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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 15:27:31 GMT
Putin and his invasion of Ukraine IS THE PROBLEM. The UK produces over 40% of the gas it needs. The "green dream" as you put it wouldn't even look like it was any sort of problem if Russia had not invaded the Ukraine. Which for the UK is mostly about Russian oil along with some gas. The UK no longer owns any reserves in the North Sea, Mrs. Thatcher privatised it. Shale Gas should, IMO be exploited. Again IMO, and as I have already suggested. The aim for Net Zero WIIL NOT TRASH THE UK ECONOMY. No government would allow it. If push comes to shove the Law on going green will either be dropped or changed. You're away with the eco fairies. Net zero is already having a negative effect on western economies. Last year the Climate Change Committee, of all committees, said net zero could 'reduce our international competitiveness'. In other words, damage the economy. For example, just a few weeks ago the CEO of German chemical giant BASF announced that due to huge increases in energy costs [Germany is heavily reliant on unreliable wind power] BASF will be moving from Germany to a €10 billion mega plant in China. Anyone who thinks net zero will not have an adverse effect on western economies as coal based economies boom, should not be taken seriously. IIRC Germany made the decision to start to close down its Nuclear plants in 2011. __"The Merkel government has decided to phase out both nuclear power and coal plants. The last German reactor is scheduled to shut down by the end of 2022, the last coal-fired plant by 2038. At the same time, the government has encouraged the purchase of climate-friendly electric cars — increasing the demand for electrical power."__ That is when it started to go green. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 26, 2023 18:16:12 GMT
Lets do more green energy shall we ? National Grid 'made emergency requests to Europe for help to avert blackouts across the south-east of England after network fault' Thousands of homes were at risk of blackouts yesterday, reports claim It comes as millions have signed up to a scheme that pays to shut electricity off
Ironically just as they were paying people not to use energy they were also paying energy producers not to supply energy - that is the lunacy that the Energy grid is in now. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 26, 2023 18:37:45 GMT
You're away with the eco fairies. Net zero is already having a negative effect on western economies. Last year the Climate Change Committee, of all committees, said net zero could 'reduce our international competitiveness'. In other words, damage the economy. For example, just a few weeks ago the CEO of German chemical giant BASF announced that due to huge increases in energy costs [Germany is heavily reliant on unreliable wind power] BASF will be moving from Germany to a €10 billion mega plant in China. Anyone who thinks net zero will not have an adverse effect on western economies as coal based economies boom, should not be taken seriously. IIRC Germany made the decision to start to close down its Nuclear plants in 2011. __"The Merkel government has decided to phase out both nuclear power and coal plants. The last German reactor is scheduled to shut down by the end of 2022, the last coal-fired plant by 2038. At the same time, the government has encouraged the purchase of climate-friendly electric cars — increasing the demand for electrical power."__ That is when it started to go green. And as they were closing down Germany was buying French, mainly nuclear energy, while it started to rebuild its coal-fired power. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 18:58:17 GMT
IIRC Germany made the decision to start to close down its Nuclear plants in 2011. __"The Merkel government has decided to phase out both nuclear power and coal plants. The last German reactor is scheduled to shut down by the end of 2022, the last coal-fired plant by 2038. At the same time, the government has encouraged the purchase of climate-friendly electric cars — increasing the demand for electrical power."__ That is when it started to go green. And as they were closing down Germany was buying French, mainly nuclear energy, while it started to rebuild its coal-fired power. Presumably the French had energy to spare. While that might be true, it doesn't change the point that Germany is struggling today because of the effects of the war in the Ukraine. Without that invasion Germany could have continued along its Green path and wouldn't be investing Billions on building up its armed forces. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 26, 2023 19:08:49 GMT
And as they were closing down Germany was buying French, mainly nuclear energy, while it started to rebuild its coal-fired power. Presumably the French had energy to spare. While that might be true, it doesn't change the point that Germany is struggling today because of the effects of the war in the Ukraine. Without that invasion Germany could have continued along its Green path and wouldn't be investing Billions on building up its armed forces. Nope, they're struggling for the same reason we are, they don't have enough capacity to produce electricity; put it down to the daft aim of reducing carbon footprint, it's why we are in the shit and boast our low CO2 output. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 19:23:25 GMT
Presumably the French had energy to spare. While that might be true, it doesn't change the point that Germany is struggling today because of the effects of the war in the Ukraine. Without that invasion Germany could have continued along its Green path and wouldn't be investing Billions on building up its armed forces. Nope, they're struggling for the same reason we are, they don't have enough capacity to produce electricity; put it down to the daft aim of reducing carbon footprint, it's why we are in the shit and boast our low CO2 output. You seem to forget that Putin's madness has seen oil prices shoot up to $100 a barrel. Thereby lies the problem. Just imagine how rich the UK would be right now if Thatcher hadn't sold off North Sea oil and gas ?? Richer and self sufficient tut tut. __"There are currently 32 active gas fired combined cycle power plants operating in the United Kingdom,"__ |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 26, 2023 19:32:08 GMT
Nope, they're struggling for the same reason we are, they don't have enough capacity to produce electricity; put it down to the daft aim of reducing carbon footprint, it's why we are in the shit and boast our low CO2 output. You seem to forget that Putin's madness has seen oil prices shoot up to $100 a barrel. Thereby lies the problem. Just imagine how rich the UK would be right now if Thatcher hadn't sold off North Sea oil and gas ?? Richer and self sufficient tut tut. North Sea oil has limited applications, for instance it's not the best for refining for automotive use, though I agree Thatcher should not have sold it. However the fact remains we have failed to build enough capacity for anywhere near our needs. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 19:38:19 GMT
