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Post by Pacifico on Feb 12, 2023 22:23:17 GMT
Energy prices are artificially high due to all the green subsidies - with regards to gas, if we used our own then it would be much cheaper than importing from overseas. But unfortunately the green lobby think its more environmentally friendly to import energy rather than use our own.. Erm no, we export it when it is cheap because we have no storage and buy it back in the winter when commodity brokers are making a killing. So in actual fact it is our gas in the first place. Except we would have missed out the middle man by storing it. So that either that makes those in charge crooks or not very bright. I agree that our politicians are not very bright because we import more than we produce due to their ridiculous Net Zero nonsense. If we allowed UK producers to actually produce, consumer prices would come down. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 12, 2023 22:23:46 GMT
It's like arguing that my neighbour beats his wife every day so it's alright for me to beat mine once a month. All it's really about is finding excuses not to change their lifestyles. I changed mine when I saw this coming from a country mile away, I fitted a DEFRA approved log burner and saved a fortune as well as stopping my direct debits so energy company's couldn't add me to the billions they are holding of others money. While of course fitting everyone up with a pay as you go meter so you pay more in the long run, I also have a stand by camper completely off grid. You may be out of luck, the government are considering legislation to stop log burners being the primary source of heating because of the explosion in their sales and the consequent pollution. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 12, 2023 23:37:36 GMT
It's like arguing that my neighbour beats his wife every day so it's alright for me to beat mine once a month. All it's really about is finding excuses not to change their lifestyles.
Give up the weed then, Monte.
Have you seen how much leccy they use to grow that shit? And they usually bypass the meter so they (you) aren't paying. Don't smoke it. No Albanian gets a penny off me. If I smoke anything these days (which is rare) it's hashish from plants grown under the sun as Gaia intended. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 12, 2023 23:39:05 GMT
It's like arguing that my neighbour beats his wife every day so it's alright for me to beat mine once a month. All it's really about is finding excuses not to change their lifestyles. I changed mine when I saw this coming from a country mile away, I fitted a DEFRA approved log burner and saved a fortune as well as stopping my direct debits so energy company's couldn't add me to the billions they are holding of others money. While of course fitting everyone up with a pay as you go meter so you pay more in the long run, I also have a stand by camper completely off grid. I've been off grid for over 30 years. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2023 7:25:41 GMT
Oh I see. No data or calcs, just your opinion and some rubbish about the climate model. Data... Calcs.... Why, they're already in the public domain. Are wanting one of those threads where people just carpet bomb them with graphs and views of other people's models?
Yes they are and they confirm global warming, but there's already a done to death thread on here if you want to discuss that. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 13, 2023 7:39:13 GMT
I changed mine when I saw this coming from a country mile away, I fitted a DEFRA approved log burner and saved a fortune as well as stopping my direct debits so energy company's couldn't add me to the billions they are holding of others money. While of course fitting everyone up with a pay as you go meter so you pay more in the long run, I also have a stand by camper completely off grid. You may be out of luck, the government are considering legislation to stop log burners being the primary source of heating because of the explosion in their sales and the consequent pollution. But then if you have read what I said I have another a fall back plan. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2023 7:42:38 GMT
You may be out of luck, the government are considering legislation to stop log burners being the primary source of heating because of the explosion in their sales and the consequent pollution. But then if you have read what I said I have another a fall back plan. Oh yes. Moving into your camper van. Apologies. I was merely letting you know about the plan to ban wood burners. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 13, 2023 7:49:10 GMT
But then if you have read what I said I have another a fall back plan. Oh yes. Moving into your camper van. Apologies. I was merely letting you know about the plan to ban wood burners. Well no they are saying they should be approved modern ones and not in smokeless zones, but of course that might yet change when they realise a lot of people have been put ahead of them and their shameful policies disguised as net zero. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 13, 2023 7:50:41 GMT
Data... Calcs.... Why, they're already in the public domain. Are wanting one of those threads where people just carpet bomb them with graphs and views of other people's models?
