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Post by jonksy on Feb 7, 2023 14:22:36 GMT
The UK has never been ruled by the EU. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong You know damn well the United Kingdom has been forced to adopt a shitload of laws and directives demanded of us by Brussels. In 1973 we only had to make the cars we drove compatible with one of the EEC countries if we wanted to sell it to them. Since Lisbon we have been forced to build to their demands regardless of where we wanted to sell. Similarly we could not farm crops or animals not on their approved list. We were forced to stop selling incandescent light bulbs and powerful lawn mowers I know you will come back with bullshit that these were good ideas we should have done anyway but that misses the point which is we send people to SW1A 0AA to argue those points and do it or not, and now we had to take it up the shitter from 27 appointed people 26 of whom we had no control over the appointing of and the 27th wed have liked to hang but couldnt thanks to the underhand actions of Tony Blair Anyone into hoovers that don't suck or fucking blow guns that don't blow FFS? |
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Post by patman post on Feb 7, 2023 14:26:24 GMT
The UK has never been ruled by the EU. Wrong, Wrong, Wrong You know damn well the United Kingdom has been forced to adopt a shitload of laws and directives demanded of us by Brussels. In 1973 we only had to make the cars we drove compatible with one of the EEC countries if we wanted to sell it to them. Since Lisbon we have been forced to build to their demands regardless of where we wanted to sell. Similarly we could not farm crops or animals not on their approved list. We were forced to stop selling incandescent light bulbs and powerful lawn mowers I know you will come back with bullshit that these were good ideas we should have done anyway but that misses the point which is we send people to SW1A 0AA to argue those points and do it or not, and now we had to take it up the shitter from 27 appointed people 26 of whom we had no control over the appointing of and the 27th wed have liked to hang but couldnt thanks to the underhand actions of Tony Blair The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999 Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix. In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%. This is counting votes in the EU Council of Ministers, which passes most EU laws jointly with the European Parliament. fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/ |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 7, 2023 14:33:36 GMT
The only argument for me is one very simple one:
Does Freedom of Movement benefit British people?
Personally, I think flooding the UK with 6 million EU nationals (mostly Eastern Europeans) and driving down wages and terms and conditions was a very bad thing for millions of Britains.
It is also bad for our children because of instead of concentrating on educating and training our young people employers, and the government can just import skills (as seen with the doctors and nurses shortage). I work in logistics, and now the EU cheap Labour tap has been turned off guess what has happened? Trucker driver wages have increased, terms have gotten better and they are putting young people through their tests again, giving 20 year olds a decent £40k-£50k career!!
The arguement that it stops our children is just bollocks, why should they have to leave family, friend, culture (most of their identity) behind in search of a good career? They should be able to succeed here in the UK!!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2023 17:49:11 GMT
The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999 Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix. In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%. This is counting votes in the EU Council of Ministers, which passes most EU laws jointly with the European Parliament. fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/That's really interesting, but I think 100% British rule over our own laws is preferable, don't you agree? |
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Post by see2 on Feb 7, 2023 19:12:28 GMT
The only argument for me is one very simple one: Does Freedom of Movement benefit British people? Personally, I think flooding the UK with 6 million EU nationals (mostly Eastern Europeans) and driving down wages and terms and conditions was a very bad thing for millions of Britains. It is also bad for our children because of instead of concentrating on educating and training our young people employers, and the government can just import skills (as seen with the doctors and nurses shortage). I work in logistics, and now the EU cheap Labour tap has been turned off guess what has happened? Trucker driver wages have increased, terms have gotten better and they are putting young people through their tests again, giving 20 year olds a decent £40k-£50k career!! The arguement that it stops our children is just