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Post by buccaneer on Feb 4, 2023 21:35:43 GMT
- Covid vaccines
- Freeports
- Promoting innovation: A ‘Common Law’ approach to better regulation.
- The REUL Bill
- The ‘Edinburgh reforms’ – freeing up £100bn for investment.
- The Genetic Technology (Precision Breeding) Bill
- World class biotech regulatory system attracting investment
- Animal welfare improvements
- Cheaper motor insurance – reversing the Vnuk ECJ Insurance case
- Amending HGV drivers’ regulations to safeguard critical supply chains
- Airports Slot Allocation – removing ‘ghost flights’ during covid.
- Immigration controls
- No liability for the EU’s current recovery plan saving £10s billions
- Tax reform – VAT on tampons & energy saving products
- Taking back control of UK Fishing
- Bans on environmentally damaging fishing practices
- New agriculture support scheme – no more CAP
- Free Trade Agreements
- EU foreign policy –Ukraine
- AUKUS
- The UK has already avoided 7,391 new EU laws
- Democracy
- An end to ‘ever closer union’ of EU foreign and tax policy
Have we seen and been affected positively by any of these benefits as listed above?
For example, looking through the most extensively claimed benefits of taking back control of our borders, Rees Mogg's promise of cheaper food, immigration controls/numbers, etc — only one looked like coming true, ie, removal of 5% vat on tampons.
It now, seems that big-name brands cost more per tampon ..... An investigation by the Sunday Mirror as part of our End Period Poverty campaign has found that not only has inflation pushed up prices, but packs are getting smaller... I think we can be honest enough now to say that Brexit hasn't caused inflation. Therefore, Mogg's statement about cheaper food (which is true) or the rise in cost on tampons isn't down to Brexit. As for the investigation finding tampon packs getting smaller, I don't see how a company manufacturing products to clearly save costs (rightly or wrongly) and who took no profit from a percentage of VAT can lead the demos to point the finger of their decision towards the government and down the chain to Brexit. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 5, 2023 8:40:12 GMT
Yes you are. No one forced any EU nations to be in the EU scheme as Malta proved Let's stick to the facts of what happened. That way lying should be mitigated. The UK set up its own Covid 19 task force to procure vaccines and did not join the EU’s vaccine procurement strategy.[ii]
The UK’s roll out was faster than the EU’s. The UK provided a first vaccination to more than 40% of its population, whereas the EU was stuck around 12-14% in March 2021.[iii] The UK also funded the development of the Oxford, AstraZeneca vaccine, which was passed for use in the UK’s medical agency before it was passed in the EU. As a cheap vaccine requiring no refrigeration, this vaccine then became used in more countries than any other vaccine.Indeed. Let's stick to the facts. Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in the EU-4 and the UK 2022 Published by Statista Research Department, Jul 8, 2022 As of July 7, 2022, there have been 2,030,370 deaths across the whole of Europe due to COVID-19 since the first recorded European death in France and Spain on February 15, 2020. The United Kingdom currently has the highest number of deaths in Western Europe, and has recorded 180,718 coronavirus deaths as of July 7. In Italy, there have been 168,770 confirmed deaths as a result of COVID-19." It matters not one iota that rhe UK injected the first vaccination 4 days before somewhere in the EU. That is as pathetic an argument as pennies of VAT on tampons. The FACT is the UK made a complete pig's ear of Covid and chalked up not only the highest deaths in Western Europe but the highest costs via nepotism and corruption. The Brexit government couldn't organise a boy scout meeting. On the other hand the cooperation engendered by the EU allowed sharing of hospital beds, vaccine supplies and PPC.It is pathetic to justify fouling up an entire economy and putting people out of work because of the Murdoch press and few pennies on tampons. Which BTW doesn't exist anymore. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 5, 2023 10:03:03 GMT
Let's stick to the facts of what happened. That way lying should be mitigated. The UK set up its own Covid 19 task force to procure vaccines and did not join the EU’s vaccine procurement strategy.[ii]
