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Post by thomas on Feb 2, 2023 18:23:25 GMT
strange reply bentley. Every one of us on here speculates.
I want scottish independence and a scottish government.
Sorry but this made me laugh mate. Are you implying that us jocks are deliberately making westmisnter govern england badly to gain independence?
When westminster shoots itself in the foot bentley , the only people to blame are your own politicians and those who elects them. You have spent the last 40 years blaming europeans and the EU/EEC for englands decline and loss of empire , now three years on , out of the EU , its the jocks fault for England having shite politicans , shite political parties and being the only country in europe with a dodgy two party fptp stitch up of a system.
England problems with governance go far far deeper than jocks taffs paddies or foreigners across the watter.
Of course they speculate . Not strange to remind point it out when it occurs . The sentence never suggested that . I’m not sure how you came to think it did . Im not sure how you came to convince yourself that anyone blamed the EU for the Uks loss of empire . We lost that long before we joined. Im not sure how you think the empire was only England’s . Scotland was complicit in every aspect . You seem to be making things up , well you don’t seem to be , you are . so what do you mean about an incompetent westminster government and the scottish taking advantage?
Are you suggesting we should look a gift horse in the mouth?
Who was that irish guy who famously said englands difficulty is irelands opportunity?
You vote in muppets continuously to your parliament , they wreck your country and ours , and then you complain the scots irish or welsh are taking advantage of the mess you make at the ballot box when you vote in incompetents?
Get a grip bentley.
I didnt vote brexit , you did own it.
I didnt vote the northern irish protocol , the party your country elected brought it in , own it.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 2, 2023 18:31:46 GMT
Of course they speculate . Not strange to remind point it out when it occurs . The sentence never suggested that . I’m not sure how you came to think it did . Im not sure how you came to convince yourself that anyone blamed the EU for the Uks loss of empire . We lost that long before we joined. Im not sure how you think the empire was only England’s . Scotland was complicit in every aspect . You seem to be making things up , well you don’t seem to be , you are . so what do you mean about an incompetent westminster government and the scottish taking advantage?
Are you suggesting we should look a gift horse in the mouth?
Who was that irish guy who famously said englands difficulty is irelands opportunity?
You vote in muppets continuously to your parliament , they wreck your country and ours , and then you complain the scots irish or welsh are taking advantage of the mess you make at the ballot box when you vote in incompetents?
Get a grip bentley.
I didnt vote brexit , you did own it.
I didnt vote the northern irish protocol , the party your country elected brought it in , own it.
I dont blame you for it but we need to see it as it is . Every comment you make about the Westminster government is through the Scot Indy lens. Your pessimism regarding the Tories is in reality Scot Indy optimism. You are the Chameleon in the group tut tutting about how the Westminster government hurts us all but in reality you want them too. I regret nothing . As I said before , Scotland could walk away tomorrow and I don’t think the English would be too bothered . When the NI problem is resolved I hope you are not too disappointed. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2023 20:44:33 GMT
The assertion that the Northern Ireland Protocol is contrary to the Union Act 1800 will be adjudicated upon, announcement due on Wednesday 8th February.
I doubt that Ben Habib and co. will be successful, otherwise it could affect the current negotiations.
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2023 7:34:10 GMT
so what do you mean about an incompetent westminster government and the scottish taking advantage?
Are you suggesting we should look a gift horse in the mouth?
Who was that irish guy who famously said englands difficulty is irelands opportunity?
You vote in muppets continuously to your parliament , they wreck your country and ours , and then you complain the scots irish or welsh are taking advantage of the mess you make at the ballot box when you vote in incompetents?
Get a grip bentley.
I didnt vote brexit , you did own it.
I didnt vote the northern irish protocol , the party your country elected brought it in , own it.
I dont blame you for it but we need to see it as it is . We are trying to see it as it is , and im offering you a different perspective rather then the brexiter jerk circle of nodding heads.
What a strange comment. Im scottish , hold my own political views on many things including scottish independence , dont support westmisnter and the main parties but accept the reality they are unfortunately in control of scotland. How else do you want me to talk about things?
Its like me stating the obvious that every comment you make on brussells is through the english independence lens? What a mad thing to say!