You seem to forget that Putin's madness has seen oil prices shoot up to $100 a barrel. Thereby lies the problem. Just imagine how rich the UK would be right now if Thatcher hadn't sold off North Sea oil and gas ?? Richer and self sufficient tut tut. North Sea oil has limited applications, for instance it's not the best for refining for automotive use, though I agree Thatcher should not have sold it. However the fact remains we have failed to build enough capacity for anywhere near our needs. __"There are currently 32 active gas fired combined cycle power plants operating in the United Kingdom,"__ |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 26, 2023 22:12:52 GMT
North Sea oil has limited applications, for instance it's not the best for refining for automotive use, though I agree Thatcher should not have sold it. However the fact remains we have failed to build enough capacity for anywhere near our needs. __"There are currently 32 active gas fired combined cycle power plants operating in the United Kingdom,"__ You were talking about North Sea oil, so was I. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 27, 2023 5:57:21 GMT
You're away with the eco fairies. Net zero is already having a negative effect on western economies. Last year the Climate Change Committee, of all committees, said net zero could 'reduce our international competitiveness'. In other words, damage the economy. For example, just a few weeks ago the CEO of German chemical giant BASF announced that due to huge increases in energy costs [Germany is heavily reliant on unreliable wind power] BASF will be moving from Germany to a €10 billion mega plant in China. Anyone who thinks net zero will not have an adverse effect on western economies as coal based economies boom, should not be taken seriously. IIRC Germany made the decision to start to close down its Nuclear plants in 2011. __"The Merkel government has decided to phase out both nuclear power and coal plants. The last German reactor is scheduled to shut down by the end of 2022, the last coal-fired plant by 2038. At the same time, the government has encouraged the purchase of climate-friendly electric cars — increasing the demand for electrical power."__ That is when it started to go green. It's a laugh isn't it, Germany currently have no fewar than 63 coal fired power stations, the last of which was built in 2020. They were due to close by 2030, but as you rightly say that date has been pushed back to 2038 and will in all likelihood be pushed back further. The German government have spent an eye watering €200 billion on renewable energy, yet they need 'reliable' coal generated electricity to meet winter demand. It doesn't matter how much a government spends on renewables, if the wind doesn't blow then very expensive wind turbines don't generate electricity. Who knew. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2023 8:47:36 GMT
IIRC Germany made the decision to start to close down its Nuclear plants in 2011. __"The Merkel government has decided to phase out both nuclear power and coal plants. The last German reactor is scheduled to shut down by the end of 2022, the last coal-fired plant by 2038. At the same time, the government has encouraged the purchase of climate-friendly electric cars — increasing the demand for electrical power."__ That is when it started to go green. It's a laugh isn't it, Germany currently have no fewar than 63 coal fired power stations, the last of which was built in 2020. They were due to close by 2030, but as you rightly say that date has been pushed back to 2038 and will in all likelihood be pushed back further. The German government have spent an eye watering €200 billion on renewable energy, yet they need 'reliable' coal generated electricity to meet winter demand. It doesn't matter how much a government spends on renewables, if the wind doesn't blow then very expensive wind turbines don't generate electricity. Who knew. I would suggest that all western economies have been hit hard economically, in more ways than one. So in a similar fashion to 2008 all the previous planning is out of kilter. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2023 8:49:57 GMT
__"There are currently 32 active gas fired combined cycle power plants operating in the United Kingdom,"__ You were talking about North Sea oil, so was I. I think we were on about producing energy. But never mind, I just added a bit of information. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2023 8:57:26 GMT
You seem to forget that Putin's madness has seen oil prices shoot up to $100 a barrel. Thereby lies the problem. Just imagine how rich the UK would be right now if Thatcher hadn't sold off North Sea oil and gas ?? Richer and self sufficient tut tut. North Sea oil has limited applications, for instance it's not the best for refining for automotive use, though I agree Thatcher should not have sold it. However the fact remains we have failed to build enough capacity for anywhere near our needs. According to Pacifico's post above, the Problem is not a lack of energy, it is the cost of it. Which has seen big cut backs by customers leading to the cutting back of production. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 27, 2023 11:14:19 GMT
North Sea oil has limited applications, for instance it's not the best for refining for automotive use, though I agree Thatcher should not have sold it. However the fact remains we have failed to build enough capacity for anywhere near our needs. According to Pacifico's post above, the Problem is not a lack of energy, it is the cost of it. Which has seen big cut backs by customers leading to the cutting back of production. The cost of it is aligned with the fact successive governments have miserasbly failed to create sufficient generation. I will no doubt have to repeat this several times. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2023 22:14:37 GMT
According to Pacifico's post above, the Problem is not a lack of energy, it is the cost of it. Which has seen big cut backs by customers leading to the cutting back of production. The cost of it is aligned with the fact successive governments have miserasbly failed to create sufficient generation. I will no doubt have to repeat this several times. NOPE, they have just had to cut back on generation because the call for it is just not there, which is down to the market cost reducing its use. The problem is the MARKET prices of oil and gas and energy. Haven't you heard of the windfall profits of the oil companies? They make windfall profits, we the public pay for them. |
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