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Post by sheepy on Feb 22, 2023 15:44:07 GMT
Hopefully all the current anti Net Zero rhetoric is the last gasp of armchair critics. The amount of carbon-reducing measures across the world — from renewable electric energy, through carbon zero transport, through green steel-making — seems to indicate that either most of the developed world has been duped into taking part in one giant delusion, or those who have an idea of the effect carbon has are working to solve the issue… Pat is an expert at telling lies. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 22, 2023 15:47:01 GMT
If it was true. We buy goods from China because they make them cheaper. That was the case long before Net Zero and is to do with low wages not ECO warriors. If brains were dynamite you lot wouldn't have enough to blow your warm woolly hats off. I'm sorry, you seem to have mistaken me for someone who values your opinion. No idea what an article about China's coal mines has to do with what I said. Perhaps you could read it again and think this time? I said. We buy goods from China because they make them cheaper. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 22, 2023 15:48:55 GMT
If brains were dynamite you lot wouldn't have enough to blow your warm woolly hats off. I'm sorry, you seem to have mistaken me for someone who values your opinion. No idea what an article about China's coal mines has to do with what I said. Perhaps you could read it again and think this time? I said. We buy goods from China because they make them cheaper. It has everything to do with what you have said in this thread, stop the swerving, it is in black and white. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 22, 2023 15:55:00 GMT
If it puts high priority things in peril, how does it do that? If you just mean the cost, then the same applies to cancer treatment and a hundred other examples I could easily provide. We shouldn't extend the Essex sea defences because know one can accurately say how high the highest tide/ low pressure/strong wind will raise the sea level. What on Earth is this gibberish? Everything you do comes at the expense of not doing something else. In the real world you can't do everything you might need to do (just in case). If what you are doing additionally dilutes your capacity to do anything, for instance, restricting your own use of tools, then that loss is compounded. Try and keep up. Its not about things "you might need to do (just in case)." We know global warming is happening and we know it has consequences, your argument for doing nothing is that we cannot say EXACTLY what those consequences are. My comparison. We know we are seeing higher extreme tides on the Essex coast, but no one can say exactly what they will be so we should do nothing. If you must wait to know the exact consequences of taking no action before you take any, then you are in for a very bad time. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 22, 2023 15:56:09 GMT
I'm sorry, you seem to have mistaken me for someone who values your opinion. No idea what an article about China's coal mines has to do with what I said. Perhaps you could read it again and think this time? I said. We buy goods from China because they make them cheaper. It has everything to do with what you have said in this thread, stop the swerving, it is in black and white. If its about something else in the thread then don't link it to my post. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 22, 2023 15:57:41 GMT
It has everything to do with what you have said in this thread, stop the swerving, it is in black and white. If its about something else in the thread then don't link it to my post. It was purposely linked to your nonsense disguised as net zero, because you cannot read or do maths. |
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Post by Toreador on Feb 22, 2023 15:57:50 GMT
If brains were dynamite you lot wouldn't have enough to blow your warm woolly hats off. I'm sorry, you seem to have mistaken me for someone who values your opinion. No idea what an article about China's coal mines has to do with what I said. Perhaps you could read it again and think this time? I said. We buy goods from China because they make them cheaper. I occasionally buy from the Chinese because they're things no longer manufactured here but they're only raw materials, I do not generally buy composite products. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 16:01:10 GMT
I haven't heard of any shortages of renewable energy. I would think that if there were shortages that would be the time to start complaining about it being unreliable. All energy is expensive, AFAIA UK renewable energy is sold at market price, that's why it is expensive. We should also remember that Gas in Britain is privately owned and thanks to privatisation the owners can sell their gas to the highest bidder and no one can stop them. Low carbon and green energy provides thousands of jobs. __"n the first months of 2020 Britain relied on renewable energy like never before. The power generated by clean energy projects eclipsed fossil fuels for the first time ever, making up almost half the electricity used to keep the lights on. www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/19/how-renewable-energy-could-power-britains-economic-recoveryCold snap forces National Grid to put three coal power generators on standby - news.sky.com/story/cold-snap-forces-national-grid-to-put-three-coal-power-plants-on-standby-12792900It aint rocket science. Regardless of the £billions the government throw at unreliable renewables, if the wind dont blow, wind turbines don't generate. And if the world stops turning, you missed that one. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 16:04:10 GMT
I haven't heard of any shortages of renewable energy. I would think that if there were shortages that would be the time to start complaining about it being unreliable. All energy is expensive, AFAIA UK renewable energy is sold at market price, that's why it is expensive.We should also remember that Gas in Britain is privately owned and thanks to privatisation the owners can sell their gas to the highest bidder and no one can stop them. Low carbon and green energy provides thousands of jobs. __"n the first months of 2020 Britain relied on renewable energy like never before. The power generated by clean energy projects eclipsed fossil fuels for the first time ever, making up almost half the electricity used to keep the lights on. www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/may/19/how-renewable-energy-could-power-britains-economic-recoveryIt's sold at an inflated price due to all energy costs being put into one pot. I explained this only a few days ago following the abject failure of the MP who asked Truss to explain this but refused to answer my question. I agree, it is the market that is the problem not net zero. |
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Post by Orac on Feb 22, 2023 16:06:52 GMT
What on Earth is this gibberish? Everything you do comes at the expense of not doing something else. In the real world you can't do everything you might need to do (just in case). If what you are doing additionally dilutes your capacity to do anything, for instance, restricting your own use of tools, then that loss is compounded. Try and keep up. Its not about things "you might need to do (just in case)." We know global warming is happening and we know it has consequences, your argument for doing nothing is that we cannot say EXACTLY what those consequences are. You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you accept that we don't have a very clear picture of what the risks are (just that there are likely some consequences) but, on the other, you are saying that giving this the highest priority isn't 'doing something just in case at the expense of something else' |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 16:24:42 GMT
How come windfall taxes from a war will push BP to invest outside the UK and yet controls on what you can charge for that gas do not? Thats easy - windfall taxes destroy investment because they are unpredictable, arbitrary and imposed on a political whim. No cpmpany can make long term investment decisions with that uncertainty hanging over their head.  Windfall taxes are only imposed on windfall profits. So normal business would continue as normal with the addition of some increased help from some of the excess profits. |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 22, 2023 16:26:19 GMT
If its about something else in the thread then don't link it to my post. It was purposely linked to your nonsense disguised as net zero, because you cannot read or do maths. ignored as trash |
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Post by zanygame on Feb 22, 2023 16:27:44 GMT
Try and keep up. Its not about things "you might need to do (just in case)." We know global warming is happening and we know it has consequences, your argument for doing nothing is that we cannot say EXACTLY what those consequences are. You are contradicting yourself. On the one hand you accept that we don't have a very clear picture of what the risks are (just that there are likely some consequences) but, on the other, you are saying that giving this the highest priority isn't 'doing something just in case at the expense of something else' No. I have never said this is our highest priority, that's you. Did you forget you said it? |
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Post by see2 on Feb 22, 2023 16:28:35 GMT
__"Greece, Hungary, Italy, Romania, Spain, and the United Kingdom have implemented a windfall tax. The Czech Republic and Poland have published proposals to enact a windfall tax and Spain published a proposal to enact a second windfall tax because the first one was diluted by a series of exclusions that left many energy providers out of its scope.
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Post by sheepy on Feb 22, 2023 16:40:08 GMT
It was purposely linked to your nonsense disguised as net zero, because you cannot read or do maths. ignored as trash It ain't going away unlike like your nonsense. The last time you kept your head down for a day or two, until someone else spouted nonsense you could counter. |
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