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Post by oracle75 on Feb 5, 2023 9:13:36 GMT
WHEN WILL THE BRITISH PEOPLE STOP BEING BRAINWASHED BY GREEDY POLITICIANS AND THE MURDOCH PRESS??? They lie directly and they lie by omission and get away with it in an age where almost all knowledge is available from home. The rallying cry of taking back control was because the EU was thinking about closing some tax havens, the majority located in British territory. And used by influential friends of powerful politicians. Including the now exposed Zahawi. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-list-of-non-cooperative-jurisdictions/en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_tax_haven_blacklist#:~:text=The%20European%20Union%20tax%20haven,States%20to%20undermine%20tax%20competition. So let's look at taking back control. The UK refused to join the EU vaccine programme and became the country with the highest number of deaths in Western Europe. The UK began paying customs duty and filling out paperwork that was not necessary when in the EU. The UK fishing industry cannot sell its catch freely into the EU and has not grown but shrunk as a consequence. www.sustainweb.org/news/jan19_frc_briefing_fishing/#:~:text=Overfishing%20and%20the%20UK's%20own,access%20to%20vital%20fish%20markets. BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PLAN. Just like everything else there were lies and impossible promises but no serious plans about what control means. And you cannot have control when your largest trading partner can call all the shots.the days of the BritishvEmpire are gone and the UK must start to tell our children the difference between history and the present. Example...the UK invests billions in producing and launching a communications satellite and it blows up. When the EU has dozens of them already . And we pay for this nonsense. And finally the Brexit government is a joke, a copy of Boris, voted in because he tells a good story. He damned well does. It took three years for a sovereign country to show itself divided, incompetent and corrupt. He ran the government like the last days of the Roman Empire. And all because of slogans and ridiculous promises that assumed the British public would never check. And they were right. And we must now live with the consequences. |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 5, 2023 11:22:08 GMT
The EU is a shitty overpriced semi dictatorship and I am fucking glad to be out.
Nobody elected the Commission who are the only ones in it allowed to write and execute policy.
And their policies and shit.
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Post by sword on Feb 5, 2023 15:57:37 GMT
WHEN WILL THE BRITISH PEOPLE STOP BEING BRAINWASHED BY GREEDY POLITICIANS AND THE MURDOCH PRESS??? They lie directly and they lie by omission and get away with it in an age where almost all knowledge is available from home. The rallying cry of taking back control was because the EU was thinking about closing some tax havens, the majority located in British territory. And used by influential friends of powerful politicians. Including the now exposed Zahawi. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/policies/eu-list-of-non-cooperative-jurisdictions/en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_tax_haven_blacklist#:~:text=The%20European%20Union%20tax%20haven,States%20to%20undermine%20tax%20competition. So let's look at taking back control. The UK refused to join the EU vaccine programme and became the country with the highest number of deaths in Western Europe. The UK began paying customs duty and filling out paperwork that was not necessary when in the EU. The UK fishing industry cannot sell its catch freely into the EU and has not grown but shrunk as a consequence. www.sustainweb.org/news/jan19_frc_briefing_fishing/#:~:text=Overfishing%20and%20the%20UK's%20own,access%20to%20vital%20fish%20markets. BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PLAN. Just like everything else there were lies and impossible promises but no serious plans about what control means. And you cannot have control when your largest trading partner can call all the shots.the days of the BritishvEmpire are gone and the UK must start to tell our children the difference between history and the present. Example...the UK invests billions in producing and launching a communications satellite and it blows up. When the EU has dozens of them already . And we pay for this nonsense. And finally the Brexit government is a joke, a copy of Boris, voted in because he tells a good story. He damned well does. It took three years for a sovereign country to show itself divided, incompetent and corrupt. He ran the government like the last days of the Roman Empire. And all because of slogans and ridiculous promises that assumed the British public would never check. And they were right. And we must now live with the consequences. Have you only just noticed how the media lie,thats their job to maintain the Status quo,as for foreign affaires the scumbags have been lying for decades,Goebbels once said propaganda works best when people think they are making choices of their own free will. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 5, 2023 17:33:54 GMT
Of course they have lied throughout history.
But we never learn to see it when it is in plain sight.
Those most responsible for Brexit include the political/press alliance and their manipulation of the people, and the glaring hole in education that should expose their tricks and hooks.
You won't ever stop power trying to trick you for a vote but we should be taught how they do it.