Again im scratching my head here in disbelief. You call it pessimism , i call it a reality check of where politics is at westmisnter and the state of the uk under the tories , who control the majority of levers of the economy.
Secondly , although im not a tory , you could argue scotland has been pessimistic , or rather has seen the tories for what they are for the best part of the last 70 years.
Finally ,of course im optimistic about scottish independence. ive supported scottish independence since my school days in the eighties.
you are descending into a parrallel reality bentley. Im openly supportive of scot independence, and dont vote tory , havent voted labour for years , and voice my displeasure , like many others all over the uk , about westmisnter misgovernance.
How is that being a chameleon?
As for the last bit , with respect are you on drugs ?
i respect tht. Good for you stick by your guns and carry on supporting brexit. As for the final bit , again brilliant. England could do so much better on its own without all the infighting. Stop all this silly calling yourself british , get behind st georges flag and stnad on your own two feet and be proud of who you are and your lovely country.
The only people stopping that are the westmisnter elites.
i wont be mate. Three years and counting and still not resolution of the gordian knot. Take them out , nationalists kick off , your bosses in washington slap your hand. Keep them in the protocol , unionists kick off , brexiters get all upset.
ive got plenty of popcorn. The ball is in your court.
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2023 7:37:47 GMT
The assertion that the Northern Ireland Ppprotocol is contrary to the Union Act 1800 will be adjudicated upon, announcement due on Wednesday 8th February. I doubt that Ben Habib and co. will be successful, otherwise it could affect the current negotiations. I have heard that before BIW , that the protocol is contrary to the acts of union. I would also add that i think there is a lot of truth in that.
Westminster though has been breaking the clauses of the acts of union since the day they were written. I stand by the fact that i think it will be left to the stormont vote on the protocol , and nothing else wil happen except tory party press releases and carrot dangling for the brexiter faithfull in the meantime.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 3, 2023 7:58:39 GMT
The assertion that the Northern Ireland Ppprotocol is contrary to the Union Act 1800 will be adjudicated upon, announcement due on Wednesday 8th February. I doubt that Ben Habib and co. will be successful, otherwise it could affect the current negotiations. I have heard that before BIW , that the protocol is contrary to the acts of union. I would also add that i think there is a lot of truth in that.
Westminster though has been breaking the clauses of the acts of union since the day they were written. I stand by the fact that i think it will be left to the stormont vote on the protocol , and nothing else wil happen except tory party press releases and carrot dangling for the brexiter faithfull in the meantime.
Stormont is suspended (and thus not able to vote on anything) and will be until the Unionists get a deal on the Protocol that they can live with. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 3, 2023 8:08:14 GMT
I have heard that before BIW , that the protocol is contrary to the acts of union. I would also add that i think there is a lot of truth in that.
Westminster though has been breaking the clauses of the acts of union since the day they were written. I stand by the fact that i think it will be left to the stormont vote on the protocol , and nothing else wil happen except tory party press releases and carrot dangling for the brexiter faithfull in the meantime.
Stormont is suspended (and thus not able to vote on anything) and will be until the Unionists get a deal on the Protocol that they can live with. i know. It will be interesting to see how this plays out.
Lets remember the uk government itself , with people like james cleverly , has been over trying to force the unionists back into power sharing. Ive no idea on what will happen should stormont not sit and unionists refuse to participate.
I dont think this will magically make the problem disappear though. Until they vote on it , perhaps the stick will be used that the protocol will remain in place ,which may force unionisms hand.
Also , we will be close to general election territory by that time as well. The tories could go all gung ho to win back disafected brexit voters , and end the protocol and take the international fall out fro mwashington brussells and dublin.
Or as i suspect , they could pass the buck to an incoming labour administration , who will of course solve the matter by taking england/uk back into the customs unions and signing us up to BRINO.
I dont think thats going to go down well with 55 million english , the majority of whom at one point were pro brexit , having to go back into the EU in whatever manner to appease 7.5 million northern irish and scottish pro europeans and to keep the onion intact.
Choices choices.
The fact remains we all want different things , and no so called union can survive being pulled in all different directions.