bollocks, why should they have to leave family, friend, culture (most of their identity) behind in search of a good career? They should be able to succeed here in the UK!! Unemployment was still lower than in 1997, perhaps the question should be why were there so many UK citizens under 25 who had difficulty in filling in an employment application form during (and no doubt after) the early days of NL in office. If so many engineering shops hadn't have closed under Mrs. T. we would have had a healthy background of skilled personnel and no need for Polish electricians, plumbers and so on. Of course many wages increased after 2016, but these are not normal times, things may take some time to get back to something representing normal but as that happens high wages will start to reduce as things begin to go in favour of the employer once again. That would be the norm for this capitalist country. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 7, 2023 19:17:29 GMT
The British government has voted against EU laws 2% of the time since 1999 Official EU voting records* show that the British government has voted ‘No’ to laws passed at EU level on 56 occasions, abstained 70 times, and voted ‘Yes’ 2,466 times since 1999, according to UK in a Changing Europe Fellows Sara Hagemann and Simon Hix. In other words, UK ministers were on the “winning side” 95% of the time, abstained 3% of the time, and were on the losing side 2%. This is counting votes in the EU Council of Ministers, which passes most EU laws jointly with the European Parliament. fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/That's really interesting, but I think 100% British rule over our own laws is preferable, don't you agree? Your comment makes sense, but would that be the case even if it meant something like a permanent economic struggle similar to what the UK endured before joining the Common Market? |
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 8, 2023 0:39:54 GMT
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong You know damn well the United Kingdom has been forced to adopt a shitload of laws and directives demanded of us by Brussels. In 1973 we only had to make the cars we drove compatible with one of the EEC countries if we wanted to sell it to them. Since Lisbon we have been forced to build to their demands regardless of where we wanted to sell. Similarly we could not farm crops or animals not on their approved list. We were forced to stop selling incandescent light bulbs and powerful lawn mowers I know you will come back with bullshit that these were good ideas we should have done anyway but that misses the point which is we send people to SW1A 0AA to argue those points and do it or not, and now we had to take it up the shitter from 27 appointed people 26 of whom we had no control over the appointing of and the 27th wed have liked to hang but couldnt thanks to the underhand actions of Tony Blair Doesn't "Forcing" the UK to build cars to EU laws only apply to cars we sell in the EU? Overpowered Lawn mowers wasted electricity and were unnecessarily noisy. It seems to me that most of the rules/laws from the EU are either about bringing in compatibility between the member countries, such as the everyone using the the same weights and measures. IMO a perfectly useful non-harmful way of proceeding. Or commonsense things like, changing the the size of holes in fishing nets and improving the destructive method of trawler fishing that was in use, both in the interests of fish supplies and of the fishermen. And the likes of cleaning up of coasts from sewage pollution. I can't think of any EU law of rules that has caused a problem to the UK. I’ll take the first point head on. NO. We were forced to have Day Running Lights as were Portugal and Spain. They are needed in the Arctic Circle which is why all Volvos had their lights on all the time. And the last. You've swallowed the bullshit. Thank god you haven't swallowed the seawater. As a uk scuba diver i was a fairly ardent supporter of an outfit called Surfers Against Sewage. Heres a fact you will not like. The UK had a beach cleanliness scheme that focussed hard on things like faecal coliforms (human and animal bacteria excreted in shit). Our blue flag scheme focussed on that. Then 27 twats in Brussels forced the MEPs to runner stamp a new blue flag scheme. One in which water quality played second fiddle to denying cars access to the shoreline and provision of tourist shops. We didn't want this useless piece of shit legislation that actually downgraded the best beaches for launching RIBs from and ones that had clear seawater with low contamination and myriad marine life at five metres and promoted shitholes with sewer outfalls because they banned cars from getting within half a mile (one thing you can rely on in the EU is a way for a jobsworth to fuck up a motorist's day) and sold ice cream. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 8, 2023 8:59:02 GMT
