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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 27, 2023 18:05:49 GMT
Well I’m sorry but the sight of sunak and that bloody EU woman grinning like great white sharks leaves me with the unshakeable feeling that Fishy Rishi has sold the six counties down the river.
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Post by thomas on Feb 28, 2023 8:01:40 GMT
When a terrorist is actively shooting people, the Police must actively shoot them. Get it? There isn't going to be an "Excuse me Sir you're nicked" moment. It's kill or be killed. There is gun crime involving shootings across the cities of scotland and england , and the police normally dont have to become judge jury and executioner only as a last resort. This isnt the wild west of that madhouse that is the USA.
Sorry but my take on criminal justice , along with just about every other walk of life is different from you right wingers in englandshire.
Now if you will excuse me vinny im going to get back on topic away from your latest knee jerk scream of outrage.
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Post by thomas on Feb 28, 2023 8:03:43 GMT
Well I’m sorry but the sight of sunak and that bloody EU woman grinning like great white sharks leaves me with the unshakeable feeling that Fishy Rishi has sold the six counties down the river. im sure as things unfold we will find more about sunaks "deal". It does at first glance come across as rearranging the deck chairs with a few minor concessions. The dup as ever appear to be saying no.........that expected.
What struck me is mr brexiter himself , steve baker , championing sunaks BRINO deal for northern ireland. Is this the rats starting to desert the sinking brexiter ship?
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 8:11:11 GMT
There are instances where the Police have had to shoot armed criminals. Mark Duggan for example.
And if the UVF go back to violence, and the situation requires a kill shot, then I have no problem with the Police shooting members of the UVF. You may call that "right wing" I call it common sense. And if Scottish terrorism ever returned, as it did in the 1970s in a very small way, I would say the same.
Dead terrorists can't hurt anyone.
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Post by thomas on Feb 28, 2023 8:32:55 GMT
Dead terrorists can't hurt anyone. Thank christ non of the uk nations have the death penalty , and thank christ people like you will never get to bring it back. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 28, 2023 9:39:36 GMT
There are situations where the death penalty would be absolutely justified.  He'd be first to dangle if I had my way. |
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Post by thomas on Mar 1, 2023 16:28:21 GMT
Has the NIP been solved? ............Nope.
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Post by Vinny on Mar 1, 2023 18:05:28 GMT
Is the EU an honourable trading partner ? No.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 3, 2023 18:55:40 GMT
The tricky part of this as i see it is that the trade leaving N.I and towards the EU / Ireland will be the flashpoint.
What might happen is unscrupulous Brit business might decide they can get their produce into the EU without customs charges via N.I.
Ths is is why the EU might have a say if the trade going through that border suddenly changes its nature suddenly.
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 3, 2023 22:25:59 GMT
The tricky part of this as i see it is that the trade leaving N.I and towards the EU / Ireland will be the flashpoint. What might happen is unscrupulous Brit business might decide they can get their produce into the EU without customs charges via N.I. Ths is is why the EU might have a say if the trade going through that border suddenly changes its nature suddenly. Thats actually the good part - the new agreement confirms that it is the EU that are responsible for policing their border. So if they suspect smuggling into Eire it's up to them to deal with it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 4, 2023 0:15:08 GMT
The tricky part of this as i see it is that the trade leaving N.I and towards the EU / Ireland will be the flashpoint. What might happen is unscrupulous Brit business might decide they can get their produce into the EU without customs charges via N.I. Ths is is why the EU might have a say if the trade going through that border suddenly changes its nature suddenly. Thats actually the good part - the new agreement confirms that it is the EU that are responsible for policing their border. So if they suspect smuggling into Eire it's up to them to deal with it. Yes, and they will do that unilaterally closing the 'green lane' off to British businesses moving goods to N.Ireland and make everything go through the 'red lane'. Their responsibility will just allow them to place onerous, laborious and harsh measures onto British trade until Britain rectifies their problem to their satisfaction. |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 4, 2023 8:00:16 GMT
Thats actually the good part - the new agreement confirms that it is the EU that are responsible for policing their border. So if they suspect smuggling into Eire it's up to them to deal with it. Yes, and they will do that unilaterally closing the 'green lane' off to British businesses moving goods to N.Ireland and make everything go through the 'red lane'. Their responsibility will just allow them to place onerous, laborious and harsh measures onto British trade until Britain rectifies their problem to their satisfaction. Then we go back to the situation we have today and we introduce a Northern Ireland Protocol Bill to unilaterally scrap controls. Smuggling has always happened across the border and it has always been the responsibility of Eire to control smuggling into their jurisdiction - which is why they occasionally set up checkpoints on the border. The new agreement simply confirms what has always been the case. |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 4, 2023 8:22:36 GMT
Yes, and they will do that unilaterally closing the 'green lane' off to British businesses moving goods to N.Ireland and make everything go through the 'red lane'. Their responsibility will just allow them to place onerous, laborious and harsh measures onto British trade until Britain rectifies their problem to their satisfaction. Smuggling has always happened across the border and it has always been the responsibility of Eire to control smuggling into their jurisdiction - which is why they occasionally set up checkpoints on the border. The new agreement simply confirms what has always been the case. That won't happen under this government, never mind a Labour one. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 4, 2023 9:18:24 GMT
The tricky part of this as i see it is that the trade leaving N.I and towards the EU / Ireland will be the flashpoint. What might happen is unscrupulous Brit business might decide they can get their produce into the EU without customs charges via N.I. Ths is is why the EU might have a say if the trade going through that border suddenly changes its nature suddenly. Thats actually the good part - the new agreement confirms that it is the EU that are responsible for policing their border. So if they suspect smuggling into Eire it's up to them to deal with it. I read the latest paperwork very differently The government website hosted copy of the Windsor Agreement states repeatedly that it falls to the exporter to prove their goods will remain north of the border. The burden of proof and the pain in the arse it brings will never fall on the republic at this rate |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 4, 2023 11:07:18 GMT
I just listened to a politician from Northern Ireland on Talk TV who summed up the so called Windsor Framework quite nicely. He said, in a nutshell; the Windsor Framework keeps NI in the EU single market and under the jurisdiction of the ECJ.
He went on to say that Sunak has made a very big deal out of the Stormont Brake, yet the EU say it may only be used in very exceptional circumstances, and who decides what very exceptional circumstances are? He also said something that was quite telling and thus far no one I've heard has mentioned this.
He said the Windsor Framework was designed to look good, to get people on board without making any real changes to the protocol and that's because the Withdrawal Agreement specifically states that any future negotiations must not fundamentally change the terms of the protocol which is a binding part of the withdrawal agreement.
Essentially, the EU futureproofed the protocol by ensuring the UK could never take Northern Ireland out of the jurisdiction the ECJ or the EU single market. In short, the Windsor Framework is a complete smokescreen. And Sunak knows it.
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