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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 16, 2022 10:36:18 GMT
The Sunday Times has a longish article asking Why can’t Britain control migration?. It notes that “Brexit was supposed to help the UK manage its borders but people are still pouring in”
The article notes that legal immigration reached record levels in 2021 – “more than 1.3 million entry clearance visas were issued in 2021, including 435,000 for students, 402,000 for visitors, 239,000 for workers and 42,000 for family members”
However the focus is very strongly on the dramatic increase in numbers of asylum seekers, which totalled almost 49,000 in 2021, close to double the average numbers for the ten years to 2020. The Sunday Times then asks the question:
Why so many asylum seekers?
One of the answers it seems, and one which is rarely discussed or considered is given by the thread title. In other words, the generosity of your asylum system is a crucial factor in your appeal to prospective asylum claimants. Seems logical, doesn’t it? Probably makes sense when you think about it.
The article continues
“Push factors are undoubtedly high, given the number of applicants from countries with war, unrest or organised crime. And Britain still appears to have plenty of pull factors.
Speaking from the hotel where she is being held in Brighton, a 27-year-old woman from Eritrea who arrived on a dinghy from Dunkirk last November says: “It was scary, the sea was rough, there were 30 people in the boat and it took about eight hours.” She travelled via Sudan, Libya and Italy. Why didn’t she stay in Italy? “England is better,” she says. “Eritrea has no democracy. You have no freedom. That’s why you move here.”
Another factor, though, is that Britain has very high acceptance rates. Ten years ago a third of all asylum claims were granted. However, the latest figures suggest 76 per cent of asylum claims are granted on first decision. In the EU, the level remains at about 34 per cent.
For Albanians, acceptance rates here are 52 per cent, compared with 8 per cent in France and zero in Sweden and Germany. The vast majority of British Albanians are women, some of whom are victims of trafficking, yet a government source suggested the Home Office had been “too tolerant” of individuals who do not have a legitimate modern slavery or asylum claim.
“The rest of Europe thinks our system has been nuts. There are almost no cases of state persecution or persecution from government institutions [in Albania] . . . protection can be provided in Albania whether for asylum or modern slavery claims,” the source says.
A 2018 German study found that countries with higher acceptance rates tend to get more asylum applications in the future.”
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The question which then arises is “What happened in 2018/19 that caused Britain’s acceptance rate to skyrocket from below the EU average to more than double it today? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2022 10:55:02 GMT
Interesting post. What is striking is the gulf between the welcome asylum seekers get in the UK and the French refusal to entertain them. Given that gap it's hardly surprising that people choose to spend thousands crossing the Channel to get out of France.
As for what is done about it - well it looks like the next Government will be formed by Labour who have already said that we are not welcoming enough and want to encourage more to come - so change is not possible.
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Post by Steve on Oct 16, 2022 10:55:32 GMT
. . .The question which then arises is “What happened in 2018/19 that caused Britain’s acceptance rate to skyrocket from below the EU average to more than double it today? Afghanistan must have been one effect also the EU cut down on taking trans Mediterranean boat people We are unfortunately too soft a touch. We have to reduce the net pull effect of coming to the UK |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 16, 2022 10:59:45 GMT
. . .The question which then arises is “What happened in 2018/19 that caused Britain’s acceptance rate to skyrocket from below the EU average to more than double it today? Afghanistan must have been one effect also the EU cut down on taking trans Mediterranean boat people We are unfortunately too soft a touch. We have to reduce the net pull effect of coming to the UKYes like benefits and free NHS treatement. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 16, 2022 11:05:18 GMT
Interesting post. What is striking is the gulf between the welcome asylum seekers get in the UK and the French refusal to entertain them. Given that gap it's hardly surprising that people choose to spend thousands crossing the Channel to get out of France. As for what is done about it - well it looks like the next Government will be formed by Labour who have already said that we are not welcoming enough and want to encourage more to come - so change is not possible. Agree that it is interesting. However more asylum seekers are staying in France than moving to the UK, so it isn't all about the pull factors. The increase in percentage accepted is somewhat surprising and I don't know what the reason for this is. It could be a difference in departure countries, a change in government procedures or a mixture of both. |
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Post by dappy on Oct 16, 2022 11:38:52 GMT
Perhaps the most interesting thing in the article is it’s weird lack of focus.