The UK’s roll out was faster than the EU’s. The UK provided a first vaccination to more than 40% of its population, whereas the EU was stuck around 12-14% in March 2021.[iii] The UK also funded the development of the Oxford, AstraZeneca vaccine, which was passed for use in the UK’s medical agency before it was passed in the EU. As a cheap vaccine requiring no refrigeration, this vaccine then became used in more countries than any other vaccine.Indeed. Let's stick to the facts. Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths in the EU-4 and the UK 2022 Published by Statista Research Department, Jul 8, 2022 As of July 7, 2022, there have been 2,030,370 deaths across the whole of Europe due to COVID-19 since the first recorded European death in France and Spain on February 15, 2020. The United Kingdom currently has the highest number of deaths in Western Europe, and has recorded 180,718 coronavirus deaths as of July 7. In Italy, there have been 168,770 confirmed deaths as a result of COVID-19." It matters not one iota that rhe UK injected the first vaccination 4 days before somewhere in the EU. That is as pathetic an argument as pennies of VAT on tampons. The FACT is the UK made a complete pig's ear of Covid and chalked up not only the highest deaths in Western Europe but the highest costs via nepotism and corruption. The Brexit government couldn't organise a boy scout meeting. On the other hand the cooperation engendered by the EU allowed sharing of hospital beds, vaccine supplies and PPC.It is pathetic to justify fouling up an entire economy and putting people out of work because of the Murdoch press and few pennies on tampons. Which BTW doesn't exist anymore. Many things the government did get wrong. In hindsight as well too many lockdowns which has caused our economy to take a hit. However, the nimble, flexible ability to procure, regulate and invest in a vaccine was much more efficient than anything the EU produced. And the EU were too busy policing their failed policy and raiding warehouses in Italy, halting vaccine exports to Australia that had already been paid for, threatening to place a hard border between N.Ireland and Ireland. Macron doing a Trump and saying Astra-Zenaca was quasi-ineffective. The EU embarrassed itself globally during the vaccine rollout and Britain was more efficient and organised in its rollout. And without Brexit the UK would never have gone down that route it would have been dragged into the vaccine nationalism and squabbling the EU displayed. A bullet dodged thanks to Brexit! |
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2023 11:07:33 GMT
Yes you are. No one forced any EU nations to be in the EU scheme as Malta proved Let's stick to the facts of what happened. That way lying should be mitigated. The UK set up its own Covid 19 task force to procure vaccines and did not join the EU’s vaccine procurement strategy.[ii]
The UK’s roll out was faster than the EU’s. The UK provided a first vaccination to more than 40% of its population, whereas the EU was stuck around 12-14% in March 2021.[iii] The UK also funded the development of the Oxford, AstraZeneca vaccine, which was passed for use in the UK’s medical agency before it was passed in the EU. As a cheap vaccine requiring no refrigeration, this vaccine then became used in more countries than any other vaccine.So still pushing that lie eh buccaneer? There was no compulsion on EU states to join the EU vaccine scheme so in or out the UK had that freedom so 'set up its own vaccine task force'That you and that tawdry 'briefings for britain' pretend otherwise just shows how guilty you all feel about the 4% hit to GDP that Brexit has brought us. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2023 11:41:03 GMT
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2023 12:18:05 GMT
FFS another post repeating the vaccine lie
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Post by patman post on Feb 5, 2023 13:33:44 GMT
The UK placed its orders for Covid vaccines and approved and delivered its first jabs in 2020.
At the time it still hadn’t left the EU. Therefore, vaccine orders, approvals, and delivery was completely independent of any EU intervention or tut-tutting.
The one claim that could have legs re Brexit and Covid, is that Johnson and his Brexiteer government were so determined to “get Brexit done”, they took their eye off the Covid threat. Eventually this resulted in the panic that caused the Johnson administration to throw billions at combatting Covid — some of which was highly effective, while the rest was wasted….
PS — I still think it’s appropriate to ask in reference to the opening post: Have we seen and been affected positively by any of these benefits as listed above?
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2023 17:42:20 GMT
The UK placed its orders for Covid vaccines and approved and delivered its first jabs in 2020. At the time it still hadn’t left the EU. Therefore, vaccine orders, approvals, and delivery was completely independent of any EU intervention or tut-tutting.
