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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 20:23:25 GMT
im not worreid about anyone bentley.
This is a thread regarding the northern ireland protocol , and wider brexit. We are simply discussing how things are developing , the the uk governments move to shaft english brexiters as they have already shafted norn irish unionists.
Pretty much as farage and many others have continually said.
I thought the UK government was shafting Scottish remainers…if the constant whining is anything to go by . They are. We want them to shaft scottish remainers.
On top of that , we are laughing they are shafting brexiters as well. On top of not fully delivering brexit some 7 years after it was voted on .
Today we also read of secret talks by labour and tory politicians to sort brexit out and see how they can fool the brexiters into believing brexit is done while they conjure up some brino that wont destroy both labour and tory parties in england.
So its all bubbling along nicely.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 12, 2023 20:30:43 GMT
I thought the UK government was shafting Scottish remainers…if the constant whining is anything to go by . They are. We want them to shaft scottish remainers.
On top of that , we are laughing they are shafting brexiters as well. On top of not fully delivering brexit some 7 years after it was voted on .
Today we also read of secret talks by labour and tory politicians to sort brexit out and see how they can fool the brexiters into believing brexit is done while they conjure up some brino that wont destroy both labour and tory parties in england.
So its all bubbling along nicely.
I think we all knew NI was going to be a problem . The UK might just solve the problems with the EU in time for Scotland to leave the union . |
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 20:35:54 GMT
They are. We want them to shaft scottish remainers.
On top of that , we are laughing they are shafting brexiters as well. On top of not fully delivering brexit some 7 years after it was voted on .
Today we also read of secret talks by labour and tory politicians to sort brexit out and see how they can fool the brexiters into believing brexit is done while they conjure up some brino that wont destroy both labour and tory parties in england.
So its all bubbling along nicely.
I think we all knew NI was going to be a problem . The UK might just solve the problems with the EU in time for Scotland to leave the union . i think we did. I mind it being a topic of discussion on another forum back in 2015/2016 as the brexit debate hotted up just before the vote. I even had one numpty on another forum tell me with a straight face northern ireland wasnt in the union .
How we laughed.
Ive said repeatedly you can see the direction of travel and decline of unionism in northern ireland. Unionists first lost control of stormont in 2017 , first time that had happened in a century. We now have a de facto sinn fein first minister .
The only way this will be solved is when they have a border poll and vote either way. As i said to you , that doesnt look like happening in the near future , so the tories are goig to kick the can down the road , and let the northern irish vote o nthe protocol. If not , a starmer labour government will solve it by taking the rest of us back in behind the brussells bike sheds.
Long way to go yet.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 12, 2023 20:41:43 GMT
I think we all knew NI was going to be a problem . The UK might just solve the problems with the EU in time for Scotland to leave the union . i think we did. I mind it being a topic of discussion on another forum back in 2015/2016 as the brexit debate hotted up just before the vote. I even had one numpty on another forum tell me with a straight face northern ireland wasnt in the union .
How we laughed.
Ive said repeatedly you can see the direction of travel and decline of unionism in northern ireland. Unionists first lost control of stormont in 2017 , first time that had happened in a century. We now have a de facto sinn fein first minister .
The only way this will be solved is when they have a border poll and vote either way. As i said to you , that doesnt look like happening in the near future , so the tories are goig to kick the can down the road , and let the northern irish vote o nthe protocol. If not , a starmer labour government will solve it by taking the rest of us back in behind the brussells bike sheds.
Long way to go yet.
Back to the Brussels bike sheds while Scotland decides to walk . |
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 20:46:58 GMT
i think we did. I mind it being a topic of discussion on another forum back in 2015/2016 as the brexit debate hotted up just before the vote. I even had one numpty on another forum tell me with a straight face northern ireland wasnt in the union .
How we laughed.
Ive said repeatedly you can see the direction of travel and decline of unionism in northern ireland. Unionists first lost control of stormont in 2017 , first time that had happened in a century. We now have a de facto sinn fein first minister .
The only way this will be solved is when they have a border poll and vote either way. As i said to you , that doesnt look like happening in the near future , so the tories are goig to kick the can down the road , and let the northern irish vote o nthe protocol. If not , a starmer labour government will solve it by taking the rest of us back in behind the brussells bike sheds.
Long way to go yet.
Back to the Brussels bike sheds while Scotland decides to walk . not sure what you mean mate. The hope of labour and other unionist parties will be of course by taking the uk back into some BRINO relationship , it somewhat mitigates both the scottish and northern irish problem . The problem there is of course the english public who by majority voted for brexit will not be happy their democratic wishes are pissed on to keep the union together.
And of course it makes england/uk look hilariously weak internationally.
Looks like a right gordian knot of epic proportions the westmisnter elite have to try and unravel.
Meanwhile tory support continues to plummet , starmer looks like taking power at the next election , and i suppose the only ones that might be happy will be parties like reform who should benefit form tory implosion.
