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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 20:05:09 GMT
I'm sure Sunak would rather grow Conservative party support than grow a spine and save the UK economy and reputation from Brexit. But really, what do these guys mean exactly when they say "strong trading relationship with the EU?" Just another empty platitude, perhaps? Hollow Starmer-speak for straddling the lane that leads to Downing Street? www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-is-doomed-says-boris-johnson-s-favourite-paper/ar-AA16r7T8?cvid=4d24aa74ae3c43179717c87633902fe4Extracts: Brexit is doomed, says Boris Johnson’s favourite paper
Story by Adam Forrest • 17 Jan
The Conservatives have made such a “hash” of Brexit that the project is probably “unsalvageable”, according to Boris Johnson’s favourite newspaper.
An editorial column in The Telegraph – where Mr Johnson formerly worked and known to be his favoured newspaper – suggested that Brexit was now doomed to failure. Admitting “almost nothing has been achieved”, the Brexit-backing newspaper added: “With no plan to unleash its potential, it can only fester, stoking tensions in Northern Ireland and strangling small firms with red tape.”
“It is time for the Leave camp to start saying the unsayable: the Tories have made such a hash of Brexit that the project is probably now unsalvageable,” it added.
The column marks the rise of so-called “Bregret” or “Regrexit”, with polls indicating that many Leave voters believe Brexit is going badly and a growing number are in favour of rejoining the EU.
One in three Tory voters (33 per cent) believe Brexit has created more problems than it has solved, an Opinium survey in early January. A separate YouGov poll found 30 per cent of Leave voters said the UK should now forge closer ties with Brussels.
Polling guru Sir John Curtice said his own poll-of-polls analysis shows support for rejoining the EU at 57 per cent and staying out at 43 per cent if another referendum was held, having steadily risen over the past year.
Former Brexit secretary David Davis admitted in November that leaving had not delivered any “major” economic benefits. And fellow Tory MP Andrew Bowie – now a trade minister – previously admitted that young people may not “reap the benefits” of Brexit.
Tory MP Tobias Ellwood raised eyebrows in June by suggesting the UK could rejoin the EU’s single market to ease the cost of living crisis, saying he was “daring” the think outside the box.
“I fear that it is more likely that we end up re-joining the EU – and sooner than many people think,” wrote The Telegraph’s Sherelle Jacobs. “Not for the reasons the alt-Remainers believe, best expressed through their favourite cliche: nobody voted to be poorer.
“The real problem is that nobody voted for nothing to change. And Brexit has not brought about the kind of national reset that millions of people expected. Instead, it is beginning to look slightly rubbish, even pointless.”
It comes as a new joint report by top economic think tanks found that post-Brexit rules have led to a shortfall of around 330,000 workers in the UK and had helped fuel inflation.
The ending of free movement is “contributing significantly” to current labour shortages, the study by the UK in a Changing Europe and the Centre for European Reform found.
The academics found that low-skilled sectors – including hospitality, retail, construction and transportation – had been badly hit by the loss of EU workers after Brexit.
co-authors Prof Jonathan Portes and John Springford, who said visa rules were “too onerous to compensate for the loss of free movement in low-skilled sectors of the economy”.
Meanwhile, Asda chair Stuart Rose said on Tuesday the UK was suffering from the “catastrophic” impact of Brexit and should consider a closer trading relationship with Brussels.
“I can smell it – we have suffered. We are the only economy I think in the G7, possibly in the G20, who has actually not yet recovered to pre-Covid levels. That tells you something,” Lord Rose told LBC. The Tory peer said trade between the UK and the EU was “not flowing smoothly”, adding: “We can call it the Mickey Mouse agreement as far as I’m concerned. What we need to do is we need to have a stronger trading relationship.”
Your quotes are bullshit.
Take this one for example: 'Stuart Rose said on Tuesday the UK was suffering from the “catastrophic” impact'
What he fuck does he mean? This is just spin and imparts zero intelligence. An impact is what you get it you hit something with a hammer.
catastrophe (n.) 1530s, "reversal of what is expected" .
So he expects the opposite of what he now expects. Prick!
He's supposed to be running a business.
So, he's talking about a metaphorical hammer hitting the UK economy. What's the big deal? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 20:16:27 GMT
Yeah. We have to wait 50 years to see if the Brexit project's worth it. By that time, the UK will have dropped out of the G75. I dint know where you got 50 years from but that’s a lot of blubbing . I’m sure you are up for it though. Well. No less than Reesmug himself said it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 24, 2023 22:11:05 GMT
There is no "hard evidence" that Brexit has had a negative impact on GDP, trade, investment, inflation and employment. This is project fear MK 3.0 straight out of the remainers propaganda play book. www.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/what-impact-is-brexit-having-on-the-uk-economy/Secondly, the propaganda is admitted here by Savanta survey bean-counter when he expresses: “It’s hard to imagine being in the EU would solve any of the country’s current economic issues,” he said., “ but perceptions matter.” www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-poll-referendum-rejoin-eu-b2250813.htmlThe UK was in a mess when it was a member of the EU. No single market for financial services, low growth, low productivity, cheap labour, high costs etc. The propagandists can't erase history, and still try and lie that rejoining the EU would solve all these alleged problems they keep looking for. It's one big curated lie that remainers continuously purport - tell it enough - in the hope that it is believed to be true. "Perceptions matter". |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 24, 2023 22:59:50 GMT
Your quotes are bullshit.
