Good point. But I struggle to see how the ethnic extortion ring would effect the cost of road signs. And more importantly the cost of just about everything a bloody council does. That is definitely the gods of health and safety. I wonder how many councillors get bungs from the limited number of licensed companies that carry out jobs you need a 'special license' for.
Why do you even need a special license to put red fencing around a hole in the road. If you can have building inspectors to check buildings are being put up safely it can't be impossible to have an inspector to sign off a red fence.
Mind you a council building inspector costs us £800 for two 10 minute visits.
There seems to be quite a lot of perceptual bending going on here. The £7500 for the sign sounds a little on the high side, but at least it is actually a service of some nature. Those signs are (presumably) iron-mongered, near custom jobs and the overall market isn't going to be very large (1 sign per street every century?). On the other hand, you seemed quite keen to wave away the notion of 100k PA diversity consultants. So we have, on the one hand, 100k PA for doing nothing at all, and on the other, 7.5k for making a one off iron-mongered sign.
Btw - haven't we discussed public sector waste previously? I'm of the opinion that you could probably massively reduce the cost of public sector without removing any actual services - this is why
£7,500 for a small metal sign is insane. Do you think our 30mtr sign was a mass produced one? Of course not. No I was not waving away the supposed diversity consultants, but they were an invention of the Daily Mail not Harringay. I'm not waving away the consultancy cost either, though I guess they have to ask people in the name of democracy.
I do however have a big bug about how much tax is wasted every day on over costly government works. Which I'm pretty sure dwarfs this little stupidity by Harringay council. Still its me that's off topic so I'll leave you to your woke moan.
I wonder if in 10 years time someone will complain the Black Boy lane was removed because it dismisses Black children.
The name change was apparently both expensive and unnecessary. But how about a BUT The terms 'Black' and 'boy' have both been regularly used in the past as an insult to Black people.
I wonder if in 10 years time someone will complain the Black Boy lane was removed because it dismisses Black children.
The name change was apparently both expensive and unnecessary. But how about a BUT The terms 'Black' and 'boy' have both been regularly used in the past as an insult to Black people.
Well I'm as supportive of the black community as most folks, but I think for something to be an insult it needs to be meant to be an insult.
I think there is enough prejudice and injustice without inventing it.
Correct, nevertheless there are some racists around, some could hardly contain themselves over footballers taking the knee.
I think you miss the point. Everyone here agrees there is racism. Many of them are racist without even realising. But this issue is made worse by constantly searching for things to be racist.
£7,500 for a small metal sign is insane. Do you think our 30mtr sign was a mass produced one? Of course not. No I was not waving away the supposed diversity consultants, but they were an invention of the Daily Mail not Harringay.
You are waving away the notion that people are employed in these roles - I guess this is a tacit admission that they are indefensible. However, we know for a fact that such roles do exist. It's not much of stretch to imagine that they consulted 'an expert' and the expert made this suggestion.
Then there is the comparison - 7.5k (one off) for a sign vs 100k pa for nothing at all.
I do however have a big bug about how much tax is wasted every day on over costly government works. Which I'm pretty sure dwarfs this little stupidity by Harringay council. Still its me that's off topic so I'll leave you to your woke moan.
I found it interesting how you veered away from the diversity expert and focused on the guy making the sign - ie the one of the few people in the whole chain of events actually providing any service at all in return for the payment he received
Correct, nevertheless there are some racists around, some could hardly contain themselves over footballers taking the knee.
I think you miss the point. Everyone here agrees there is racism. Many of them are racist without even realising. But this issue is made worse by constantly searching for things to be racist.
£7,500 for a small metal sign is insane. Do you think our 30mtr sign was a mass produced one? Of course not. No I was not waving away the supposed diversity consultants, but they were an invention of the Daily Mail not Harringay.
You are waving away the notion that people are employed in these roles - I guess this is a tacit admission that they are indefensible. However, we know for a fact that such roles do exist. It's not much of stretch to imagine that they consulted 'an expert' and the expert made this suggestion.
