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Post by Handyman on Jan 22, 2023 16:51:39 GMT
Sadiq Khan is accused of ignoring more than 5,000 votes from motoring groups opposing his controversial ULEZ expansion Mayor Sadiq Khan approved expansion to London’s Ultra-low emission zone He approved scheme despite 59.4 per cent of respondents opposing it 5,273 votes from motoring groups - equivalent to one in ten responses- ignored If included, the level of opposition would have risen to 62.4 per cent
It absolutely beggars belief why Khan is still mayor of London.
The only sign that he's alive is when he was chuckling away to his giant baby Trump balloon in nappy.
I bet he hasn't even got a pulse, a fuckin Zombie in charge of London FFS.
Our son has had to change his car which he did not want to do, due to Khan and his ULEZ expansion scheme because as he lives a few miles outside of London it would have cost £12.50 per day for his wife to drive to work, or to visit her parents , or come and see us and his friends
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 22, 2023 16:56:06 GMT
It absolutely beggars belief why Khan is still mayor of London.
The only sign that he's alive is when he was chuckling away to his giant baby Trump balloon in nappy.
I bet he hasn't even got a pulse, a fuckin Zombie in charge of London FFS.
Our son has had to change his car which he did not want to do, due to Khan and his ULEZ expansion scheme because as he lives a few miles outside of London it would have cost £12.50 per day for his wife to drive to work, or to visit her parents , or come and see us and his friends People are being priced out of London, businesses will not invest if they haven't got the work force, and it's encouraging WFH, which isn't all together bad, but it's giving them a good excuse to WFH, Khan doesn't appear to be accountable to any one, the government don't seem to have any control over this liability of a lose cannon.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 22, 2023 17:07:48 GMT
The cost of living in London is high enough as it is, Public Transport fares are going up , WFH has meant less footfall in London so cafe's and shops have fewer customers some will not survive Jobs will be lost, the Tube and Train Strikes has the same effect, I can see fewer people using to Train from the Home Counties to get to work, Jobs lost on the railways etc
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 22, 2023 17:20:19 GMT
Yes I recall much of that from years ago. But it is not what I had in mind. If I can give you a rough outline of my thoughts. Imagine a heavy completely sealed and empty container say, half as big as an oil tanker. Tethered and restricted in an area where it can safely rise and fall with the tide. It is this up and down movement with the tide that I see could be converted, either mechanically or by hydraulics into energy. Ok. pE = mgh A mass of one kilogram subjected to a gravitational force of 1 Metres per second squared moved against that force through one metre gains one joule of potential energy Gravity is 9.81 metres per second squared The highest tidal range in the Severn estuary is 10.4 metres So a one kilogram vessel floating on the Severn Estuary tethered to the sea wall by some mechanical device would have a total of 102 joules of potential energy imparted to it by virtue of being raised by the tide The KOBAYASHI MARU (Trekkies will instantly know why I pick that vessel) has a weight fully loaded of about 60,500 tonnes of which 34,452 is cargo. Source MarineTraffic.com 60,500 tonnes raised through that max tidal range gives you 60,500 x 1024 x 102 joules aka 6171 Megajoules. Be nice and assume you can collect it once as the tide rises and again as the tide falls. 12,342Mj Per 12 hours. Rounding up.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 22, 2023 17:23:49 GMT
Yes I recall much of that from years ago. But it is not what I had in mind. If I can give you a rough outline of my thoughts. Imagine a heavy completely sealed and empty container say, half as big as an oil tanker. Tethered and restricted in an area where it can safely rise and fall with the tide. It is this up and down movement with the tide that I see could be converted, either mechanically or by hydraulics into energy. Ok. pE = mgh A mass of one kilogram subjected to a gravitational force of 1 Metres per second squared moved against that force through one metre gains one joule of potential energy Gravity is 9.81 metres per second squared The highest tidal range in the Severn estuary is 10.4 metres So a one kilogram vessel floating on the Severn Estuary tethered to the sea wall by some mechanical device would have a total of 102 joules of potential energy imparted to it by virtue of being raised by the tide The KOBAYASHI MARU (Trekkies will instantly know why I pick that vessel) has a weight fully loaded of about 60,500 tonnes of which 34,452 is cargo. Source MarineTraffic.com 60,500 tonnes raised through that max tidal range gives you 60,500 x 1024 x 102 joules aka 6171 Megajoules. Be nice and assume you can collect it once as the tide rises and again as the tide falls. 12,342Mj Per 12 hours. Rounding up. See2, you did ask, lol.
