a post of mine is quoted, make sure you have your hankie handy.  |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 15, 2023 15:58:32 GMT
Another point I would like answered, before everyone slinks off, net zero will produce more employment? it seems Ford think otherwise as they gear up for electric vehicles.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 15, 2023 16:22:34 GMT
Another point I would like answered, before everyone slinks off, net zero will produce more employment? it seems Ford think otherwise as they gear up for electric vehicles. Well that is the claim - but the reality is that the only extra employment it will produce is for the citizens of China - for developed countries in the West is is a jobs disaster. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 15, 2023 17:36:56 GMT
Another point I would like answered, before everyone slinks off, net zero will produce more employment? it seems Ford think otherwise as they gear up for electric vehicles. Well that is the claim - but the reality is that the only extra employment it will produce is for the citizens of China - for developed countries in the West is is a jobs disaster. Well if the West pulled their fingers out of their arses and started getting behind the manufacturing of renewable energy instead of letting China produce all the solar panels and wind turbines it might be different. We can't even get it together to produce batteries for EVs in this country. To busy making excuses for not taking climate change seriously.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 15, 2023 18:06:50 GMT
Well that is the claim - but the reality is that the only extra employment it will produce is for the citizens of China - for developed countries in the West is is a jobs disaster. Well if the West pulled their fingers out of their arses and started getting behind the manufacturing of renewable energy instead of letting China produce all the solar panels and wind turbines it might be different. We can't even get it together to produce batteries for EVs in this country. To busy making excuses for not taking climate change seriously. Manufacturing in Europe is a dead duck simply due to the exhorbitant cost of energy - and that is a political decision. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2023 18:07:58 GMT
Well that is the claim - but the reality is that the only extra employment it will produce is for the citizens of China - for developed countries in the West is is a jobs disaster. Well if the West pulled their fingers out of their arses and started getting behind the manufacturing of renewable energy instead of letting China produce all the solar panels and wind turbines it might be different. We can't even get it together to produce batteries for EVs in this country. To busy making excuses for not taking climate change seriously. You mean, do what China does - not hobble ourselves with environmental regulation and build / sell trinkets of environmentalism to economies that are hobbling themselves? umm |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 15, 2023 19:58:25 GMT
Well if the West pulled their fingers out of their arses and started getting behind the manufacturing of renewable energy instead of letting China produce all the solar panels and wind turbines it might be different. We can't even get it together to produce batteries for EVs in this country. To busy making excuses for not taking climate change seriously. You mean, do what China does - not hobble ourselves with environmental regulation and build / sell trinkets of environmentalism to economies that are hobbling themselves? umm China has the most power generated by solar than anyone on the planet. They also have the most wind and the most hydroelectric. Our power is so expensive because Maggie decided to sell everything off cheap to her hubby's banking buddies. We pay more to make rich people richer. Besides, solar energy is the cheapest out there. Especially now gas is so bloody expensive. We also have a lot of nuclear energy which is the most expensive out there. China has a lot of the same environmental regulations that we have but their government is not run by and for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry. We don't even get the benefits of cheap solar energy because the price is set by the most expensive form of energy production and all the others are allowed to charge the same rate. So it's not the Greens pricing us out of competitive manufacturing costs it's greedy fucking energy producers and their shareholders. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2023 20:12:25 GMT
Another point I would like answered, before everyone slinks off, net zero will produce more employment? it seems Ford think otherwise as they gear up for electric vehicles. Can you say who you are quoting? I assume they are referring to the UK supplying the technology associated wit renewable energy, though without more detail its hard to say. Its interesting that Ford are saying many of the redundancies are due to the fact that electric cars are simpler to build. So is it good news that the manufacture of electric cars must be greener? Anyway progress always has some pain. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2023 20:14:38 GMT
You mean, do what China does - not hobble ourselves with environmental regulation and build / sell trinkets of environmentalism to economies that are hobbling themselves? umm China has the most power generated by solar than anyone on the planet. They also have the most wind and the most hydroelectric. Talk about sliding off the point. China is quite famously pretty oblivious to the notion of environmental regulation and is producing a huge amount of Co2. So, your advice here is to copy China's regulatory framework to the UK so we can start competitive industries in 'green technologies'? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 15, 2023 20:15:56 GMT
You mean, do what China does - not hobble ourselves with environmental regulation and build / sell trinkets of environmentalism to economies that are hobbling themselves? umm China has the most power generated by solar than anyone on the planet. They also have the most wind and the most hydroelectric. Our power is so expensive because Maggie decided to sell everything off cheap to her hubby's banking buddies. We pay more to make rich people richer. Besides, solar energy is the cheapest out there. Especially now gas is so bloody expensive. We also have a lot of nuclear energy which is the most expensive out there. China has a lot of the same environmental regulations that we have but their government is not run by and for the benefit of the fossil fuel industry. We don't even get the benefits of cheap solar energy because the price is set by the most expensive form of energy production and all the others are allowed to charge the same rate. So it's not the Greens pricing us out of competitive manufacturing costs it's greedy fucking energy producers and their shareholders. Absolutely spot on. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2023 20:22:55 GMT
It was pretty typical left mush - he even managed to mention 'Thatch'
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 15, 2023 20:38:40 GMT
China has the most power generated by solar than anyone on the planet. They also have the most wind and the most hydroelectric. Talk about sliding off the point. China is quite famously pretty oblivious to the notion of environmental regulation and is producing a huge amount of Co2. So, your advice here is to copy China's regulatory framework to the UK so we can start competitive industries in 'green technologies' That may have been true 20 years ago but it's simply not true now. Per unit of production they are cleaner than us and just about everyone else. It's just that you need your bogeyman to make yourself feel better about not doing enough. China is your scapegoat. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 15, 2023 20:55:06 GMT
China's annual emissions today are about double those of the US, according to UN data (from the BBC). The USA has a GDP of ~ 23 trillion and the China has GDP of ~ 18 trillion
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