Take this one for example: 'Stuart Rose said on Tuesday the UK was suffering from the “catastrophic” impact'
What he fuck does he mean? This is just spin and imparts zero intelligence. An impact is what you get it you hit something with a hammer.
catastrophe (n.) 1530s, "reversal of what is expected" .
So he expects the opposite of what he now expects. Prick!
He's supposed to be running a business.
So, he's talking about a metaphorical hammer hitting the UK economy. What's the big deal? He's a PR crap talker not a manager. Managers are objective. I've just been having this discussion on another thread. You should only quote someone if they are worth reading. We don't want fairy stories in the wonderful land of metaphor. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2023 7:50:19 GMT
Is that the same Stuart Rose who led the Remain campaign who famously admitted that if we left the EU wages would rise? - well to be fair he was right about that..  |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 25, 2023 8:34:53 GMT
Is that the same Stuart Rose who led the Remain campaign who famously admitted that if we left the EU wages would rise? - well to be fair he was right about that.. Whose wages? Huge chunks of the state economy numbering hundreds of thousands of people who have multiple jobs and still qualify for food banks? The ones who are now striking for a living wage? How about controlling UK borders and since 2020 there have been more breaches of the borders than at any time in history, including a seeming open door from Albanian criminals who never bothered us before we lost Europol. And those are the ones we know about. And all those fish the UK could now claim? "In 2021 there were 5,783 United Kingdom registered fishing vessels. This represents a 10 per cent reduction in the last ten years, however Gross Tonnage (GT) has remained the same at 202 thousand tonnes." Sep 29, 2022 www.gov.uk › news › fishin... Fishing industry in 2021 statistics published - GOV.UK The UK is the only country in the G7 and lowest in the G20 to not return to pre covid economic status. So when we discuss the success of Brexit maybe we should look at the promises and then look at the plans to make them happen. Replacing nurses bursaries? Removing parking charges for medical staff? More training places for doctors? 40 new hospitals? No more money to the EU? Border control? Better local policing? Investment in significant parts of the economy? Easier cross border trade? Less paperwork? Lots of new meaningful trade agreements? We can vote out politicians we don't like when we want? Still waiting. And waiting. And waiting. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 25, 2023 9:00:28 GMT
Is that the same Stuart Rose who led the Remain campaign who famously admitted that if we left the EU wages would rise? - well to be fair he was right about that.. Is it true what i read on twitter there that brexiter Tim Martin has closed forty wetherspoons across the yookay due to brexit?
Meanwhile lammy and starmer give speeches according to farage on "making brexit work" by literally tying the uk back into all the eu rules and regulations in a rehash of labours disasterous BRINO proposal that was rejected in 2019?
In all seriousness , looking at the polls ,i think brexit is indeed doomed.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 25, 2023 9:46:37 GMT
Is that the same Stuart Rose who led the Remain campaign who famously admitted that if we left the EU wages would rise? - well to be fair he was right about that.. Whose wages? Truck drivers, shop workers, factory workers, my wage.... Get over it Kim. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 25, 2023 9:48:36 GMT
Is that the same Stuart Rose who led the Remain campaign who famously admitted that if we left the EU wages would rise? - well to be fair he was right about that.. Is it true what i read on twitter there that brexiter Tim Martin has closed forty wetherspoons across the United Kingdom due to brexit?
No, pub closures are due to the legacy of Covid lockdowns, increased energy costs and beer prices as well as competition from supermarkets and the off licence trade. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 10:55:29 GMT
Is that the same Stuart Rose who led the Remain campaign who famously admitted that if we left the EU wages would rise? - well to be fair he was right about that.. Is it true what i read on twitter there that brexiter Tim Martin has closed forty wetherspoons across the yookay due to brexit? Meanwhile lammy and starmer give speeches according to farage on "making brexit work" by literally tying the uk back into all the eu rules and regulations in a rehash of labours disasterous BRINO proposal that was rejected in 2019? In all seriousness , looking at the polls ,i think brexit is indeed doomed.
