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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2023 14:41:25 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2023 15:29:13 GMT
Brexit has happened . Claiming that Brexit is doomed is like insisting last Christmas is doomed because they never got enough presents . Yeah, it has happened. And we don't and can't get even the most basic return let alone presents. So, please.... Still early days yet. Ex remainer salty tears will never dry though . |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 24, 2023 18:13:44 GMT
I don't recall the Independent as being a pro-Brexit paper just the Daily Express and the Telegraph at times. We are predominately and perhaps more than the others in the G7 a service economy with little natural resources to export so will take time to see the benefits and lockdowns smashed the economy. OK. Judging by what Brexit promised, though, you would have thought that the promised Brexit benefits would arrive almost instantaneously. Now, even the effects of lockdowns on the hospitality sector has become a hollow cliche. Instead of a sharp increase in activity when we opened, we were greeted with what? -- staff shortage problems. Not everyone promised an upside others said there might be a small downturn. I looked at debt to GDP ratio at 86% after Brexit and before COV-ID, during lock-downs went to !02% so lets be clear it was COV-ID that crashed the economy rather than Brexit and forced people to dig into their savings and others to borrow so demand is now reduced. I'm not denying jobs were lost and know London HQs moved to the EU. Yet others did better, farmers less vehicles being stolen, fishermen 12 mile rule and manufacturers per a blogger on the old politics forum that worked in that field. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2023 18:58:29 GMT
Yeah, it has happened. And we don't and can't get even the most basic return let alone presents. So, please.... Still early days yet. Ex remainer salty tears will never dry though . True dat, Benny. It's a winning formula. We're gonna cry you a river.  |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2023 19:17:37 GMT
OK. Judging by what Brexit promised, though, you would have thought that the promised Brexit benefits would arrive almost instantaneously. Now, even the effects of lockdowns on the hospitality sector has become a hollow cliche. Instead of a sharp increase in activity when we opened, we were greeted with what? -- staff shortage problems. Not everyone promised an upside others said there might be a small downturn. I looked at debt to GDP ratio at 86% after Brexit and before COV-ID, during lock-downs went to !02% so lets be clear it was COV-ID that crashed the economy rather than Brexit and forced people to dig into their savings and others to borrow so demand is now reduced. I'm not denying jobs were lost and know London HQs moved to the EU. Yet others did better, farmers less vehicles being stolen, fishermen 12 mile rule and manufacturers per a blogger on the old politics forum that worked in that field. Wll said, although you might as well be talking to a brick wall. Remoaners won't accept any arguments whatsoever, they don't respect the ballot box, they believe in strength not democracy. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 24, 2023 19:36:01 GMT
Not everyone promised an upside others said there might be a small downturn. I looked at debt to GDP ratio at 86% after Brexit and before COV-ID, during lock-downs went to !02% so lets be clear it was COV-ID that crashed the economy rather than Brexit and forced people to dig into their savings and others to borrow so demand is now reduced. I'm not denying jobs were lost and know London HQs moved to the EU. Yet others did better, farmers less vehicles being stolen, fishermen 12 mile rule and manufacturers per a blogger on the old politics forum that worked in that field. Wll said, although you might as well be talking to a brick wall. Remoaners won't accept any arguments whatsoever, they don't respect the ballot box, they believe in strength not democracy. We also pee in the shower and run with scissors. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 19:44:13 GMT
OK. Judging by what Brexit promised, though, you would have thought that the promised Brexit benefits would arrive almost instantaneously. Now, even the effects of lockdowns on the hospitality sector has become a hollow cliche. Instead of a sharp increase in activity when we opened, we were greeted with what? -- staff shortage problems. promised an upside others said there might be a small downturn. I looked at debt to GDP ratio at 86% after Brexit and before COV-ID, during lock-downs went to !02% so lets be clear it was COV-ID that crashed the economy rather than Brexit and forced people to dig into their savings and others to borrow so demand is now reduced.
I'm not denying jobs were lost and know London HQs moved to the EU. Yet others did better, farmers less vehicles being stolen, fishermen 12 mile rule and manufacturers per a blogger on the old politics forum that worked in that field. Pointing out the exception rather than the overall rule doesn't cut it, I'm afraid. Sadly, the UK -- as of Autumn last year, at least -- is the only country in the G7 whose economy has not returned to pre-Covid level. And "coincidentally" the UK is the only country in the G7 that has been trying to surmount problems caused by Brext. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 19:49:45 GMT
Yeah, it has happened. And we don't and can't get even the most basic return let alone presents. So, please.... Still early days yet. Ex remainer salty tears will never dry though . Well. If we have to wait 50 years for even the smallest bit of positive outcome to come our way, then you don't have any business talking of presents, do you? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2023 19:54:25 GMT
Still early days yet. Ex remainer salty tears will never dry though . Well. If we have to wait 50 years for even the smallest bit of positive outcome to come our way, then you don't have any business talking of presents, do you? Looks like I was right then.. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 24, 2023 19:54:54 GMT
I'm sure Sunak would rather grow Conservative party support than grow a spine and save the UK economy and reputation from Brexit. But really, what do these guys mean exactly when they say "strong trading relationship with the EU?" Just another empty platitude, perhaps? Hollow Starmer-speak for straddling the lane that leads to Downing Street? www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-is-doomed-says-boris-johnson-s-favourite-paper/ar-AA16r7T8?cvid=4d24aa74ae3c43179717c87633902fe4Extracts: Brexit is doomed, says Boris Johnson’s favourite paper
Story by Adam Forrest • 17 Jan
The Conservatives have made such a “hash” of Brexit that the project is probably “unsalvageable”, according to Boris Johnson’s favourite newspaper.