The one claim that could have legs re Brexit and Covid, is that Johnson and his Brexiteer government were so determined to “get Brexit done”, they took their eye off the Covid threat. Eventually this resulted in the panic that caused the Johnson administration to throw billions at combatting Covid — some of which was highly effective, while the rest was wasted…. PS — I still think it’s appropriate to ask in reference to the opening post: Have we seen and been affected positively by any of these benefits as listed above? Had the UK not voted to leave the EU in 2016 it is inconceivable that the UK would have failed to join the EU vaccine program when Covid appeared. Any politician's in Government who were in favour of remaining in the EU would certainly not have 'gone our own way' - you only have to look at the avalanche of criticism from those politicians when we decided not to join the EU program. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2023 17:59:33 GMT
Had the UK not voted to leave the EU in 2016 it is inconceivable that the UK would have failed to join the EU vaccine program when Covid appeared. Any politician's in Government who were in favour of remaining in the EU would certainly not have 'gone our own way' - you only have to look at the avalanche of criticism from those politicians when we decided not to join the EU program. Absolute rubbish, just a wild arsed supposition to support a self serving narrative. The fact is the UK had a long history of opting out of EU defaults so no reason why they wouldn't have over vaccines just like most EU countries did. And then there's that had we voted Remain in 2016 by 2020 we'd have had all sorts of rows with EU nations. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 5, 2023 19:33:13 GMT
Had the UK not voted to leave the EU in 2016 it is inconceivable that the UK would have failed to join the EU vaccine program when Covid appeared. Any politician's in Government who were in favour of remaining in the EU would certainly not have 'gone our own way' - you only have to look at the avalanche of criticism from those politicians when we decided not to join the EU program. Absolute rubbish, just a wild arsed supposition to support a self serving narrative. The fact is the UK had a long history of opting out of EU defaults so no reason why they wouldn't have over vaccines just like most EU countries did. And then there's that had we voted Remain in 2016 by 2020 we'd have had all sorts of rows with EU nations. Total BOLLOCKS.....The EUSSR were not satisfied with blocking any attempts at changes put forward from our country and were delighted in not only fucking refusing to change but to humiliate our own democratically elected PM...None of those wankers were never elected by the over 400 plus million they dictate too......FFS and you want to be a part of that....Feel free to fuck of to your beloved EUSSR as nobody will miss you or your ilk. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2023 19:41:52 GMT
Had we stayed in the EU by democratic vote in 2016 we'd have ended up with pro EU government and an impetus to be more involved.
So, we'd have joined the joint procurement programme. We'd be involved in common sanctions against Putin rather than independent.
Lots of things we're now doing ourselves, would have been done via the EU, and we would still have the crappy CAP.
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Post by Steve on Feb 5, 2023 21:15:49 GMT
 You in that 'Project Look What We'll Pretend We Saved You From' club do lie spinning your yarns don't you. But if you think they or you are credible, think again. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 5, 2023 21:23:32 GMT
Let's stick to the facts of what happened. That way lying should be mitigated. The UK set up its own Covid 19 task force to procure vaccines and did not join the EU’s vaccine procurement strategy.[ii]
The UK’s roll out was faster than the EU’s. The UK provided a first vaccination to more than 40% of its population, whereas the EU was stuck around 12-14% in March 2021.[iii] The UK also funded the development of the Oxford, AstraZeneca vaccine, which was passed for use in the UK’s medical agency before it was passed in the EU. As a cheap vaccine requiring no refrigeration, this vaccine then became used in more countries than any other vaccine.So still pushing that lie eh buccaneer? There was no compulsion on EU states to join the EU vaccine scheme so in or out the UK had that freedom so 'set up its own vaccine task force'That you and that tawdry 'briefings for britain' pretend otherwise just shows how guilty you all feel about the 4% hit to GDP that Brexit has brought us. I've already asked you to demonstrate how Brexit has caused a hit in GDP. Unsurprisingly, you ran away from this challenge. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 5, 2023 21:24:56 GMT
You in that 'Project Look What We'll Pretend We Saved You From' club do lie spinning your yarns don't you. But if you think they or you are credible, think again. You certainly aren't credible. I see you've also tried to pass those graphs off on your own forum as a Brexit issue. And a poster on there has already called you out on it. |
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Post by jonksy on Feb 5, 2023 21:27:15 GMT
You in that 'Project Look What We'll Pretend We Saved You From' club do lie spinning your yarns don't you. But if you think they or you are credible, think again. You certainly aren't credible. I see you've also tried to pass those graphs off on your own forum as a Brexit issue. And a poster on there has already called you out on it. Nothing a red triangle can't fix.....LOL........Or was it Ewill who called the tosser out? |
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