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Post by oracle75 on Feb 5, 2023 22:14:53 GMT
So still pushing that lie eh buccaneer? There was no compulsion on EU states to join the EU vaccine scheme so in or out the UK had that freedom so 'set up its own vaccine task force'That you and that tawdry 'briefings for britain' pretend otherwise just shows how guilty you all feel about the 4% hit to GDP that Brexit has brought us. I've already asked you to demonstrate how Brexit has caused a hit in GDP. Unsurprisingly, you ran away from this challenge. The extra paperwork required for trading with the EU costs money SME's can't afford so they have gone out of business. EU companies have stopped trading with the UK for the same reason. International companies have stopped serious investing in the UK. Brexit Britain has RAISED its corporation tax, contrary to its promise. And Brexit Britain has raised interest rates thanks to its useless Brexit government. So more people will not be able to afford a home or a move. The UK has nothing in the tank. And Brexit is the hole at the bottom of that tank. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 5, 2023 22:24:03 GMT
I've already asked you to demonstrate how Brexit has caused a hit in GDP. Unsurprisingly, you ran away from this challenge. The extra paperwork required for trading with the EU costs money SME's can't afford so they have gone out of business. EU companies have stopped trading with the UK for the same reason. International companies have stopped serious investing in the UK. Brexit Britain has RAISED its corporation tax, contrary to its promise. And Brexit Britain has raised interest rates thanks to its useless Brexit government. So more people will not be able to afford a home or a move. The UK has nothing in the tank. And Brexit is the hole at the bottom of that tank. So where is the evidence and analysis in the numbers then that demonstrates this? Your opinion isn't evidence. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2023 22:51:43 GMT
So still pushing that lie eh buccaneer? There was no compulsion on EU states to join the EU vaccine scheme so in or out the UK had that freedom so 'set up its own vaccine task force'That you and that tawdry 'briefings for britain' pretend otherwise just shows how guilty you all feel about the 4% hit to GDP that Brexit has brought us. I've already asked you to demonstrate how Brexit has caused a hit in GDP. Unsurprisingly, you ran away from this challenge. No, maybe I was distracted laughing at the bilge from others. Anyway you've had it all before. Office of Budget Responsibility says it's a 4% GDP hit compared to where we would have been but it's likely worse because that's in over printed £ Our 2022 GDP in world terms is just 2.1% higher than our 2014 GDP whereas the Eurozone is 9,8% higher in 2022 than 2014 That's over a 7% relative piece of self harm. Feel free to click those links and cry. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 5, 2023 22:52:31 GMT
The extra paperwork required for trading with the EU costs money SME's can't afford so they have gone out of business. EU companies have stopped trading with the UK for the same reason. International companies have stopped serious investing in the UK. Brexit Britain has RAISED its corporation tax, contrary to its promise. And Brexit Britain has raised interest rates thanks to its useless Brexit government. So more people will not be able to afford a home or a move. The UK has nothing in the tank. And Brexit is the hole at the bottom of that tank. So where is the evidence and analysis in the numbers then that demonstrates this? Your opinion isn't evidence. For once read the news. The corporation tax rate has gone up. Interest rates have gone up. The Brexit government which said it would control borders and raise wages has increased immigration and refused wage rises. Where have you been??? |
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2023 22:55:37 GMT
Absolute rubbish, just a wild arsed supposition to support a self serving narrative. The fact is the UK had a long history of opting out of EU defaults so no reason why they wouldn't have over vaccines just like most EU countries did. And then there's that had we voted Remain in 2016 by 2020 we'd have had all sorts of rows with EU nations. Total BOLLOCKS.....The EUSSR were not satisfied with blocking any attempts at changes put forward from our country and were delighted in not only fucking refusing to change but to humiliate our own democratically elected PM...None of those wankers were never elected by the over 400 plus million they dictate too......FFS and you want to be a part of that....Feel free to fuck of to your beloved EUSSR as nobody will miss you or your ilk. When all someone's got is ranting about a mythical EUSSR it really is  time. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 5, 2023 23:06:35 GMT
So where is the evidence and analysis in the numbers then that demonstrates this? Your opinion isn't evidence. For once read the news. The corporation tax rate has gone up. Interest rates have gone up. The Brexit government which said it would control borders and raise wages has increased immigration and refused wage rises. Where have you been??? How is raising tax the fault of Brexit? |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 5, 2023 23:15:35 GMT
So no hard evidence then. Just some assumptions and dubious claims by the OBR and comparing GDP as far back as 2014 to 2023. You do know the UK only ended the transition period by the end of 2020? So for the majority of that time "self-harm" was induced whilst the UK was still tied to the EU. Have a cry over that own goal. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2023 23:55:45 GMT
What kind of looney has hard links showing we've performed over 7% worse in GDP terms than the Eurozone and whines pretending there was no hard evidence?