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Post by borchester on Jan 22, 2023 17:38:34 GMT
Yes I recall much of that from years ago. But it is not what I had in mind. If I can give you a rough outline of my thoughts. Imagine a heavy completely sealed and empty container say, half as big as an oil tanker. Tethered and restricted in an area where it can safely rise and fall with the tide. It is this up and down movement with the tide that I see could be converted, either mechanically or by hydraulics into energy. Ok. pE = mgh A mass of one kilogram subjected to a gravitational force of 1 Metres per second squared moved against that force through one metre gains one joule of potential energy Gravity is 9.81 metres per second squared The highest tidal range in the Severn estuary is 10.4 metres So a one kilogram vessel floating on the Severn Estuary tethered to the sea wall by some mechanical device would have a total of 102 joules of potential energy imparted to it by virtue of being raised by the tide The KOBAYASHI MARU (Trekkies will instantly know why I pick that vessel) has a weight fully loaded of about 60,500 tonnes of which 34,452 is cargo. Source MarineTraffic.com 60,500 tonnes raised through that max tidal range gives you 60,500 x 1024 x 102 joules aka 6171 Megajoules. Be nice and assume you can collect it once as the tide rises and again as the tide falls. 12,342Mj Per 12 hours. Rounding up. This is true and they were using tidal lagoons to drive water wheels in the Middle Ages. The problem is that the capital cost exceeds that of digging a hole in the ground and extracting oil or gas.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 22, 2023 19:25:40 GMT
The thing I was trying to get to was the actual energy gained.
I have a small solar powered 12v battery trickle charger, bought from Maplin’s in Cardiff for about seven quid and used to keep the battery of my Vauxhall topped up when standing for days in a clients car park. I now use it to charge two small motorcycle batteries which power a windscreen washer pump bought originally for a mini I owned in the 1970s that now pumps rainwater from water butts making a spray mist in my greenhouse.
It’s 100% recycled tech apart from the ‘windscreen washer pipe’ that came from an aquarium shop that I punched tiny holes in to make the spray.
It’s a neat way to keep the greenhouse crops watered but scaling up would be prohibitively expensive
The point of that calculation which I really do hope I didn’t fuck up is to show that really the amount of useful energy we would gain from such a piece of kit would barely be worth it.
Unless a war or Armageddon took out the grid of course. Then digging a hole to collect the shit that would go down the sewer and letting it ferment and collecting and pressurising the methane so generated would become viable. But the short chain fatty acids given off by the digester microbes would mean the smell would repel even the most determined burglar
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Post by borchester on Jan 22, 2023 19:54:40 GMT
The thing I was trying to get to was the actual energy gained. I have a small solar powered 12v battery trickle charger, bought from Maplin’s in Cardiff for about seven quid and used to keep the battery of my Vauxhall topped up when standing for days in a clients car park. I now use it to charge two small motorcycle batteries which power a windscreen washer pump bought originally for a mini I owned in the 1970s that now pumps rainwater from water butts making a spray mist in my greenhouse. It’s 100% recycled tech apart from the ‘windscreen washer pipe’ that came from an aquarium shop that I punched tiny holes in to make the spray. It’s a neat way to keep the greenhouse crops watered but scaling up would be prohibitively expensive The point of that calculation which I really do hope I didn’t fuck up is to show that really the amount of useful energy we would gain from such a piece of kit would barely be worth it. Unless a war or Armageddon took out the grid of course. Then digging a hole to collect the shit that would go down the sewer and letting it ferment and collecting and pressurising the methane so generated would become viable. But the short chain fatty acids given off by the digester microbes would mean the smell would repel even the most determined burglar Bugger the environment and tree huggers in general, how many litres of water can your pump manage per minute/hour/whatever ?
