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Post by colbops on Oct 16, 2022 16:40:33 GMT
Is that a major problem in Europe? No idea, is it? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 16, 2022 16:44:22 GMT
Is that a major problem in Europe? No idea, is it? well as they have not given up their national ID card schemes I would suspect not.. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 16, 2022 17:01:40 GMT
I am coming round to the position that a national ID card is needed If your goal is to create a black market for fake national ID cards and an uptick in identity theft then yes sure, great idea. Not in favour of ID cards for all,just ID cards for asylum seekers illegals should be given the choice of applying for asylum status with all and I suspect mainly spurious applications resulting in summary deportation. Again shouldn’t all those be fingerprinted and dna taken such records to be destroyed for successful citizen status and again for serious or persistent low level criminality to also result in deportation. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 16, 2022 17:36:04 GMT
And of course the other issue is the courts/legal profession and their spurious application of Human Rights legislation. Human rights aren’t spurious,that there is a problem with illegals I don’t deny. Perhaps all asylum seekers should be required to carry an ID card with failure to carry or engaging in illegal activity resulting in sanctions being applied even as far as detention and rapid deportation. They are. It's called the Application Registration Card
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 16, 2022 17:41:50 GMT
So the biggest problem remains overstayers who are sustained by the black economy which in turn relies on all of us that keep paying in cash. A big part of the solution lies in our own wallets. Don't use cash for anything over £5 The 92,000 figure quoted by the Times is very likely a significant undercount since it only refers to people from countries that require a visa. Visitors from so-called 'non-visa' countries (55 of them) are not subject to the exit checks which the Home Office uses to create its statistics on overstayers.
Migration Watch has the full story here:
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Post by wapentake on Oct 16, 2022 18:15:43 GMT
Human rights aren’t spurious,that there is a problem with illegals I don’t deny. Perhaps all asylum seekers should be required to carry an ID card with failure to carry or engaging in illegal activity resulting in sanctions being applied even as far as detention and rapid deportation. They are. It's called the Application Registration Card
Looks fairly useless to me |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 18:22:55 GMT
So the biggest problem remains overstayers who are sustained by the black economy which in turn relies on all of us that keep paying in cash. A big part of the solution lies in our own wallets. Don't use cash for anything over £5 The 92,000 figure quoted by the Times is very likely a significant undercount since it only refers to people from countries that require a visa. Visitors from so-called 'non-visa' countries (55 of them) are not subject to the exit checks which the Home Office uses to create its statistics on overstayers.
Migration Watch has the full story here:
And Migration Watch has an (at best) mixed record regarding truthfulness - in their reports.
Now all that said, the visa overstayers (and false student visas) and others who make up the majority of illegal immigration (the others make up a small fraction) should be dealt with by funding our migration services much more; MW actually agrees that we need greater funding to deal with migration - so that is unequivocally true.
It's also true that successive govts have relied on ever increasing levels of migration to make up the workforce (too many retiring and unable to pay for the pension pot; below-replacement-level birth rates among natives) and that is an unworkable strategy in the long term, hence recent conservative campaigns to get more "natives" to have babies (akin to Orban in Hungary's incentives for couples to have babies etc).
I don't know what the answer is here, but I'm sure as shit that the far-right types don't have it. Nor do the far left and I'm pretty sure the centrists don't either. In other words, no one knows what to do. My best guess would be to try and sort our migration system out as best as possible and the problems should take care of themselves.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 16, 2022 18:23:29 GMT
Re the ARC: It's the only thing that asylum seekers have to prove they have an active claim in progress. No ARC, no right to be in the UK.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 16, 2022 18:27:40 GMT
"And Migration Watch has an (at best) mixed record regarding truthfulness - in their reports."
Do you have any objection to the truthfulness of the particular report that was cited earlier?
If not, probably best to pipe down.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2022 18:33:02 GMT
"And Migration Watch has an (at best) mixed record regarding truthfulness - in their reports." Do you have any objection to the truthfulness of the particular report that was cited earlier? If not, probably best to pipe down.
Ah, because pointing out that dodgy thinktanks, with a dodgy track record may produce mixed results is not what you wanted to hear?
Others have already pointed out problems with what you're saying, you don't seem intent on listening to them so I suppose there was no point in trying to get through.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 16, 2022 18:37:38 GMT
well as they have not given up their national ID card schemes I would suspect not.. Well, perhaps you should check out THIS
www.thalesgroup.com/en/worldwide-digital-identity-and-security/government/magazine/eu-digital-id-wallet-coming-heres-whatThe country that brought you the phrase "ihre papieren, bitte" is going hell for leather to implementing a Hegemony-Wide DIGITAL wallet and the company standing to make an absolute shitload from it (the same shitheads, or at least the parent group thereof who wasted christ knows how much on Gordon Brown's Insanity which we dumped just in time in 2010) are saying the reasson they need it is the existing systems are far too hackable. Of course I no longer have any cionnection to the companies in question so they may be telling the truth and have utterly reformed into philanthropic saints but somehow, i doubt it |
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Post by Steve on Oct 16, 2022 19:03:30 GMT
So the biggest problem remains overstayers who are sustained by the black economy which in turn relies on all of us that keep paying in cash. A big part of the solution lies in our own wallets. Don't use cash for anything over £5 The days of being able to pick up a bag of weed for a fiver are long gone unfortunately. And, who in their right mind is going to pay for a hooker (sorry Escort) with a credit card And your experience in hiring hookers and buying weed is just what? But returning to the point I made overstayers are those working in restaurants, cleaning cars, labouring for jobbing builders etc. And their wages have to be off books which is only possible with a significant % of cash in their employers income. Strangle the cash, strangle the problem. |
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Post by colbops on Oct 16, 2022 19:49:49 GMT
The days of being able to pick up a bag of weed for a fiver are long gone unfortunately. And, who in their right mind is going to pay for a hooker (sorry Escort) with a credit card And your experience in hiring hookers and buying weed is just what? But returning to the point I made overstayers are those working in restaurants, cleaning cars, labouring for jobbing builders etc. And their wages have to be off books which is only possible with a significant % of cash in their employers income. Strangle the cash, strangle the problem. Sadly no-one tends to pay me in cash so it just goes out of my accounts as 'management fees' into my Delaware parent company, and the money comes out of the cashpoint to pay my 'jobbing builders' via a trip through a couple of offshore accounts. If anyone asks why I'm drawing out so much cash, I say 'escorts'. I get a wink and a nod and all is well |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 16, 2022 20:52:54 GMT
It probably won't come as much surprise to learn that the countries providing the most overstayers per the HO's latest (YE March 2020) report are as follows:
India
China
Pakistan
Philippines
Nigeria
In that order.
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Post by colbops on Oct 16, 2022 21:17:01 GMT
It probably won't come as much surprise to learn that the countries providing the most overstayers per the HO's latest (YE March 2020) report are as follows: India China Pakistan Philippines Nigeria In that order. Sweet - do we know the male:female ratio and average age? |
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