Most of these roles are tacked onto existing management jobs. General manager with responsibility for diversity. That is why I don't think they are that important. Add to this the sad necessity that we need such people in the UK 2023.
Then there is the comparison - 7.5k (one off) for a sign vs 100k pa for nothing at all.
7.5k is a one off for those signs. I can't even be bothered to go further here. I tried several sentences but each was so effin obvious I could only conclude you were being disingenuous.
I do however have a big bug about how much tax is wasted every day on over costly government works. Which I'm pretty sure dwarfs this little stupidity by Harringay council. Still its me that's off topic so I'll leave you to your woke moan.
I found it interesting how you veered away from the diversity expert and focused on the guy making the sign - ie the one of the few people in the whole chain of events actually providing any service at all in return for the payment he received
I veered onto something I find frustrating (As I said) I have previously spent copious amounts of time on your favourite subject, how about returning the courtesy.
Most of these roles are tacked onto existing management jobs. General manager with responsibility for diversity. That is why I don't think they are that important.
Many of these roles are specific and the role itself merely involves management - ie you can't create a panacea of diversity and inclusion without ordering people about.
Not to mention the day to day drudgery of organising the cranium measurement, race theory lectures and whiteness inspections. These things won't happen on their own
I veered onto something I find frustrating (As I said) I have previously spent copious amounts of time on your favourite subject, how about returning the courtesy.
Sure in most contexts that would be a fine objection - but look at the topic
This nonsense is not a failure of sign makers - it's a management issue. These public bodies are increasingly run and operated (managed) by people with psychiatric problems or scam artists - and they are paid by you.
Most of these roles are tacked onto existing management jobs. General manager with responsibility for diversity. That is why I don't think they are that important.
Many of these roles are specific and the role itself merely involves management - ie you can't create a panacea of diversity and inclusion without ordering people about.
Not to mention the day to day drudgery of organising the cranium measurement, race theory lectures and whiteness inspections. These things won't happen on their own
I veered onto something I find frustrating (As I said) I have previously spent copious amounts of time on your favourite subject, how about returning the courtesy.
Sure in most contexts that would be a fine objection - but look at the topic
This nonsense is not a failure of sign makers - it's a management issue. These public bodies are increasingly being run by people with psychiatric problems - and they are paid by you.
Only in your world does diversity involve cranium measurement or race theory. In the real world it involves adapting the work place, hours and conditions to a high number of ethnic persons working within them.
Of course its not the sign makers, its the people who order the sign makers but don't have to spend their own money. I am increasingly finding it in my own business as its grown. Waste on things that employees wold never do at home with their own money. I stopped a member of staff the other day who was going to driving a 170 mile round trip to accept a food delivery because the delivery driver doesn't like to put it in the freezers himself and can't deliver when he place is open. So 170 miles at 45p per mile plus 4 hours at £18.00 an hour. £122.00 to accept a food order worth £365.00. That's the problem with public bodies. Mention safety and all the brakes are taken off the budget. NO ONE wants to be responsible for being seen as unsafe.
Stammer has 'no policies for getting rid of woke' as Labour causes clash on GB News......Has labour got any policies?
Stammer provoked a clash of opinions on GB News on Sunday night as Ann Widdecombe accused him of having "no policies for getting rid of woke". The former Conservative MP also took issue with Denis MacShane's analysis that Sir Keir is providing "competent and steady management" after the political "drama king" Boris Johnson.
The pair spoke on Mark Dolan's show, where the host questioned Mr MacShane as to whether stammer had "the X factor".
The former Labour MP for Rotherham answered: "He's not a superstar in the sense of Tony Blair.
"He [Mr Blair] just calmly explained what needed to be done and his explanation was accepted by the country.
"In a very different way, if you like a bit like Joe Biden in the United States, steady and sure, we're past the flash Harry moment in politics.
The boat Asylum seekers are NOT Welcome here in the UK. We know the usual virtue signaling illiterate lefty trolls state otherwise just to be antagonistic...
The terms 'Black' and 'boy' have both been regularly used in the past as an insult to Black people.