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2023 17:44:04 GMT
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PLAN. There was no shortage of plans - there was a shortage of politicians willing to implement those plans.. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 5, 2023 22:06:05 GMT
BECAUSE THERE WAS NO PLAN. There was no shortage of plans - there was a shortage of politicians willing to implement those plans.. There were no plans. There were uncosted promises and no recognition of the problems Brexit would bring. There were promises of no tarrifs and no discussion about customs duties. There were promises of magical abilities to recreate Eliz 1 and repel immigrants. There were promises to recreate that Middle Ages when individuals owned their own boats and processed their own fish. There was absolutely no plan about the customs border in Ireland. There was a lot of "what we could do" without any "how are we going to do it without bumping up against the rest of the world"...example, interest rates. The cardinal rule...hope for the best, prepare for the worst, was ignored by Bouncing Boris who preferred to introduce his own ideas of kingship...proroguing parliament, in the great swell of government by whim rather than in partnership with allies. All celebrated by parties of course...not even a pandemic could prevent sovereignty soaks. So what did Brexit do for the UK? Personally it has made me more than happy that my husband was treated under French health care. I am quite sure he would be dead by now if we were in the UK. He is coming home by the end of Feb and visited twice a day by auxiliary doctors who will relay tests etc to his doctor both at the hospital and our own local doctor. They will communicate as and when. And his bed will be freed up for someone else. It can't happen in Brexit Britain. We discourage foreign medical personnel from working for the NHS. In fact we discourage our own medical staff from working for the NHS. Another lie...shortage of staff equals higher pay. They forgot to say higher pay equals inflation. Someone has to pay. And what about growth? The UK has the slowest growth of GDP in Europe. No country...I repeat NO COUNTRY is in full sovereign control of itself if it wants to trade. Or attract investment. As for freeports, the UK used to have them and there is no EU law that denies them. The promise of huge economic value is another lie. www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55819489As for growth, Compared to the pre-pandemic level, UK GDP in Q3 2022 was 0.8% lower. This compares with Eurozone GDP being 2.3% higher than its pre-pandemic level, while US GDP was 4.4% higher. commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn02784/Unfortunately I don't think Brexit is doomed. I think it has doomed the UK. And when history looks back, it will reveal the outrageous lies told by the politicians and the press who promised a Renaissance and got a reverse stop. And a footnote which mentions the small number of those who believed those lies and who continued to admit they believed them even when proven wrong. I am pleased to hear more being more honest and admitting they made a mistake. But unfortunately it is too late. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2023 22:30:54 GMT
There was no shortage of plans - there was a shortage of politicians willing to implement those plans.. There were no plans. Oh do try and be sensible for once in your life. There were politicians from all sides proposing the whole gamut of options from joining the EEA, joining EFTA, Common Market 2.0, WTO rules or even the North Korean option. The fact is that the only plan that could command a majority in the Commons was the one negotiated by Johnson. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 5, 2023 22:49:29 GMT
Oh do try and be sensible for once in your life. There were politicians from all sides proposing the whole gamut of options from joining the EEA, joining EFTA, Common Market 2.0, WTO rules or even the North Korean option. The fact is that the only plan that could command a majority in the Commons was the one negotiated by Johnson. Those are not plans At best they are options with no detail or context. At worst they were a lie. By the way the UK always belonged to the WTO in its own right. And still does. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 5, 2023 23:03:18 GMT
Oh do try and be sensible for once in your life. There were politicians from all sides proposing the whole gamut of options from joining the EEA, joining EFTA, Common Market 2.0, WTO rules or even the North Korean option. The fact is that the only plan that could command a majority in the Commons was the one negotiated by Johnson. Those are not plans At best they are options with no detail or context. At worst they were a lie. By the way the UK always belonged to the WTO in its own right. And still does. So if you were not looking for something like EEA membership or EFTA membership what sort of plan were you looking for? |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 6, 2023 0:00:32 GMT
Those are not plans At best they are options with no detail or context. At worst they were a lie. By the way the UK always belonged to the WTO in its own right. And still does. So if you were not looking for something like EEA membership or EFTA membership what sort of plan were you looking for? Remoaners wanted to block democracy and turn us into a dictatorship. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 6, 2023 7:33:16 GMT