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 22, 2023 21:36:14 GMT
Bugger the environment and tree huggers in general, how many litres of water can your pump manage per minute/hour/whatever ? It’s one of those tiny windscreen washer pumps which going flat out with no real resistance emptied a two pint windscreen washer reservoir on a mini in about a minute, maybe two when I fucked up the installation and got utterly soaked. In its current form it pumps a mist out of the last four metres of an eight metre long tube about 5mm diameter and has completely empty a rainwater butt if left on all afternoon. I generally let it go for about 15 - 20 minutes during which time it mists the 8x6 greenhouse with about two watering can fills. So I’d say what’s that one and a half to two gallons. The whole idea is it puts a fine spray mist on whatever I’m growing rather than flooding the trays … The tomatoes and chilli peppers loved it.
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 22:42:26 GMT
Yes I recall much of that from years ago. But it is not what I had in mind. If I can give you a rough outline of my thoughts. Imagine a heavy completely sealed and empty container say, half as big as an oil tanker. Tethered and restricted in an area where it can safely rise and fall with the tide. It is this up and down movement with the tide that I see could be converted, either mechanically or by hydraulics into energy. Ok. pE = mgh A mass of one kilogram subjected to a gravitational force of 1 Metres per second squared moved against that force through one metre gains one joule of potential energy Gravity is 9.81 metres per second squared The highest tidal range in the Severn estuary is 10.4 metres So a one kilogram vessel floating on the Severn Estuary tethered to the sea wall by some mechanical device would have a total of 102 joules of potential energy imparted to it by virtue of being raised by the tide The KOBAYASHI MARU (Trekkies will instantly know why I pick that vessel) has a weight fully loaded of about 60,500 tonnes of which 34,452 is cargo. Source MarineTraffic.com 60,500 tonnes raised through that max tidal range gives you 60,500 x 1024 x 102 joules aka 6171 Megajoules. Be nice and assume you can collect it once as the tide rises and again as the tide falls. 12,342Mj Per 12 hours. Rounding up. Thanks John (I think) my strengths lay in a very different direction. But if you don't mind I'll try again. I approach this idea thinking that 60,000 + tonnes being lowered from a height of 10 meters while being resisted by a mechanism for driving, by whatever means, a turbine, producing electricity, and the same huge hollow container being lifted by the tide with a similar restriction for driving a turbine. Is the way I see of extracting energy from the rise and fall of the tide. The advantage would be that the tides are more reliable than sunshine or the wind. Don't know if it would work or not but it does seem to me to be a possibility.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 23, 2023 6:38:11 GMT
Ok. pE = mgh A mass of one kilogram subjected to a gravitational force of 1 Metres per second squared moved against that force through one metre gains one joule of potential energy Gravity is 9.81 metres per second squared The highest tidal range in the Severn estuary is 10.4 metres So a one kilogram vessel floating on the Severn Estuary tethered to the sea wall by some mechanical device would have a total of 102 joules of potential energy imparted to it by virtue of being raised by the tide The KOBAYASHI MARU (Trekkies will instantly know why I pick that vessel) has a weight fully loaded of about 60,500 tonnes of which 34,452 is cargo. Source MarineTraffic.com 60,500 tonnes raised through that max tidal range gives you 60,500 x 1024 x 102 joules aka 6171 Megajoules. Be nice and assume you can collect it once as the tide rises and again as the tide falls. 