A buccinglooney?
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 6, 2023 2:02:13 GMT
What kind of looney has hard links showing we've performed over 7% worse in GDP terms than the Eurozone and whines pretending there was no hard evidence? A buccinglooney? Usual dishonesty. 2014 - 2023. For 6 of those years the UK was tied to the EU. Have another go supporting your claim with evidence this time, and without the correlation equals causation, so it must be Brexit claim. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2023 2:41:53 GMT
Total BOLLOCKS.....The EUSSR were not satisfied with blocking any attempts at changes put forward from our country and were delighted in not only fucking refusing to change but to humiliate our own democratically elected PM...None of those wankers were never elected by the over 400 plus million they dictate too......FFS and you want to be a part of that....Feel free to fuck of to your beloved EUSSR as nobody will miss you or your ilk. When all someone's got is ranting about a mythical EUSSR it really is time. Usuall BOLLOCKS from the EUSSR's head arse licker...... |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2023 2:43:37 GMT
What kind of looney has hard links showing we've performed over 7% worse in GDP terms than the Eurozone and whines pretending there was no hard evidence? A buccinglooney? 2014 - 2023. For 6 of those years the UK was tied to the EU. Have another go supporting your claim with evidence this time, and without the correlation equals causation, so it must be Brexit claim. Has the arsehole ever been honest? |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 6, 2023 7:18:04 GMT
For once read the news. The corporation tax rate has gone up. Interest rates have gone up. The Brexit government which said it would control borders and raise wages has increased immigration and refused wage rises. Where have you been??? How is raising tax the fault of Brexit? Because today those who trade with the EU have higher costs and have had to raise prices or go out of business. This adds to the pay rises that public sector workers need to pay for what they used to afford, and that requires more public government money from taxpayers. Remember one part of the 2019 Tory manifesto promises no rise in National Insurance, VAT or income tax. So the government has also had to raise corporation tax, another burden on business which squeezes any meaningful pay rises, causing employees to work harder to fill the loss of workers due to Brexit and accrue higher income taxes for the extra work they have to do. The extra work by traders as I said costs money so profits are lower and companies pay less tax on profits (while paying more corporation tax) so the treasury collects less money due to a lower GDP, caused by less trade, caused by Brexit. All this adds to inflation which the BoE damps down by discouraging consuming by raising the interest rate so people don't invest or move. Which further slows down growth and investment. I find it worrying that a large company in the UK that makes batteries in market that can't get enough if them, and into which the government had invested 100 million in 2022, last year, has had to close and sell to an Australian company. www.bbc.com/news/business-64303149Brexit promised internal support for a high wage, high progressive technical economy and has once again failed. www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/britishvolt-sold-australian-firm-recharge-26164878Brexit was going to level up the North and south. Not only has this failure damaged that but HS2 is shrinking annually. The country cannot afford Brexit even though the government has put taxes up as much as possible, without causing inflation. If Brexit had not happened, trade with the EU would be truly far less expensive, companies would still be in business and the historical international investment would still exist, bringing in tax revenue and growth that used to be normal. And once again proves sovereignty does not mean you can do what you want. It depends greatly on what other countries do. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 6, 2023 7:41:44 GMT
