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Post by buccaneer on Feb 6, 2023 11:30:00 GMT
Usual dishonesty. 2014 - 2023. For 6 of those years the UK was tied to the EU. Have another go supporting your claim with evidence this time, and without the correlation equals causation, so it must be Brexit claim. The UK investment was cut back once the vote loomed and especially after it, even a buccing idiot knows that. But then even a buccing idiot would know that it's dishonest to disown the 2019-22 figures on page 1 of this thread and then claim it's dishonest to be given the longer term position. But as you insist on the 2019-22 comparison we're still doing worse UK: 9.5% Eurozone: 10.5% and a reminder, worse compared to others And yet, even a fucking idiot knows there are a plethora of reasons for that. Not just Brexit you dishonest git.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 6, 2023 11:38:47 GMT
I find it worrying that a large company in the UK that makes batteries in market that can't get enough if them, and into which the government had invested 100 million in 2022, last year, has had to close and sell to an Australian company. The £100 million government funding was dependent on the company securing investment from the markets - it failed to secure that investment which is why the Government did not release the £100 million - and why the company fell into administration.
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2023 11:51:22 GMT
Oh the irony You reject the short term view then when you're shown the longer term view you say that's unfair and your first and foremost supposed gain was to position the lie about vaccines. Face it buccy Brexit makes no sense from an economic point of view, very much the opposite. One year maybe the labour market will show a positive but don't hold your breath this side of 2030. And BTW you'll have to wait til 2065 for us to stop sending the EU money. The only current positive is the emotional one for those saddoes obsessed with the like of vacuum cleaner power regulations.
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 6, 2023 16:35:02 GMT
Because today those who trade with the EU have higher costs and have had to raise prices or go out of business. This adds to the pay rises that public sector workers need to pay for what they used to afford, and that requires more public government money from taxpayers. Remember one part of the 2019 Tory manifesto promises no rise in National Insurance, VAT or income tax. So the government has also had to raise corporation tax, another burden on business which squeezes any meaningful pay rises, causing employees to work harder to fill the loss of workers due to Brexit and accrue higher income taxes for the extra work they have to do. The extra work by traders as I said costs money so profits are lower and companies pay less tax on profits (while paying more corporation tax) so the treasury collects less money due to a lower GDP, caused by less trade, caused by Brexit. All this adds to inflation which the BoE damps down by discouraging consuming by raising the interest rate so people don't invest or move. Which further slows down growth and investment. I find it worrying that a large company in the UK that makes batteries in market that can't get enough if them, and into which the government had invested 100 million in 2022, last year, has had to close and sell to an Australian company. www.bbc.com/news/business-64303149Brexit promised internal support for a high wage, high progressive technical economy and has once again failed. www.business-live.co.uk/manufacturing/britishvolt-sold-australian-firm-recharge-26164878Brexit was going to level up the North and south. Not only has this failure damaged that but HS2 is shrinking annually. The country cannot afford Brexit even though the government has put taxes up as much as possible, without causing inflation. If Brexit had not happened, trade with the EU would be truly far less expensive, companies would still be in business and the historical international investment would still exist, bringing in tax revenue and growth that used to be normal. And once again proves sovereignty does not mean you can do what you want. It depends greatly on what other countries do. What a load of rubbish. Taxes have risen due to furlough schemes and post-covid recovery. Taxes have risen to the highest level in Europe, which also ran such schemes, because of corrupt government procurement but also because even before 2020 everyone know global interest rates had to go up. And because since all the unwanted went home, productivity already low, sank even further from lack of workers but also because Brexit put so many companies out of business. And because no one wants to invest in the country that is now an international and completely unreliable joke.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 6, 2023 20:09:41 GMT
Oh the irony You reject the short term view then when you're shown the longer term view you say that's unfair and your first and foremost supposed gain was to position the lie about vaccines. Face it buccy Brexit makes no sense from an economic point of view, very much the opposite. One year maybe the labour market will show a positive but don't hold your breath this side of 2030. And BTW you'll have to wait til 2065 for us to stop sending the EU money. The only current positive is the emotional one for those saddoes obsessed with the like of vacuum cleaner power regulations. All you have shown is a graph. You need to show why that graph is the way it is. Shouting 'it's cause of Brexit innit' doesn't cut the mustard.
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2023 20:28:33 GMT
No I don't. Your 'doth protest too much' antics show you know it's probably linked.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 6, 2023 20:46:44 GMT
No I don't. Your 'doth protest too much' antics show you know it's probably linked. So your claim is baseless and nothing more than opinion. Excuse me, if I or anyone else doesn't take your opinion seriously.
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2023 20:50:14 GMT
No I don't. Your 'doth protest too much' antics show you know it's probably linked. Fuck me are you still here preaching the bullshit gospel from Steve the messiah? The only one who is complaining is you because we chose to leave your beloved EUSSR...
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2023 20:54:45 GMT
No I don't. Your 'doth protest too much' antics show you know it's probably linked. Fuck me are you still here preaching the bullshit gospel from Steve the messiah? The only one who is complaining is you because we chose to leave your beloved EUSSR... Pratting on about that imaginary 'EUSSR' again?
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2023 20:58:56 GMT
No I don't. Your 'doth protest too much' antics show you know it's probably linked. So your claim is baseless and nothing more than opinion. Excuse me, if I or anyone else doesn't take your opinion seriously. Like I could care less what you think. Your daft c&p OP and subsequent posts in this thread show over and over how worried you are that Brexit has turned out just like you were told it would: bad economically. You don't like that the recorded figures show high correlation of bad news with Brexit, well buccing tough.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 6, 2023 21:03:56 GMT
So your claim is baseless and nothing more than opinion. Excuse me, if I or anyone else doesn't take your opinion seriously. Like I could care less what you think. Your daft c&p OP and subsequent posts in this thread show over and over how worried you are that Brexit has turned out just like you were told it would: bad economically. You don't like that the recorded figures show high correlation of bad news with Brexit, well buccing tough. It doesn't bother me. Your opinion that correlation equals causation is baseless and therefore not worthy of serious discussion. Moving on...
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2023 21:08:49 GMT
Fuck me are you still here preaching the bullshit gospel from Steve the messiah? The only one who is complaining is you because we chose to leave your beloved EUSSR... Pratting on about that imaginary 'EUSSR' again? Nothing imaginary about it.....Who the fuck in their right mind would want their lives controlled by a bunch of faceless and unaccountable and unelected arseholes who infest Brussels? Oh wait a minute dumfshits would...
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2023 21:17:31 GMT
No such 'EUSSR' exists Jonksy, it's a complete figment of your sad imagination. Seems you forgot how you were challenged elsewhere about this delusion of yours and fell flat on your face.
Still at least you can tell the Guinness Book of Records about your 'chewing through the straps' ability
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Post by jonksy on Feb 6, 2023 21:20:54 GMT
No such 'EUSSR' exists Jonksy, it's a complete figment of your sad imagination. Seems you forgot how you were challenged elsewhere about this delusion of yours and fell flat on your face. Still at least you can tell the Guinness Book of Records about your 'chewing through the straps' ability Fuck off and grow a pair......You are way outa your depth whithout the aid of your hand-picked trolls and quaint little bullshit red triangle...
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Post by Steve on Feb 6, 2023 21:28:13 GMT
If that is your best shot then
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