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Post by sandypine on Feb 24, 2023 9:59:20 GMT
What makes me sick are those that keep spouting the same old bullshit about climate warming who have done zero research and are suckered by all these doom and gloom merchants who don't have a fucking clue about reality. Don't know who you are talking about, I have done loads of reading on the subject and had a reasonably good knowledge before hand. But even if I knew nothing I would trust scientists over amateurs. Why do you not trust scientists who say there is no emergency, that it is bunkum to say that AGW is alive and well and a danger to us all? There are quite a few of them and they are far from amateurs, tens of thousands of years of climate research between them. Yet you dismiss them out of hand. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 24, 2023 10:00:50 GMT
You may still be mistaking it for religion. Scientific methodology isn't mere text book and so far I haven't seen anything other than devotion to your truth, which is apparently passed down to you. A belief system can easily corrupt the process, especially when there's a lot of money and power involved. Oh yes, scientists from across the globe from America to China, Japan to Australia have all got together and agreed to construct the biggest set of fake figures in the history of human kind. Those figures I read, that evidence they present is all faked and I have only two ways I can really educate myself. 1, To spend millions doing my own experiments, buy my own satellites, my own weather stations. Or 2, To believe a few blokes on You tube. Luckily from your side all you have to do is keep repeating I don't believe you (Because after all that's real science isn't it) Strangely you don't feel you even have explain why China is conspiring with the UK to fake these figures. Follow the money. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 10:09:43 GMT
And know better than they. Yep all these precdictions of doom and gloom are BS...Hint a computer works on logic not predictions. Even if mostly true, what about our own environment in this country, why shouldn't we have healthier cleaner air to breath? Could lead to happier people and take some weight off the NHS. AFAIA computers are yet to learn to be able to compare with humans in their daily capacity to produce independent thoughts and independent insights. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2023 10:15:14 GMT
Yep all these precdictions of doom and gloom are BS...Hint a computer works on logic not predictions. Even if mostly true, what about our own environment in this country, why shouldn't we have healthier cleaner air to breath? Could lead to happier people and take some weight off the NHS. If this is one of our aims, and i see nothing wrong with it being an aim, why are we moving millions of people into the country rather than settling with a lower, more sustainable population? Btw - the same issue arises with C02 emissions. If one of our major aims is to reduce national C02 emissions, why are we moving millions of people from the third world into the UK? |
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 10:16:18 GMT
How much does it cost to run and maintain a coal fired power station? Good question. All I can say is - it must have been reasonably cheap, because when it was our primary method of generation electricity was cheap as chips. But there was no invasion of the Ukraine at that time. And it sounds as though you are referring to the period before the coal mines closed and Mrs. T sold off our gas and oil. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 10:18:10 GMT
Even if mostly true, what about our own environment in this country, why shouldn't we have healthier cleaner air to breath? Could lead to happier people and take some weight off the NHS. If this is one of our aims, and i see nothing wrong with it being an aim, why are we moving millions of people into the country rather than settling with a lower, more sustainable population? Btw - the same issue arises with C02 emissions. If one of our major aims is to reduce national C02 emissions, why are moving millions of people from the third world into the UK? Some thing to do with our commitment by law to accept asylum seekers? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 24, 2023 10:18:46 GMT
Brilliant. So in your opinion ZG, closing all of our reliable coal fired power stations and not exploiting shale gas while spending £billions on unreliable wind turbines, has got nothing to do with the government warning people that power cuts/rationing may be necessary to preserve dwindling supplies. ZG, again and again, renewables are expensive and are not reliable. We closed our coal fired power stations long before renewables. We are not exploiting shale gas because we are fighting climate change. Just because its beyond your ability to understand does not make it not so. Wind turbines are not unreliable and they now regularly supply 30% of our energy. Given time it will be more but you can only build wind farms so fast. The future will consist of 90% of our energy coming from renewable and 10% from gas as a back up. The back up will also come from hydro, pumped water and power storage. The government are warning people of power cuts/rationing because we use gas and Putin has turned the main tap off. PUTIN HAS TURNED OFF THE GAS, THAT'S PUTIN. NOT RENEWABLES, PUTIN PUTIN PUTIN PUTINWe did not close our coal fired power stations long before renewables. Wind turbines have been around for many decades, the Delabole wind farm in Cornwall was built in 1991, the vast majority of coal fired power stations were closed c25 years later. You claim we are not exploiting shale gas because we