Doesn't "Forcing" the UK to build cars to EU laws only apply to cars we sell in the EU? Overpowered Lawn mowers wasted electricity and were unnecessarily noisy. It seems to me that most of the rules/laws from the EU are either about bringing in compatibility between the member countries, such as the everyone using the the same weights and measures. IMO a perfectly useful non-harmful way of proceeding. Or commonsense things like, changing the the size of holes in fishing nets and improving the destructive method of trawler fishing that was in use, both in the interests of fish supplies and of the fishermen. And the likes of cleaning up of coasts from sewage pollution. I can't think of any EU law of rules that has caused a problem to the UK. I’ll take the first point head on. NO. We were forced to have Day Running Lights as were Portugal and Spain. They are needed in the Arctic Circle which is why all Volvos had their lights on all the time. And the last. You've swallowed the bullshit. Thank god you haven't swallowed the seawater. As a uk scuba diver i was a fairly ardent supporter of an outfit called Surfers Against Sewage. Heres a fact you will not like. The UK had a beach cleanliness scheme that focussed hard on things like faecal coliforms (human and animal bacteria excreted in shit). Our blue flag scheme focussed on that. Then 27 twats in Brussels forced the MEPs to runner stamp a new blue flag scheme. One in which water quality played second fiddle to denying cars access to the shoreline and provision of tourist shops. We didn't want this useless piece of shit legislation that actually downgraded the best beaches for launching RIBs from and ones that had clear seawater with low contamination and myriad marine life at five metres and promoted shitholes with sewer outfalls because they banned cars from getting within half a mile (one thing you can rely on in the EU is a way for a jobsworth to fuck up a motorist's day) and sold ice cream. I can only go on the things I hear and the things I read, I have very little experience with the UK coastal waters. From 2016. __"In the 1980s, the British government tried to claim that the beaches of Brighton, Blackpool, Skegness and many other resorts weren’t used for bathing, to avoid dealing with the sewage, condoms and tampons that polluted them. Of the 27 beaches it agreed were used for swimming, nine were too dirty to reach the minimum bathing standard. Today, after legal action from the EU and directives on bathing water and urban waste water, 99% of the UK’s 632 designated beaches have been deemed safe for swimming."__ www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/09/what-has-the-eu-ever-done-for-my-beach |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 9, 2023 13:54:00 GMT
The only argument for me is one very simple one: Does Freedom of Movement benefit British people? Personally, I think flooding the UK with 6 million EU nationals (mostly Eastern Europeans) and driving down wages and terms and conditions was a very bad thing for millions of Britains. It is also bad for our children because of instead of concentrating on educating and training our young people employers, and the government can just import skills (as seen with the doctors and nurses shortage). I work in logistics, and now the EU cheap Labour tap has been turned off guess what has happened? Trucker driver wages have increased, terms have gotten better and they are putting young people through their tests again, giving 20 year olds a decent £40k-£50k career!! The arguement that it stops our children is just bollocks, why should they have to leave family, friend, culture (most of their identity) behind in search of a good career? They should be able to succeed here in the UK!! Unemployment was still lower than in 1997, perhaps the question should be why were there so many UK citizens under 25 who had difficulty in filling in an employment application form during (and no doubt after) the early days of NL in office. If so many engineering shops hadn't have closed under Mrs. T. we would have had a healthy background of skilled personnel and no need for Polish electricians, plumbers and so on. Of course many wages increased after 2016, but these are not normal times, things may take some time to get back to something representing normal but as that happens high wages will start to reduce as things begin to go in favour of the employer once again. That would be the norm for this capitalist country. Do you walk around with your eyes closed? 6 million EU nationals flooded into the country and drove down wages with an over supply of labour (not to mention the additional strain on housing and public services). Also many lived in a way that meant they could take lower wages because they were here to build nest eggs and return home. How the fuck can a young British citizen who has a desire to buy a house and start a family compete with somebody who lives 6 to a house and is only here to build a nest egg? Also, why the hell are you still bleating on about Thatcher? That was over 30 years ago ffs!! The simple fact is that we flooded the UK with cheap labour and this allowed politicians and employers to neglect their duty to give OUR CHILDREN the right opportunities. I'll repeat it again, since Brexit employers have been forced to TRAIN OUR OWN PEOPLE instead of importing skills. |