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Post by Steve on Feb 12, 2023 21:15:50 GMT
The assertion that the Northern Ireland Protocol is contrary to the Union Act 1800 will be adjudicated upon, announcement due on Wednesday 8th February. I doubt that Ben Habib and co. will be successful, otherwise it could affect the current negotiations. Well as you say unsurprisingly they dismissed the appeal Hard read: www.supremecourt.uk/cases/docs/uksc-2022-0089-0093-judgment.pdfEasier read: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64558530A very contrived decision and wrong IMHO even though the immediate outcome is one I'd prefer. Effectively they've ruled that in any conflict, an Act of Parliament always has precedence over any prior Act even if it didn't explicitly say so and that's a dangerous precedent because MPs have to be clearly aware of what they are voting on. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 12, 2023 21:19:06 GMT
Back to the Brussels bike sheds while Scotland decides to walk . not sure what you mean mate. The hope of labour and other unionist parties will be of course by taking the uk back into some BRINO relationship , it somewhat mitigates both the scottish and northern irish problem . The problem there is of course the english public who by majority voted for brexit will not be happy their democratic wishes are pissed on to keep the union together.
And of course it makes england/uk look hilariously weak internationally.
Looks like a right gordian knot of epic proportions the westmisnter elite have to try and unravel.
Meanwhile tory support continues to plummet , starmer looks like taking power at the next election , and i suppose the only ones that might be happy will be parties like reform who should benefit form tory implosion.
I don’t think a closer relationship with the EU will make the UK look weak. I think the world and his wife knows that the UK establishment is anti Brexit . |
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Post by thomas on Feb 13, 2023 7:42:22 GMT
not sure what you mean mate. The hope of labour and other unionist parties will be of course by taking the uk back into some BRINO relationship , it somewhat mitigates both the scottish and northern irish problem . The problem there is of course the english public who by majority voted for brexit will not be happy their democratic wishes are pissed on to keep the union together.
And of course it makes england/uk look hilariously weak internationally.
Looks like a right gordian knot of epic proportions the westmisnter elite have to try and unravel.
Meanwhile tory support continues to plummet , starmer looks like taking power at the next election , and i suppose the only ones that might be happy will be parties like reform who should benefit form tory implosion.
I don’t think a closer relationship with the EU will make the UK look weak. I think the world and his wife knows that the UK establishment is anti Brexit . define closer relationship? I mean we are going back to the days just after the original brexit vote in 2016 to the GE2019 here. All the different relationships the uk could have had with the EU , and at every stage , the brexiter red lines appeared to scupper any relationship.
Lets repeat what was said for the millionth time. The closer the relatinship , the more EU rules and laws you take on board , the very thing that was anathema to brexiters.
If you now toss aside your red lines , of course it will make the uk look extremely weak internationally. In facy you will be a fucking laughing stock.
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Post by thomas on Feb 13, 2023 7:46:23 GMT
The assertion that the Northern Ireland Protocol is contrary to the Union Act 1800 will be adjudicated upon, announcement due on Wednesday 8th February. I doubt that Ben Habib and co. will be successful, otherwise it could affect the current negotiations. A very contrived decision and wrong IMHO even though the immediate outcome is one I'd prefer. Effectively they've ruled that in any conflict, an Act of Parliament always has precedence over any prior Act even if it didn't explicitly say so and that's a dangerous precedent because MPs have to be clearly aware of what they are voting on. with respect , this has been a bedrock of english constitutional law as far back as you can go. No current parliament can bind a future parliament.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 13, 2023 8:14:23 GMT
I don’t think a closer relationship with the EU will make the UK look weak. I think the world and his wife knows that the UK establishment is anti Brexit . define closer relationship? I mean we are going back to the days just after the original brexit vote in 2016 to the GE2019 here. All the different relationships the uk could have had with the EU , and at every stage , the brexiter red lines appeared to scupper any relationship.
Lets repeat what was said for the millionth time. The closer the relatinship , the more EU rules and laws you take on board , the very thing that was anathema to brexiters.
If you now toss aside your red lines , of course it will make the uk look extremely weak internationally. In facy you will be a fucking laughing stock.
The UK is no more ‘ brexiters’ than it is ‘ remainers’ . It is a nation. If the UK government decides to have closer relations with the EU then yes we will take on more EU rules. This will be seen as pragmatism not weakness because of the reason that I pointed out in the first sentence…and while this is happening the Scot Nats will be voting Scotland out in the cold , neither in the EU or the UK and having to apply for membership of the EU. I think that’s why some Scot Nats are desperate to see the UK getting closer to the EU as a failure . 😉 |
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Post by thomas on Feb 13, 2023 8:21:15 GMT
define closer relationship? I mean we are going back to the days just after the original brexit vote in 2016 to the GE2019 here. All the different relationships the uk could have had with the EU , and at every stage , the brexiter red lines appeared to scupper any relationship.
Lets repeat what was said for the millionth time. The closer the relatinship , the more EU rules and laws you take on board , the very thing that was anathema to brexiters.
If you now toss aside your red lines , of course it will make the uk look extremely weak internationally. In facy you will be a fucking laughing stock.
