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Post by jonksy on Feb 3, 2023 1:47:06 GMT
The UK voted to leave the EUSSR six and a half years ago 52 to 48 per cent yet the UK's decision continues to divide the nation. Several challenges still need to be overcome including the Northern Ireland Protocol and a US trade deal. Tory MP and Eurosceptic Sir Bill Cash said: "People think things haven't happened, but they certainly have constitutionally and legislatively." He added: "These massive changes do take time - and that's without Covid, the war in Ukraine and an energy and cost of living crisis to contend with." However, Guy Hands, leading investor and founder and chairman of Terra Firma Capital Partners, claimed Brexit has been a "complete disaster" and a "bunch of total lies" that has harmed large parts of the economy. He continued: "The reality is it's been a lose-lose situation for us and Europe."
www.msn.com/en-gb/money/other/brexit-hailed-as-enormous-success-three-years-on-your-verdict/ar-AA16ZGMJ?cvid=d3ccfd15b5fe4f09b2b9e21adb321f44&ocid=winp2fptaskbarhoverSomeone needs to tell the proud nationalist on the left that he is holding his Union Flag upside down. If he was a true patriot he would know that. So has some lefty councils.... |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2023 5:24:46 GMT
You seem to have a problem with proposing and passing. The commission proposed what the council and Parliament agree every five years to concentrate on. It is called a specific agenda. THE UK might call it a manifesto. It can sit and scribble laws till midnight, 24/7. If the ELECTED parts of the EU and the members don't pass it, it disappears. How on God's earth does that equate to power?  You seem to be having some difficulty in understanding who holds the real power within the monstrosity that is the EU. Yes the elected parliament pass new legislation, legislation that is proposed by the unelected commission. The EU parliament is like no parliament anywhere in the world, it has no power to propose legislation and that is no accident. It's little more than a facade designed to give the impression of democracy. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 3, 2023 8:00:43 GMT
Lol Corroborate? What your rudimental thinking that correlation equals causation. You have no credit left genome. You failed to provide evidence to your claims. You shout from the mouth daily about Brexit and start cringey threads like 'Brexit caused Russia to invade Ukraine'. You even lie about the evidence I give you that's how fanatically bonkers your are. Though you can't substantiate your correlation = causation claims. You simply are an embarrassment. Ufftt, You're back to this "correlation" and "causation" thing again. So high school!  You should really stop referring to your Introduction to Statistics 101 notes already. You won't get anywhere with them. Look at you, running around in a circle. So. Now. Where is your evidence that Brexit has not had a negative effect on the British economy? Where? Your "introduction to statistics 101" is your own work! Lol. You believe correlation equals causation. You've furthered your argument no more than that. Lol I've. Asked. You. To. Demonstrate. Your. Claim. You have failed miserably and it's on this board for all to see. All you have done is embarrass yourself by waffling without any substance. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 3, 2023 8:03:02 GMT
You seem to have a problem with proposing and passing. The commission proposed what the council and Parliament agree every five years to concentrate on. It is called a specific agenda. THE UK might call it a manifesto. It can sit and scribble laws till midnight, 24/7. If the ELECTED parts of the EU and the members don't pass it, it disappears. How on God's earth does that equate to power? You seem to be having some difficulty in understanding who holds the real power within the monstrosity that is the EU. Yes the elected parliament pass new legislation, legislation that is proposed by the unelected commission. The EU parliament is like no parliament anywhere in the world, it has no power to propose legislation and that is no accident. It's little more than a facade designed to give the impression of democracy. The commission works closely with the Council to create a five year mandate on which proposed legislation is based. If the Council or Parliament don't like it, it is dropped. How can a body spend time putting ideas into words, making sure it is legal according to every members Constitution, translated exactly and is enforceable, if they know the legislation will be refused?? Don't be daft. Each proposal is voted on 3 times. Look to our Parliament. Laws proposed by a chosen cabinet and voted on once. An unelected house of Lords, no less, stuffed full of political donors and useful idiots. Don't tell me about democracy. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Feb 3, 2023 8:28:14 GMT
There is no aspect of Brexit we voted for … that has been delivered.
1). Border security … no change … 2,000x worse.
2). Criminal elements and BLM anarchists still costing us billions. No fast track deportations saving taxpayers money …same Financial fiascos.
3). The WEF based in Brussels still controls the UK …. their man they groomed for the last few years, Rishi Sunak, is now running Britain for at least the next 2 years. We didn’t vote for him. Democracy here is a sham … as is Brexit.
Sunak generated policies within the Cabinet that deliberately bankrupted Britain and it’s economy during this Plandemic … which these manipulators were preparing over 8 years ago.
Factions inside and outside Britain deliberately engineered Brexit to fail … from Day 1.
They declared war on us since the vote… and have abused us ever since.
Voting is a waste of time these days. The Truss Fiasco was engineered by the WEF. She got a cushy pension pot payout for 3 weeks work playing the ‘patsie’ - purely a stop gap …. to make Sunak look like a ‘saviour’ … and not the pathetic puppet shoe-in he obviously is.
Democracy is DEAD.
CIVIL WAR IS NOW JUST AROUND THE CORNER. … engineered by immigrant interference. … internally and externally.