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Post by Morgan on Feb 9, 2023 15:50:38 GMT
Yes. It's a pity that nobody realised that many of the 6 million EU nationals were also doing a lot of the unskilled jobs which the British don't want such as working in care homes.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 9, 2023 17:54:30 GMT
Yes. It's a pity that nobody realised that many of the 6 million EU nationals were also doing a lot of the unskilled jobs which the British don't want such as working in care homes. You can get unskilled labour from anywhere in the world - you dont have to pay £10 Billion a year for the privilege. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 9, 2023 18:01:42 GMT
Yes. It's a pity that nobody realised that many of the 6 million EU nationals were also doing a lot of the unskilled jobs which the British don't want such as working in care homes. You can get unskilled labour from anywhere in the world - you dont have to pay £10 Billion a year for the privilege. So why aren’t they here in the places where they are needed? And £10 billion a year seems a reasonable membership fee compared to the economic disaster club the U.K. has joined… |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 9, 2023 18:10:16 GMT
You can get unskilled labour from anywhere in the world - you dont have to pay £10 Billion a year for the privilege. So why aren’t they here in the places where they are needed? And £10 billion a year seems a reasonable membership fee compared to the economic disaster club the U.K. has joined… The answer to that is probably simple, once they established they could milk the generous welfare system, and claim more in benefits than what they were earning working, that's what they decided to do. Then sent a message back to family friends, and associates , to join the free for all UK. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 9, 2023 18:17:16 GMT
You can get unskilled labour from anywhere in the world - you dont have to pay £10 Billion a year for the privilege.
And £10 billion a year seems a reasonable membership fee compared to the economic disaster club the U.K. has joined… Because the present UK Government has decided to restrict low skilled/low paid migration. I am sure that when Labour become the Government then they will open the doors to mass unskilled labour flooding in. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 9, 2023 18:26:52 GMT
Doesn't "Forcing" the UK to build cars to EU laws only apply to cars we sell in the EU? Overpowered Lawn mowers wasted electricity and were unnecessarily noisy. It seems to me that most of the rules/laws from the EU are either about bringing in compatibility between the member countries, such as the everyone using the the same weights and measures. IMO a perfectly useful non-harmful way of proceeding. Or commonsense things like, changing the the size of holes in fishing nets and improving the destructive method of trawler fishing that was in use, both in the interests of fish supplies and of the fishermen. And the likes of cleaning up of coasts from sewage pollution. I can't think of any EU law of rules that has caused a problem to the UK. I’ll take the first point head on. NO. We were forced to have Day Running Lights as were Portugal and Spain. They are needed in the Arctic Circle which is why all Volvos had their lights on all the time. And the last. You've swallowed the bullshit. Thank god you haven't swallowed the seawater. As a uk scuba diver i was a fairly ardent supporter of an outfit called Surfers Against Sewage. Heres a fact you will not like. The UK had a beach cleanliness scheme that focussed hard on things like faecal coliforms (human and animal bacteria excreted in shit). Our blue flag scheme focussed on that. Then 27 twats in Brussels forced the MEPs to runner stamp a new blue flag scheme. One in which water quality played second fiddle to denying cars access to the shoreline and provision of tourist shops. We didn't want this useless piece of shit legislation that actually downgraded the best beaches for launching RIBs from and ones that had clear seawater with low contamination and myriad marine life at five metres and promoted shitholes with sewer outfalls because they banned cars from getting within half a mile (one thing you can rely on in the EU is a way for a jobsworth to fuck up a motorist's day) and sold ice cream. Daylight running lights have proved to provide extra safety. That why so many countries now stipulate them. If you’ve never found it hazardous going through tree lined road in summer without lights on, your eyes must be better than mine. Frankly, your appraisal of beach and seawater cleanliness legislation is way off target. The UK has been and has reverted to the dirty man of Europe — even including the Med… |
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