are 'fighting climate change' (lol) how virtuous. ZG, due to Russian gas being cut off and wind turbines not generating due to a lack of wind, last December in order to keep the lights on in the UK Sunak signed a deal with Biden to supply the UK with 10 billion cubic metres of shale gas, yet we have trillions of cubic metres of shale gas in this country. But in order to appease eco maniacs like you the government import shale gas from thousands of miles away instead, this is economics of the mad house. Industry and the economy require affordable and reliable energy 24/7, without fossil fuels that is impossible and renewables will not provide it for many decades to come, particularly during winter months when energy is most needed. Btw, did you read a few weeks ago that German chemical giant BASF are relocating to China, a coal based economy. CEO Martin Brudermuller was quite blunt, he said the move was due to the high cost of (Renewable) energy in Europe. Thanks to net zero China are litterally laughing all the way to the bank. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2023 10:35:21 GMT
If this is one of our aims, and i see nothing wrong with it being an aim, why are we moving millions of people into the country rather than settling with a lower, more sustainable population? Btw - the same issue arises with C02 emissions. If one of our major aims is to reduce national C02 emissions, why are moving millions of people from the third world into the UK? Some thing to do with our commitment by law to accept asylum seekers? Not really - the vast bulk of the immigration has nothing to do with our asylum responsibilities |
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 12:22:24 GMT
Some thing to do with our commitment by law to accept asylum seekers? Not really - the vast bulk of the immigration has nothing to do with our asylum responsibilities I think when these people arrive they claim asylum, and it seems they usually get it. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 24, 2023 12:23:56 GMT
Not really - the vast bulk of the immigration has nothing to do with our asylum responsibilities I think when these people arrive they claim asylum, and it seems they usually get it.With bells on... |
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Post by Orac on Feb 24, 2023 12:37:43 GMT
Not really - the vast bulk of the immigration has nothing to do with our asylum responsibilities I think when these people arrive they claim asylum, and it seems they usually get it. But most of our immigration has nothing to do with asylum - and so it isn't at all related to any asylum related responsibility. The point I'm making here is that there is a significant inconsistency and consequently there is good reason to suspect that those in control our broad policy on the matters of immigration and Co2 emissions are not being honest about their motivations. |
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Post by sandypine on Feb 24, 2023 12:54:49 GMT
I think when these people arrive they claim asylum, and it seems they usually get it. But most of our immigration has nothing to do with asylum - and so it isn't at all related to any asylum related responsibility. The point I'm making here is that there is a significant inconsistency and consequently there is good reason to suspect that those in control our broad policy on the matters of immigration and Co2 emissions are not being honest about their motivations. With immigration the same lies have been uttered time and again over the 60 years that British people have almost always voted for strict control of immigration and almost always have been ignored when whichever government (and opposition) is given power. I now see that Cult like following and the same denigration of anyone who seeks to debate the issue of CO2. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 24, 2023 16:25:27 GMT
I think when these people arrive they claim asylum, and it seems they usually get it. But most of our immigration has nothing to do with asylum - and so it isn't at all related to any asylum related responsibility. The point I'm making here is that there is a significant inconsistency and consequently there is good reason to suspect that those in control our broad policy on the matters of immigration and Co2 emissions are not being honest about their motivations. I suspect you would have some trouble deciding who are the real asylum seekers and who are not. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 24, 2023 16:57:09 GMT
Oh yes, scientists from across the globe from America to China, Japan to Australia have all got together and agreed to construct the biggest set of fake figures in the history of human kind. Those figures I read, that evidence they present is all faked and I have only two ways I can really educate myself. 1, To spend millions doing my own experiments, buy my own satellites, my own weather stations. Or 2, To believe a few blokes on You tube. Luckily from your side all you have to do is keep repeating I don't believe you (Because after all that's real science isn't it) Strangely you don't feel you even have explain why China is conspiring with the UK to fake these figures. Your entire act is made up of strawman arguments. I was addressing science and your peculiar take on it, and have no particular "side".
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Post by zanygame on Feb 24, 2023 17:01:24 GMT
Your entire act is made up of strawman arguments. I was addressing science and your peculiar take on it, and have no particular "side".
He certainly knows Jack about Quantitative modeling... Oh know, everyone knows about Quantitative modelling and even how to spell it. |
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