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 3, 2023 10:36:05 GMT
Yup. You told me and I told you . I’m not hoping for anything . Don’t count your chickens of doom just yet but keep your fingers crossed . If you don’t get your wish then just keep repeating to yourself “ all roads lead to independence “ until you feel better . i think you are misunderstanding me bentley . I dont think all roads lead to independence , and im sorry if im giving you that impression. Hope and think are two different things.
Similarly , im not counting any chickens. I dont want a labour government. Keirs starmer and his red tory party are as much my enemy politically , and economically speaking as they are yours. Im merely musing about what i "think " might happen as this is a political debating forum for sharing opinions no?
To get back to the op , nothing to see here , move on , another load of old tory waffle , and northern ireland remains in the EU three years on and counting , and nearly seven years from the democratic vote.
You should hope a Starmer gov. doesn't enter office Tommy McRobinson. Your sweaty clan may think twice about independence if Starmer moves the UK closer to the EU. Careful what you wish for. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 3, 2023 10:47:23 GMT
I dont blame you for it but we need to see it as it is . We are trying to see it as it is , and im offering you a different perspective rather then the brexiter jerk circle of nodding heads.
What a strange comment. Im scottish , hold my own political views on many things including scottish independence , dont support westmisnter and the main parties but accept the reality they are unfortunately in control of scotland. How else do you want me to talk about things?
Its like me stating the obvious that every comment you make on brussells is through the english independence lens? What a mad thing to say!
Again im scratching my head here in disbelief. You call it pessimism , i call it a reality check of where politics is at westmisnter and the state of the uk under the tories , who control the majority of levers of the economy.
Secondly , although im not a tory , you could argue scotland has been pessimistic , or rather has seen the tories for what they are for the best part of the last 70 years.
Finally ,of course im optimistic about scottish independence. ive supported scottish independence since my school days in the eighties.
you are descending into a parrallel reality bentley. Im openly supportive of scot independence, and dont vote tory , havent voted labour for years , and voice my displeasure , like many others all over the uk , about westmisnter misgovernance.
How is that being a chameleon?
As for the last bit , with respect are you on drugs ?
i respect tht. Good for you stick by your guns and carry on supporting brexit. As for the final bit , again brilliant. England could do so much better on its own without all the infighting. Stop all this silly calling yourself british , get behind st georges flag and stnad on your own two feet and be proud of who you are and your lovely country.
The only people stopping that are the westmisnter elites.
i wont be mate. Three years and counting and still not resolution of the gordian knot. Take them out , nationalists kick off , your bosses in washington slap your hand. Keep them in the protocol , unionists kick off , brexiters get all upset.
ive got plenty of popcorn. The ball is in your court.
As opposed to a Scot Indy jerk circle of gloom? Oh I don’t expect anything different from a Scot Indy other than a constant whine about the Westminster government. Real or imagined . You call speculation ‘ reality check’ . I call it projected pessimism. I think the Chameleon analogy is a bit beyond your ken old chap . We are British whether you like it or not . The divorce hadn’t even begun . As I said , keep your fingers crossed and hope for the worst . Richi isn’t Boris though so you may be disappointed. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 10, 2023 8:20:45 GMT
We are trying to see it as it is , and im offering you a different perspective rather then the brexiter jerk circle of nodding heads.
What a strange comment. Im scottish , hold my own political views on many things including scottish independence , dont support westmisnter and the main parties but accept the reality they are unfortunately in control of scotland. How else do you want me to talk about things?
Its like me stating the obvious that every comment you make on brussells is through the english independence lens? What a mad thing to say!
Again im scratching my head here in disbelief. You call it pessimism , i call it a reality check of where politics is at westmisnter and the state of the uk under the tories , who control the majority of levers of the economy.
Secondly , although im not a tory , you could argue scotland has been pessimistic , or rather has seen the tories for what they are for the best part of the last 70 years.
Finally ,of course im optimistic about scottish independence. ive supported scottish independence since my school days in the eighties.
you are descending into a parrallel reality bentley. Im openly supportive of scot independence, and dont vote tory , havent voted labour for years , and voice my displeasure , like many others all over the uk , about westmisnter misgovernance.
How is that being a chameleon?