An editorial column in The Telegraph – where Mr Johnson formerly worked and known to be his favoured newspaper – suggested that Brexit was now doomed to failure. Admitting “almost nothing has been achieved”, the Brexit-backing newspaper added: “With no plan to unleash its potential, it can only fester, stoking tensions in Northern Ireland and strangling small firms with red tape.”
“It is time for the Leave camp to start saying the unsayable: the Tories have made such a hash of Brexit that the project is probably now unsalvageable,” it added.
The column marks the rise of so-called “Bregret” or “Regrexit”, with polls indicating that many Leave voters believe Brexit is going badly and a growing number are in favour of rejoining the EU.
One in three Tory voters (33 per cent) believe Brexit has created more problems than it has solved, an Opinium survey in early January. A separate YouGov poll found 30 per cent of Leave voters said the UK should now forge closer ties with Brussels.
Polling guru Sir John Curtice said his own poll-of-polls analysis shows support for rejoining the EU at 57 per cent and staying out at 43 per cent if another referendum was held, having steadily risen over the past year.
Former Brexit secretary David Davis admitted in November that leaving had not delivered any “major” economic benefits. And fellow Tory MP Andrew Bowie – now a trade minister – previously admitted that young people may not “reap the benefits” of Brexit.
Tory MP Tobias Ellwood raised eyebrows in June by suggesting the UK could rejoin the EU’s single market to ease the cost of living crisis, saying he was “daring” the think outside the box.
“I fear that it is more likely that we end up re-joining the EU – and sooner than many people think,” wrote The Telegraph’s Sherelle Jacobs. “Not for the reasons the alt-Remainers believe, best expressed through their favourite cliche: nobody voted to be poorer.
“The real problem is that nobody voted for nothing to change. And Brexit has not brought about the kind of national reset that millions of people expected. Instead, it is beginning to look slightly rubbish, even pointless.”
It comes as a new joint report by top economic think tanks found that post-Brexit rules have led to a shortfall of around 330,000 workers in the UK and had helped fuel inflation.
The ending of free movement is “contributing significantly” to current labour shortages, the study by the UK in a Changing Europe and the Centre for European Reform found.
The academics found that low-skilled sectors – including hospitality, retail, construction and transportation – had been badly hit by the loss of EU workers after Brexit.
co-authors Prof Jonathan Portes and John Springford, who said visa rules were “too onerous to compensate for the loss of free movement in low-skilled sectors of the economy”.
Meanwhile, Asda chair Stuart Rose said on Tuesday the UK was suffering from the “catastrophic” impact of Brexit and should consider a closer trading relationship with Brussels.
“I can smell it – we have suffered. We are the only economy I think in the G7, possibly in the G20, who has actually not yet recovered to pre-Covid levels. That tells you something,” Lord Rose told LBC. The Tory peer said trade between the UK and the EU was “not flowing smoothly”, adding: “We can call it the Mickey Mouse agreement as far as I’m concerned. What we need to do is we need to have a stronger trading relationship.”
Your quotes are bullshit.
Take this one for example: 'Stuart Rose said on Tuesday the UK was suffering from the “catastrophic” impact'
What he fuck does he mean? This is just spin and imparts zero intelligence. An impact is what you get it you hit something with a hammer.
catastrophe (n.) 1530s, "reversal of what is expected" .
So he expects the opposite of what he now expects. Prick!
He's supposed to be running a business.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 19:55:07 GMT
Not everyone promised an upside others said there might be a small downturn. I looked at debt to GDP ratio at 86% after Brexit and before COV-ID, during lock-downs went to !02% so lets be clear it was COV-ID that crashed the economy rather than Brexit and forced people to dig into their savings and others to borrow so demand is now reduced. I'm not denying jobs were lost and know London HQs moved to the EU. Yet others did better, farmers less vehicles being stolen, fishermen 12 mile rule and manufacturers per a blogger on the old politics forum that worked in that field. Wll said, although you might as well be talking to a brick wall. Remoaners won't accept any arguments whatsoever, they don't respect the ballot box, they believe in strength not democracy. Once again: You have a very, very limited understanding of the concept of democracy. Please refrain from hiding behind that term. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 24, 2023 19:57:38 GMT
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2023 20:00:34 GMT
Yup . The lefties who lapped up the cheap Labour cry the bitterest tears of all. As for the Romanian pickpockets ..the Poles I worked with hated Romanians. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2023 20:01:20 GMT
Well. If we have to wait 50 years for even the smallest bit of positive outcome to come our way, then you don't have any business talking of presents, do you? Looks like I was right then.. Yeah. We have to wait 50 years to see if the Brexit project's worth it. By that time, the UK will have dropped out of the G75. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 24, 2023 20:03:19 GMT
Looks like I was right then.. Yeah. We have to wait 50 years to see if the Brexit project's worth it. By that time, the UK will have dropped out of the G75. I dint know where you got 50 years from but that’s a lot of blubbing . I’m sure you are up for it though. |
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