The UK is no more ‘ brexiters’ than it is ‘ remainers’ . It is a nation. If the UK government decides to have closer relations with the EU then yes we will take on more EU rules. This will be seen as pragmatism not weakness because of the reason that I pointed out in the first sentence…and while this is happening the Scot Nats will be voting Scotland out in the cold , neither in the EU or the UK and having to apply for membership of the EU. I think that’s why some Scot Nats are desperate to see the UK getting closer to the EU as a failure . 😉 the uk is a multi national state. Its not a nation. Its not homogenous. It doesnt even have a fucking native language FFS . You speak english not british.
As for the nub of your post , its not me pointing out the uk looking weak and getting closer to the eu as a failure. Its your man farage talking about the tory government selling out brexit.
When the ERG and people like farage and tice start screaming about the brexit sell out , are you trying to imply its all one big scottish nationalist plot to undermine little england?
We really are through the looking glass now bentley. blaming the jocks when you crawl back to begging the EU isnt going to save you mate from international ridicule. We will be singing on the terraces everytime we play engerlund no surrender to the EU .The French will be giving you large gallic smiles at the rugby and waving the EU flag .
It will be an absolute hysterical watching it.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 13, 2023 9:02:19 GMT
The UK is no more ‘ brexiters’ than it is ‘ remainers’ . It is a nation. If the UK government decides to have closer relations with the EU then yes we will take on more EU rules. This will be seen as pragmatism not weakness because of the reason that I pointed out in the first sentence…and while this is happening the Scot Nats will be voting Scotland out in the cold , neither in the EU or the UK and having to apply for membership of the EU. I think that’s why some Scot Nats are desperate to see the UK getting closer to the EU as a failure . 😉 the uk is a multi national state. Its not a nation. Its not homogenous. It doesnt even have a fucking native language FFS . You speak english not british.
As for the nub of your post , its not me pointing out the uk looking weak and getting closer to the eu as a failure. Its your man farage talking about the tory government selling out brexit.
When the ERG and people like farage and tice start screaming about the brexit sell out , are you trying to imply its all one big scottish nationalist plot to undermine little england?
We really are through the looking glass now bentley. blaming the jocks when you crawl back to begging the EU isnt going to save you mate from international ridicule. We will be singing on the terraces everytime we play engerlund no surrender to the EU .The French will be giving you large gallic smiles at the rugby and waving the EU flag .
It will be an absolute hysterical watching it.
The UK is a nation . The has a common language ..English . Farage isn’t my man but he seems to have the Scot Nats hanging on every word. Ironic eh? No one blames the Scot’s for anything . They are not important enough. Here we have a Scot Nat who whines about the UK leaving the EU and at the same time inventing a situation where the UK is trying to crawl back. If the UK manages to ‘ crawl back’ into the EU and then Scotland leaves the UK(and therefore the EU) that would be hysterical..if your mind was that petty. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 13, 2023 10:31:50 GMT
A very contrived decision and wrong IMHO even though the immediate outcome is one I'd prefer. Effectively they've ruled that in any conflict, an Act of Parliament always has precedence over any prior Act even if it didn't explicitly say so and that's a dangerous precedent because MPs have to be clearly aware of what they are voting on. with respect , this has been a bedrock of english constitutional law as far back as you can go. No current parliament can bind a future parliament.
That's a different point I agree no government can stop a later government repealing or amending its Acts but such later government has to be clear it is doing so. The government made no clear amendment of the Act of Union so (much as I hate to say this) this time the DUP were right. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 13, 2023 11:04:18 GMT
define closer relationship? I mean we are going back to the days just after the original brexit vote in 2016 to the GE2019 here. All the different relationships the uk could have had with the EU , and at every stage , the brexiter red lines appeared to scupper any relationship.
Lets repeat what was said for the millionth time. The closer the relatinship , the more EU rules and laws you take on board , the very thing that was anathema to brexiters.
If you now toss aside your red lines , of course it will make the uk look extremely weak internationally. In facy you will be a fucking laughing stock.
The UK is no more ‘ brexiters’ than it is ‘ remainers’ . It is a nation. If the UK government decides to have closer relations with the EU then yes we will take on more EU rules. This will be seen as pragmatism not weakness because of the reason that I pointed out in the first sentence…and while this is happening the Scot Nats will be voting Scotland out in the cold , neither in the EU or the UK and having to apply for membership of the EU. I think that’s why some Scot Nats are desperate to see the UK getting closer to the EU as a failure . 😉 Disagree. It will be a humiliating demonstration of weakness that shows the UK government, politicians and the blob aka civil service lack the nous, competency, confidence and slightest inclination of how to run an independent nation like other countries all round the world. The civil service and most politicians will show they're addicted to others co-governing their nation and don't have a clue how to run a nation without interlopers telling them what's best for them. They will show this nation sold its soul to a Franco-German vision over 40 years ago, and became hooked on managed decline taking orders from Brussels. It would be a fucking sell out. |
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Post by Steve on Feb 13, 2023 11:18:07 GMT
Critical market mass factors mean our main companies have always and will always have to comply with EU and USA product and service rules but now we have no way to influence them and have lost all the exemptions we had.
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