As for the last bit , with respect are you on drugs ?
i respect tht. Good for you stick by your guns and carry on supporting brexit. As for the final bit , again brilliant. England could do so much better on its own without all the infighting. Stop all this silly calling yourself british , get behind st georges flag and stnad on your own two feet and be proud of who you are and your lovely country.
The only people stopping that are the westmisnter elites.
i wont be mate. Three years and counting and still not resolution of the gordian knot. Take them out , nationalists kick off , your bosses in washington slap your hand. Keep them in the protocol , unionists kick off , brexiters get all upset.
ive got plenty of popcorn. The ball is in your court.
As opposed to a Scot Indy jerk circle of gloom? Oh I don’t expect anything different from a Scot Indy other than a constant whine about the Westminster government. Real or imagined . You call speculation ‘ reality check’ . I call it projected pessimism. I think the Chameleon analogy is a bit beyond your ken old chap . We are British whether you like it or not . The divorce hadn’t even begun . As I said , keep your fingers crossed and hope for the worst . Richi isn’t Boris though so you may be disappointed. sorry i have taken a while to get back to you bentley.
Did you see this ? 
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Post by Bentley on Feb 10, 2023 10:03:39 GMT
Just another road bump on the road to a solution Thomas. Dont worry your head about it .
Scotland has enough problems for you to fret about .😉
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 10:37:05 GMT
Just another road bump on the road to a solution Thomas. Dont worry your head about it . Scotland has enough problems for you to fret about .😉 i know bentley , but as i said to you before , its all part of the gameplan. Remember? throwing a bit of red meat out to brexiters every now and again , while the government in reality do nothing about the protocol till the irish have the vote on it.
I see farage is saying on twitter that the tory party sell out of brexit is well underway.....
Revealed: secret cross-party summit held to confront failings of Brexit
Leading Brexiters and remainers, including Michael Gove and David Lammy, met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaders
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Post by Bentley on Feb 12, 2023 11:59:40 GMT
Just another road bump on the road to a solution Thomas. Dont worry your head about it . Scotland has enough problems for you to fret about .😉 i know bentley , but as i said to you before , its all part of the gameplan. Remember? throwing a bit of red meat out to brexiters every now and again , while the government in reality do nothing about the protocol till the irish have the vote on it.
I see farage is saying on twitter that the tory party sell out of brexit is well underway.....
Revealed: secret cross-party summit held to confront failings of Brexit
Leading Brexiters and remainers, including Michael Gove and David Lammy, met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaders
Don’t worry about Farage either . IMHO I believe that Sunak is busy cosying up to the EU as we speak . Which is pretty much your point? |
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Post by thomas on Feb 12, 2023 12:04:22 GMT
i know bentley , but as i said to you before , its all part of the gameplan. Remember? throwing a bit of red meat out to brexiters every now and again , while the government in reality do nothing about the protocol till the irish have the vote on it.
I see farage is saying on twitter that the tory party sell out of brexit is well underway.....
Revealed: secret cross-party summit held to confront failings of Brexit
Leading Brexiters and remainers, including Michael Gove and David Lammy, met for two-day ‘private discussion’ with diplomats and business leaders
Don’t worry about Farage either . IMHO I believe that Sunak is busy cosying up to the EU as we speak . Which is pretty much your point? im not worreid about anyone bentley.
This is a thread regarding the northern ireland protocol , and wider brexit. We are simply discussing how things are developing , the the uk governments move to shaft english brexiters as they have already shafted norn irish unionists.
Pretty much as farage and many others have continually said.
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Post by Bentley on Feb 12, 2023 18:40:19 GMT
Don’t worry about Farage either . IMHO I believe that Sunak is busy cosying up to the EU as we speak . Which is pretty much your point? im not worreid about anyone bentley.
This is a thread regarding the northern ireland protocol , and wider brexit. We are simply discussing how things are developing , the the uk governments move to shaft english brexiters as they have already shafted norn irish unionists.
Pretty much as farage and many others have continually said.
The OP asks the question “Has the NI protocol been solved?“. The answer is not yet . I thought the UK government was shafting Scottish remainers…if the constant whining is anything to go by . |
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