Those are not plans At best they are options with no detail or context. At worst they were a lie. By the way the UK always belonged to the WTO in its own right. And still does. So if you were not looking for something like EEA membership or EFTA membership what sort of plan were you looking for? Those aren't plans. Plans are about how the government will run the country, priorities, budgets, a direction, what kind of country we want to be. If the argument for leaving was sovereignty, why would we want to merely move our voluntary alliance from one to another, both close to the EU we voted to leave? I don't see anything resembling a plan, such as levelling up, happening. Nor the 40 new hospitals plan or even Moggie's cheap shoes. You can't level up by spending hundreds of billions of pounds on one project, HS2. You need a hundred years of investment that creates stable employment, huge replacement of housing and services. It was a promise, not a plan. Part of those sunlit uplands you find in children's fiction. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 6, 2023 7:46:52 GMT
So if you were not looking for something like EEA membership or EFTA membership what sort of plan were you looking for? Those aren't plans. Plans are about how the government will run the country, priorities, budgets, a direction, what kind of country we want to be. If the argument for leaving was sovereignty, why would we want to merely move our voluntary alliance from one to another, both close to the EU we voted to leave? I don't see anything resembling a plan, such as levelling up, happening. Nor the 40 new hospitals plan or even Moggie's cheap shoes. You can't level up by spending hundreds of billions of pounds on one project, HS2. You need a hundred years of investment that creates stable employment, huge replacement of housing and services. It was a promise, not a plan. Part of those sunlit uplands you find in children's fiction. Spending priorities, budgets, direction change with every change in Government - whether we are in or out of the EU makes no difference. You complained that those wanting to leave the EU had no plan - but the only 'plan' that is relevant to the EU is under what terms do we trade with them - and as I have already pointed out there was no shortage of them. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 6, 2023 16:28:15 GMT
Those aren't plans. Plans are about how the government will run the country, priorities, budgets, a direction, what kind of country we want to be. If the argument for leaving was sovereignty, why would we want to merely move our voluntary alliance from one to another, both close to the EU we voted to leave? I don't see anything resembling a plan, such as levelling up, happening. Nor the 40 new hospitals plan or even Moggie's cheap shoes. You can't level up by spending hundreds of billions of pounds on one project, HS2. You need a hundred years of investment that creates stable employment, huge replacement of housing and services. It was a promise, not a plan. Part of those sunlit uplands you find in children's fiction. Spending priorities, budgets, direction change with every change in Government - whether we are in or out of the EU makes no difference. You complained that those wanting to leave the EU had no plan - but the only 'plan' that is relevant to the EU is under what terms do we trade with them - and as I have already pointed out there was no shortage of them. I would stop replying if I were you because every time you do you expose more ignorance. The relationship the UK had with the EU included development of communications and technology, protection of the environment which clearly was not in the sovereign plans given the pollution exposed recently), border control no plans then and so far, no viable plans yet), quality control, customs checks in Northern Ireland, how to replace Europol which used to include the EU in criminal activity including Albanian smuggling. And the UK was going to once again lead the way in car production, but can't keep battery company alive for 6 months before going bust and selling out to a foreign country. So much for sovereignty. J Lots of huge Disney land sized promises...the reality is a set of 7 dwarves. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 6, 2023 17:39:45 GMT
Spending priorities, budgets, direction change with every change in Government - whether we are in or out of the EU makes no difference. You complained that those wanting to leave the EU had no plan - but the only 'plan' that is relevant to the EU is under what terms do we trade with them - and as I have already pointed out there was no shortage of them. I would stop replying if I were you because every time you do you expose more ignorance. The relationship the UK had with the EU included development of communications and technology, protection of the environment which clearly was not in the sovereign plans given the pollution exposed recently), border control no plans then and so far, no viable plans yet), quality control, customs checks in Northern Ireland, how to replace Europol which used to include the EU in criminal activity including Albanian smuggling. And the UK was going to once again lead the way in car production, but can't keep battery company alive for 6 months before going bust and selling out to a foreign country. So much for sovereignty. J Lots of huge Disney land sized promises...the reality is a set of 7 dwarves. LOL - you are on a roll again. I'll try again - you specified HS2 as one of your complaints. Well whether the UK has a train line going to Leeds or not is nothing at all to do with EU membership or the leave campaign at the referendum. Another of your complaints was about 40 new hospitals - WTF has the number of hospitals got to do with EU membership?. Try and stick to reality for a change. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 6, 2023 22:44:02 GMT
Both were used by Brexit Boris as an example of what the UK could do without the EU.
Brexit Boris thought he could run the UK like he runs his domestic affairs. Endless credit and bulshiting his way in the name of sovereignty. Which to him means the UK can do whatever it wants.
Except that this was the biggest lie of all.
He lied to Parliament. And he lied to the people.
There is a punishment for one.
There should be a greater punishment for the other.
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