It is true that Laura Kuenssberg tweeted that "Tim Martin is closing 40 Wetherspoons pubs due to Brexit." It is also true that in 2021, Wetherspoons ran out of beer because there were no truck drivers to get that stuff delivered to his pubs. Now, though, Martin blames everything bar his beloved Brexit for the dismal state of the pub sector (read: the state of Wetherspoons.) From Tesco to tax inequality to residential energy price cap. In fairness, he did call for more immigration from the EU to sort out the staff shortage problem. But obviously on his own intransigent Brexiteer terms. Australia-style points system! For chefs, drivers, veg harvesters & restaurant servers?  The man's head is way up his ass it doesn't occur to him that once you've demonised and have driven out EU migrants it would be difficult to lure them back with a UK temporary work visa. He is so arrogant he clearly thinks that EU workers need the UK more than the UK needs them. EU workers can work in Germany, the Netherlands, France, etc. with no visa. And they don't get demonised there. In the meantime, our locals wouldn't be caught dead waiting on tables. So, yup, Brexit is doomed. Purists ensured its demise from the get go. They made sure that Brexit can't deliver even a single positive outcome. Now, all they advise us is to accept lower standards and then wait, wait, wait. And wait some more. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 25, 2023 11:05:23 GMT
I dint know where you got 50 years from but that’s a lot of blubbing . I’m sure you are up for it though. Well. No less than Reesmug himself said it. I find your trust in his views quite surprising. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 25, 2023 11:57:50 GMT
It’s like watching paint dry mate. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 25, 2023 13:14:08 GMT
Is that the same Stuart Rose who led the Remain campaign who famously admitted that if we left the EU wages would rise? - well to be fair he was right about that.. Whose wages? Huge chunks of the state economy numbering hundreds of thousands of people who have multiple jobs and still qualify for food banks? The ones who are now striking for a living wage? How about controlling UK borders and since 2020 there have been more breaches of the borders than at any time in history, including a seeming open door from Albanian criminals who never bothered us before we lost Europol. And those are the ones we know about. And all those fish the UK could now claim? "In 2021 there were 5,783 United Kingdom registered fishing vessels. This represents a 10 per cent reduction in the last ten years, however Gross Tonnage (GT) has remained the same at 202 thousand tonnes." Sep 29, 2022 www.gov.uk › news › fishin... Fishing industry in 2021 statistics published - GOV.UK The UK is the only country in the G7 and lowest in the G20 to not return to pre covid economic status. So when we discuss the success of Brexit maybe we should look at the promises and then look at the plans to make them happen. Replacing nurses bursaries? Removing parking charges for medical staff? More training places for doctors? 40 new hospitals?No more money to the EU? Border control? Better local policing? Investment in significant parts of the economy? Easier cross border trade? Less paperwork? Lots of new meaningful trade agreements? We can vote out politicians we don't like when we want? Still waiting. And waiting. And waiting. I don't think we need any new hospitals. We are using unintelligent managerial practices which are creating more work. The NHS' incompetence is making people iller. They are creating their own workload. They are run by union bosses as thick as mince. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 25, 2023 13:49:43 GMT
OK. Judging by what Brexit promised, though, you would have thought that the promised Brexit benefits would arrive almost instantaneously. Now, even the effects of lockdowns on the hospitality sector has become a hollow cliche. Instead of a sharp increase in activity when we opened, we were greeted with what? -- staff shortage problems. Not everyone promised an upside others said there might be a small downturn. I looked at debt to GDP ratio at 86% after Brexit and before COV-ID, during lock-downs went to !02% so lets be clear it was COV-ID that crashed the economy rather than Brexit and forced people to dig into their savings and others to borrow so demand is now reduced. I'm not denying jobs were lost and know London HQs moved to the EU. Yet others did better, farmers less vehicles being stolen, fishermen 12 mile rule and manufacturers per a blogger on the old politics forum that worked in that field. I can't say that I believed anything anybody. pro or anti Brexit, said in the referendum campaign. To me the deciding factor was not economics, but the stream of UK PMs jetting off to Brussels to get their orders and then returning with delighted smiles as though the President of the EU commission had given them a sound rogering with the lavatory brush. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 25, 2023 15:32:55 GMT
Whose wages? Huge chunks of the state economy numbering hundreds of thousands of people who have multiple jobs and still qualify for food banks? The ones who are now striking for a living wage? How about controlling UK borders and since 2020 there have been more breaches of the borders than at any time in history, including a seeming open door from Albanian criminals who never bothered us before we lost Europol. And those are the ones we know about. And all those fish the UK could now claim? "In 2021 there were 5,783 United Kingdom registered fishing vessels. This represents a 10 per cent reduction in the last ten years, however Gross Tonnage (GT) has remained the same at 202 thousand tonnes." Sep 29, 2022 www.gov.uk › news › fishin... Fishing industry in 2021 statistics published - GOV.UK The UK is the only country in the G7 and lowest in the G20 to not return to pre covid economic status. So when we discuss the success of Brexit maybe we should look at the promises and then look at the plans to make them happen. Replacing nurses bursaries? Removing parking charges for medical staff? More training places for doctors? 40 new hospitals?No more money to the EU? Border control? Better local policing? Investment in significant parts of the economy? Easier cross border trade? Less paperwork? Lots of new meaningful trade agreements? We can vote out politicians we don't like when we want? Still waiting. And waiting. And waiting. I don't think we need any new hospitals. We are using unintelligent managerial practices which are creating more work. The NHS' incompetence is making people iller. They are creating their own workload. They are run by union bosses as thick as mince. Not the point Boris the Big Liar said he would build 40 new hospitals. Not paint the walls or turn a linen cupboard into a new ward for exhausted nurses. BUILD 40 NEW HOSPITALS. And worry about staffing them tomorrow. Or maybe Friday. |
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