Yes they are and they confirm global warming, but there's already a done to death thread on here if you want to discuss that. any forecast on when its actually going to arrive - i could do with a warmer climate. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2023 8:03:43 GMT
Oh yes. Moving into your camper van. Apologies. I was merely letting you know about the plan to ban wood burners. Well no they are saying they should be approved modern ones and not in smokeless zones, but of course that might yet change when they realise a lot of people have been put ahead of them and their shameful policies disguised as net zero. Not sure if wood burning has any effect on net zero? When you grow a tree and then burn it I think that's neutral. So its more a case (as you imply) of local pollution. What do you think they are really trying to achieve with the policies disguised as net zero? |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 13, 2023 8:10:49 GMT
Well no they are saying they should be approved modern ones and not in smokeless zones, but of course that might yet change when they realise a lot of people have been put ahead of them and their shameful policies disguised as net zero. Not sure if wood burning has any effect on net zero? When you grow a tree and then burn it I think that's neutral. So its more a case (as you imply) of local pollution. What do you think they are really trying to achieve with the policies disguised as net zero? Well that would be tell everyone a bunch of lies and roll in the profits, but then they have already done that and nobody said a word because its fine its net zero. Of course there will be suffering but again nobody said net zero would come without suffering. On the bright side though I somehow doubt they are suffering much. Its peoples fault they should change their ways, oh the irony. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 13, 2023 8:16:48 GMT
Yes they are and they confirm global warming, but there's already a done to death thread on here if you want to discuss that. any forecast on when its actually going to arrive - i could do with a warmer climate. Some Africans and those in the Middle East prefer our cold climate, it's why they don't stay in Italy or the South of France.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 13, 2023 8:44:55 GMT
any forecast on when its actually going to arrive - i could do with a warmer climate. Some Africans and those in the Middle East prefer our cold climate, it's why they don't stay in Italy or the South of France. Good one...  |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2023 17:56:47 GMT
Not sure if wood burning has any effect on net zero? When you grow a tree and then burn it I think that's neutral. So its more a case (as you imply) of local pollution. What do you think they are really trying to achieve with the policies disguised as net zero? Well that would be tell everyone a bunch of lies and roll in the profits, but then they have already done that and nobody said a word because its fine its net zero. Of course there will be suffering but again nobody said net zero would come without suffering. On the bright side though I somehow doubt they are suffering much. Its peoples fault they should change their ways, oh the irony. Ah. So you think global warming isn't real and there's a giant governmental and science institute conspiracy to take money off us. Ok. How do you think they got China to agree to telling the lie? |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 13, 2023 17:59:40 GMT
Yes they are and they confirm global warming, but there's already a done to death thread on here if you want to discuss that. Hi, the issue for me isn't "global warming" as such. The climate warms and cools on a regular basis the issue for me are the claims made regarding the levels of warming certain organisations are attributing to human actions against the backdrop of the planets natural variability. Also, the methodology, data and variables within the climate models that are used in order to achieve the levels of mathematical and statistical manipulation which are required to make these assertions visually "real". The other issue I have; the main one really is that the narrative states (by default) that climate is governed solely by a greenhouse effect model and that adding to or removing CO2 is the main driver behind planetary climate when it patently isn't. There are so many other dynamics in place all interacting with climate systems. There are so many variables that affect climate and affect the energy transfer mechanisms and systems that exist within the oceans and atmosphere and the effects of the sun and clouds and water vapour and and and....most of which scientist are still struggling to understand. For example how these systems work, how they interact with each other and even over the timescales which they act. So simply packaging climate into CO2 and a Greenhouse effect is just not good science. However, it seems that governments are hellbent on making up their policies that will cost untold trillions based on very flimsy scientific information and very inaccurate output. Therefore, to me the net zero policy is fundamentally flawed as government is proposing taxation and social manipulation policies to (supposedly) provide solutions to problems that simply don't exist!
On the other hand its great time to be a "climate scientist" at the moment - good for making money! I think that's the only positive feedback loop in the climate model at the moment. Scientist provide alarmist predictions so international organisations lobby governments that they need to act and fund research to which the scientists are happy to accept in order to confirm the alarmist predictions and that they need more money to research the issues...imagine how quickly the funding would dry up if they came back and said the problems were nothing like they were being made to look? Anyway that's a whole different thing.
The phrase 'global warming' has been around long enough for you to know it currently means AGW. The rest does not need rehashing on this thread. |
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