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Post by see2 on Feb 3, 2023 9:21:38 GMT
Someone needs to tell the proud nationalist on the left that he is holding his Union Flag upside down. If he was a true patriot he would know that. So has some lefty councils.... No answer so deviate. |
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 3, 2023 9:23:06 GMT
So has some lefty councils.... No answer so deviate. There was no question to answer. Remainers (pah) they think they are intelligent! |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2023 13:13:36 GMT
You seem to be having some difficulty in understanding who holds the real power within the monstrosity that is the EU. Yes the elected parliament pass new legislation, legislation that is proposed by the unelected commission. The EU parliament is like no parliament anywhere in the world, it has no power to propose legislation and that is no accident. It's little more than a facade designed to give the impression of democracy. The commission works closely with the Council to create a five year mandate on which proposed legislation is based. If the Council or Parliament don't like it, it is dropped. How can a body spend time putting ideas into words, making sure it is legal according to every members Constitution, translated exactly and is enforceable, if they know the legislation will be refused?? Don't be daft. Each proposal is voted on 3 times. Look to our Parliament. Laws proposed by a chosen cabinet and voted on once. An unelected house of Lords, no less, stuffed full of political donors and useful idiots. Don't tell me about democracy. We appear to be moving in circles. I refer you to back to a previous post in which it was established that: The 'Unelected' European Commission is responsible for planning, preparing and proposing new European legislation.And it doesn't matter how much you wriggle and prevaricate that's not going to change. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2023 13:22:07 GMT
Someone needs to tell the proud nationalist on the left that he is holding his Union Flag upside down. If he was a true patriot he would know that. You can say Union Jack, in fact, Union Jack is the correct terminology, not that it's hanging offence. Just saying  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 3, 2023 13:26:09 GMT
Someone needs to tell the proud nationalist on the left that he is holding his Union Flag upside down. If he was a true patriot he would know that. You can say Union Jack, in fact, Union Jack is the correct terminology, not that it's hanging offence. Just saying I'm a traditionalist. A Union Jack is what you fly on a boat at sea. In harbour or on land it is a Union Flag. Call me old fashioned but I also fly mine the correct way up. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 3, 2023 13:38:28 GMT
You can say Union Jack, in fact, Union Jack is the correct terminology, not that it's hanging offence. Just saying I'm a traditionalist. A Union Jack is what you fly on a boat at sea. In harbour or on land it is a Union Flag. Call me old fashioned but I also fly mine the correct way up. Well yes that's fine, I doubt anyone would complain about you referring to the Union Jack as the Union Flag. But for the record, in 1902 the admiralty announced that either name could be used, which caused some confusion. So in 1908 the government announced that the national flag should be called the Union Jack. But like I say, it's hardly a hanging offence. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 3, 2023 15:01:12 GMT
I'm a traditionalist. A Union Jack is what you fly on a boat at sea. In harbour or on land it is a Union Flag. Call me old fashioned but I also fly mine the correct way up. Well yes that's fine, I doubt anyone would complain about you referring to the Union Jack as the Union Flag. But for the record, in 1902 the admiralty announced that either name could be used, which caused some confusion. So in 1908 the government announced that the national flag should be called the Union Jack. But like I say, it's hardly a hanging offence. Like I say, I'm a traditionalist. I take mine down at sunset too as decreed by Pepys. I only fly it on special occasions though. It's not up all the time. |
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 3, 2023 19:33:39 GMT
The commission works closely with the Council to create a five year mandate on which proposed legislation is based. If the Council or Parliament don't like it, it is dropped. How can a body spend time putting ideas into words, making sure it is legal according to every members Constitution, translated exactly and is enforceable, if they know the legislation will be refused?? Don't be daft. Each proposal is voted on 3 times. Look to our Parliament. Laws proposed by a chosen cabinet and voted on once. An unelected house of Lords, no less, stuffed full of political donors and useful idiots. Don't tell me about democracy. We appear to be moving in circles. I refer you to back to a previous post in which it was established that: The 'Unelected' European Commission is responsible for planning, preparing and proposing new European legislation.And it doesn't matter how much you wriggle and prevaricate that's not going to change. It is specific legislation based on the Strategic Agenda, a 5 year list of areas and concerns the council and Parliament agree to. www.consilium.europa.eu/en/eu-strategic-agenda-2019-2024/The commission shape laws that concern themselves with those objectives and ELECTED people vote on them. INCLUDING EVERY MEMBERS' GOVERNMENTS which have the right to amend or ask for an opt out. It might help if you understood how the EU makes laws. Read the intro and keep acroll8ng to educate yourself. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 4, 2023 10:08:19 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Feb 4, 2023 14:47:20 GMT
Read your own link properly.
Where EU laws and policies come from
The Commission proposes laws and policies on its own initiative. It can also respond to invitations to do so from:
the European Council (heads of state or government of each EU country)
the Council of the European Union (government ministers from each EU country)
the European Parliament (directly elected by EU citizens)
Citizens themselves, following a successful European Citizens’ Initiative
The Commission prepares laws and policies transparently, based on evidence and backed up by the views of citizens and stakeholders. This is referred to as Better Regulation.
How they are planned
In its annual work programme, the Commission makes a political commitment to deliver on a certain number of priorities during a given calendar year.
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You should really stop referring to your Introduction to Statistics 101 notes already. You won't get anywhere with them. Look at you, running around in a circle.