It asks itself “why Britain can’t control migration” and provides some figures
Total migrants. 1300000
Asylum seekers. 50000
%age asylum. < 4%
%age non asylum. >. 96%
It then spends the rest of the article droning on about the less than 4%. We have completely lost touch with reality.
Meanwhile the article makes no mention of the (very likely much higher) number of illegal immigrants and overstayers.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 16, 2022 11:55:02 GMT
...Meanwhile the article makes no mention of the (very likely much higher) number of illegal immigrants and overstayers. It does actually:
"There are three main ways people can become “irregular”, meaning they do not have the legal right to stay here. First, by entering the UK “regularly” then breaching that status, often by overstaying: Home Office data suggests 92,000 people overstayed their visa in the year to March 2020.
Second, simply by dint of being the child of irregular migrants. Third, and most visibly, by entering the UK without a legal right to do so. Since 2018, the number of people entering the UK irregularly has soared, from 13,377 to 36,792 last year. Including the 41,000 who have arrived so far this year, it means at least 125,000 people have entered Britain irregularly in the past five years, a population equivalent to that of a city the size of Cambridge."
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Post by Steve on Oct 16, 2022 15:17:16 GMT
So the biggest problem remains overstayers who are sustained by the black economy which in turn relies on all of us that keep paying in cash. A big part of the solution lies in our own wallets. Don't use cash for anything over £5
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Post by colbops on Oct 16, 2022 15:20:52 GMT
So the biggest problem remains overstayers who are sustained by the black economy which in turn relies on all of us that keep paying in cash. A big part of the solution lies in our own wallets. Don't use cash for anything over £5 The days of being able to pick up a bag of weed for a fiver are long gone unfortunately. And, who in their right mind is going to pay for a hooker (sorry Escort) with a credit card |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 16, 2022 15:51:59 GMT
And of course the other issue is the courts/legal profession and their spurious application of Human Rights legislation.
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Post by wapentake on Oct 16, 2022 16:13:55 GMT
And of course the other issue is the courts/legal profession and their spurious application of Human Rights legislation. Human rights aren’t spurious,that there is a problem with illegals I don’t deny. Perhaps all asylum seekers should be required to carry an ID card with failure to carry or engaging in illegal activity resulting in sanctions being applied even as far as detention and rapid deportation. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 16, 2022 16:23:33 GMT
Human rights aren’t spurious,that there is a problem with illegals I don’t deny... I never said that they were. I said that the application was. The rest of Europe is subject to the same legislation but don't have the same problems that we appear to. Conclusion: The legislation isn't the problem, the application is. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2022 16:26:07 GMT
And of course the other issue is the courts/legal profession and their spurious application of Human Rights legislation. Human rights aren’t spurious,that there is a problem with illegals I don’t deny. Perhaps all asylum seekers should be required to carry an ID card with failure to carry or engaging in illegal activity resulting in sanctions being applied even as far as detention and rapid deportation. I am coming round to the position that a national ID card is needed - it would allow much easier control of the black economy and stop a lot of the NHS tourism we see. Of course that would not be a solution to illegal immigration if we keep accepting such high numbers of asylum seekers. |
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Post by colbops on Oct 16, 2022 16:33:47 GMT
I am coming round to the position that a national ID card is needed If your goal is to create a black market for fake national ID cards and an uptick in identity theft then yes sure, great idea. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2022 16:34:32 GMT
I am coming round to the position that a national ID card is needed If your goal is to create a black market for fake national ID cards and an uptick in identity theft then yes sure, great idea. Is that a major problem in Europe? |
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