12,342Mj Per 12 hours. Rounding up. Thanks John (I think) my strengths lay in a very different direction. But if you don't mind I'll try again. I approach this idea thinking that 60,000 + tonnes being lowered from a height of 10 meters while being resisted by a mechanism for driving, by whatever means, a turbine, producing electricity, and the same huge hollow container being lifted by the tide with a similar restriction for driving a turbine. Is the way I see of extracting energy from the rise and fall of the tide. The advantage would be that the tides are more reliable than sunshine or the wind. Don't know if it would work or not but it does seem to me to be a possibility. Well, I did say amongst my past skills lay a spell at the dept of mechanical engineering and energy studies. That tidal range was the maximum, of course, available one or two days in the year. As a diver I know the tide varies depending on the relative positions of the sun and the moon, sorry if I’m teaching grandma to suck eggs here but to take real world examples at Swansea which I pick because it’s where the academics thought the tidal flow lagoon might work… the next spring tide with the highest range occurs on the 25th Jan with a high tide of 9.87m at 8.54 am and a low tide seven hours ten min later of 0.65m. So that’s 9.22 metres in seven hours. The NEAP tide, with the lowest range, which occurred on the 16th Jan had a high at exactly 00.00 on 16/1 of 7.34m and six hours later the low tide was 2.98m so the range there was only 4.36m in six hours. Those numbers mean a one kilogram weight would provide 90.448 Joules at the highest range, over seven hours, 12.92 joules per hour, and 42.78joules at worst over six hours, 7.13joules per hour The problem with a large weight such as the fully laden freighter is the shear forces that would be applied to whatever mechanical device translated that vertical travel into useful work. I’m not sure what I would use but in a post apocalyptic world where I could shoot the town planners I’d go for the sort of mechanical gearing found on windmills to and possibly an Archimedean screw pumping sea water to an elevated lake from which we could build hydroelectric turbines for electricity. I hate to think of the energy losses through friction though. Again, the concept of free energy sounds compelling but Tony Benn once talked of electricity to cheap to meter and look where that got him. Rapidtables convers joules to watts … www.rapidtables.com/calc/electric/Joule_to_Watt_Calculator.htmlThe lowest figure above, 7.13 joules in 3600 seconds is 0.0019 WATTS A Google search for wind turbine power output claims the average onshore unit produces 2.5-3 MILLION watts. Let’s assume the wind blows only one hour in ten and then only blows at a tenth of the required strength to deliver the full turbine output. That’s a total of 25,000 watts. If one kilogram delivered 0.0019 watts and friction stole a quarter of that, 1000 kilograms or one tonne would deliver 1.9 x 0.75 or 1.42 watts. So yeah, the fully laden KOBAYASHI MARU would give you over three times that. But I’m not a naval architect and the one I had on speed dial died of bone cancer thanks to not being able to find treatment in the thick of the pandemic. I would have been interested to hear his views on the cost of construction of a vessel - in the sense of a hull hulk - capable of withstanding permanent mooring fully laden, and his views on a fulcrum conversion device. The engineers I worked with at my last job might have some ideas on that last point, but I’m beginning to think the cost would be prohibitively expensive compared to a wind turbine. But it’s good to kick ideas like these around. After all, a few hundred people continued to walk the earth thanks to me coming up with the idea of injecting them with an extract of bulls naughty bits and the list of people who have collected Ph.D’s from that one idea continues to grow thanks to the funds the drug raised. Shame Maggie threw me out before I could benefit.
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Post by borchester on Jan 24, 2023 18:40:19 GMT
Bugger the environment and tree huggers in general, how many litres of water can your pump manage per minute/hour/whatever ? It’s one of those tiny windscreen washer pumps which going flat out with no real resistance emptied a two pint windscreen washer reservoir on a mini in about a minute, maybe two when I fucked up the installation and got utterly soaked. In its current form it pumps a mist out of the last four metres of an eight metre long tube about 5mm diameter and has completely empty a rainwater butt if left on all afternoon. I generally let it go for about 15 - 20 minutes during which time it mists the 8x6 greenhouse with about two watering can fills. So I’d say what’s that one and a half to two gallons. The whole idea is it puts a fine spray mist on whatever I’m growing rather than flooding the trays … The tomatoes and chilli peppers loved it. I am liking it and have told my boy, the all round electronics smartarse, to look into the matter.
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