How is raising tax the fault of Brexit? Because today those who trade with the EU have higher costs and have had to raise prices or go out of business. This adds to the pay rises that public sector workers need to pay for what they used to afford, and that requires more public government money from taxpayers. Remember one part of the 2019 Tory manifesto promises no rise in National Insurance, VAT or income tax. So the government has also had to raise corporation tax, another burden on business which squeezes any meaningful pay rises, causing employees to work harder to fill the loss of workers due to Brexit and accrue higher income taxes for the extra work they have to do. The extra work by traders as I said costs money so profits are lower and companies pay less tax on profits (while paying more corporation tax) so the treasury collects less money due to a lower GDP, caused by less trade, caused by Brexit. All this adds to inflation which the BoE damps down by discouraging consuming by raising the interest rate so people don't invest or move. Which further slows down growth and investment. I find it worrying that a large company in the UK that makes batteries in market that can't get enough if them, and into which the government had invested 100 million in 2022, last year, has had to close and sell to an Australian company. www.bbc.com/news/business-64303149Brexit promised internal support for a high wage, high progressive technical economy and has once again failed. www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/britishvolt-sold-australian-firm-recharge-26164878Brexit was going to level up the North and south. Not only has this failure damaged that but HS2 is shrinking annually. The country cannot afford Brexit even though the government has put taxes up as much as possible, without causing inflation. If Brexit had not happened, trade with the EU would be truly far less expensive, companies would still be in business and the historical international investment would still exist, bringing in tax revenue and growth that used to be normal. And once again proves sovereignty does not mean you can do what you want. It depends greatly on what other countries do. What a load of rubbish. Taxes have risen due to furlough schemes and post-covid recovery. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2023 9:22:50 GMT
What kind of looney has hard links showing we've performed over 7% worse in GDP terms than the Eurozone and whines pretending there was no hard evidence? A buccinglooney? Usual dishonesty. 2014 - 2023. For 6 of those years the UK was tied to the EU. Have another go supporting your claim with evidence this time, and without the correlation equals causation, so it must be Brexit claim. The UK investment was cut back once the vote loomed and especially after it, even a buccing idiot knows that. But then even a buccing idiot would know that it's dishonest to disown the 2019-22 figures on page 1 of this thread and then claim it's dishonest to be given the longer term position. But as you insist on the 2019-22 comparison we're still doing worse UK: 9.5% Eurozone: 10.5% and a reminder, worse compared to others  |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 6, 2023 9:36:31 GMT
How is raising tax the fault of Brexit? Because today those who trade with the EU have higher costs and have had to raise prices or go out of business. This adds to the pay rises that public sector workers need to pay for what they used to afford, and that requires more public government money from taxpayers. Remember one part of the 2019 Tory manifesto promises no rise in National Insurance, VAT or income tax. So the government has also had to raise corporation tax, another burden on business which squeezes any meaningful pay rises, causing employees to work harder to fill the loss of workers due to Brexit and accrue higher income taxes for the extra work they have to do. The extra work by traders as I said costs money so profits are lower and companies pay less tax on profits (while paying more corporation tax) so the treasury collects less money due to a lower GDP, caused by less trade, caused by Brexit. All this adds to inflation which the BoE damps down by discouraging consuming by raising the interest rate so people don't invest or move. Which further slows down growth and investment. I find it worrying that a large company in the UK that makes batteries in market that can't get enough if them, and into which the government had invested 100 million in 2022, last year, has had to close and sell to an Australian company. www.bbc.com/news/business-64303149Brexit promised internal support for a high wage, high progressive technical economy and has once again failed. www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/britishvolt-sold-australian-firm-recharge-26164878Brexit was going to level up the North and south. Not only has this failure damaged that but HS2 is shrinking annually. The country cannot afford Brexit even though the government has put taxes up as much as possible, without causing inflation. If Brexit had not happened, trade with the EU would be truly far less expensive, companies would still be in business and the historical international investment would still exist, bringing in tax revenue and growth that used to be normal. And once again proves sovereignty does not mean you can do what you want. It depends greatly on what other countries do.
Ah yes, inflation. Now, let's remind ourselves:
Inflation EU: 10.4 Inflation UK: 10.5
Now you keep going around in those circles, Coracle Kim. 
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