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Post by see2 on Jan 25, 2023 19:42:48 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 25, 2023 19:55:32 GMT
LOL tidal power! thank heavens for that, we're saved. You are not being told the truth ffs. Renewable electricity is very expensive and very unreliable which is why we are being asked to use less. We are on the verge of rolling power cuts because wind power is unreliable, this is why coal plants are on standby. Please come back after you understand the the cause of the present day energy problems are created by the invasion of the Ukraine and Russia's attempt to control Western economies up against them. Of course, Putin's adventures in Ukraine are a part of the problem. But not ' the' problem. Perhaps Putin has highlighted more than ever that Europe should never have relied on Russian gas and we in the UK should be exploiting our own North Sea and shale gas reserves. The biggest threat we face to current and future energy security in this country is the incessant drive towards net zero. The wheels are already comming off the green dream and if politicians continue to play to a minority of eco zealots, then as the song goes, there may be trouble ahead. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 25, 2023 20:42:26 GMT
LOL tidal power! thank heavens for that, we're saved. You are not being told the truth ffs. Renewable electricity is very expensive and very unreliable which is why we are being asked to use less. We are on the verge of rolling power cuts because wind power is unreliable, this is why coal plants are on standby. Please come back after you understand the the cause of the present day energy problems are created by the invasion of the Ukraine and Russia's attempt to control Western economies up against them. Nah, present day problems are caused by successive governments not having a programme of energy production. For years they have pussyfooted with nuclear living a life of should we/shouldn't we and they haven't. How many times does it havew to be said that mainstream politics is shite and shows no signs of being anything else. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 25, 2023 20:56:19 GMT
Please come back after you understand the the cause of the present day energy problems are created by the invasion of the Ukraine and Russia's attempt to control Western economies up against them. Nah, present day problems are caused by successive governments not having a programme of energy production. For years they have pussyfooted with nuclear living a life of should we/shouldn't we and they haven't. How many times does it havew to be said that mainstream politics is shite and shows no signs of being anything else. I agree, I absolutely agree. For decades energy policy in this country can best be described as incompetent, at worst, criminally negligent. And net zero is adding to the litany of incompetence from successive governments. It's time we had a British government who put the British people first. Wouldn't that make a refreshing change. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2023 22:21:56 GMT
Everyone is going to have to get used to power cuts due to Net Zero - we simply do not have the generating capacity available to meet the obligations that policy imposes. The amount of extra electrical production we will need simply to run all these heat pumps is way beyond the capacity of the grid - and thats before we start plugging in electric cars.  Well, to point out the Obvious, 2010 is just over twelve years ago. and see2 illustrates the problem precisely - the total generating capacity of the UK is currently around 100 GW if renewables produce at 100% (which they dont its closer to 30%). We simply do not have the generating capacity or any indication we will get anywhere close in the foreseable. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 26, 2023 2:45:38 GMT
They should offer grants so people can attach batteries to their already installed solar panels.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 26, 2023 3:11:08 GMT
They should offer grants so people can attach batteries to their already installed solar panels. Chinese solar panels? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 26, 2023 7:51:44 GMT
They should offer grants so people can attach batteries to their already installed solar panels. Where is the money coming from? - we have record government spending, record levels of debt, record levels of taxation and (not unsurprisingly) tax revenues collapsing. We tried printing money for the last 10 years and all its done is wreck the economy. So even more handouts? - really? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 10:56:16 GMT
Please come back after you understand the the cause of the present day energy problems are created by the invasion of the Ukraine and Russia's attempt to control Western economies up against them. Of course, Putin's adventures in Ukraine are a part of the problem. But not ' the' problem. Perhaps Putin has highlighted more than ever that Europe should never have relied on Russian gas and we in the UK should be exploiting our own North Sea and shale gas reserves. The biggest threat we face to current and future energy security in this country is the incessant drive towards net zero. The wheels are already comming off the green dream and if politicians continue to play to a minority of eco zealots, then as the song goes, there may be trouble ahead. Putin and his invasion of Ukraine IS THE PROBLEM. The UK produces over 40% of the gas it needs. The "green dream" as you put it wouldn't even look like it was any sort of problem if Russia had not invaded the Ukraine. Which for the UK is mostly about Russian oil along with some gas. The UK no longer owns any reserves in the North Sea, Mrs. Thatcher privatised it. Shale Gas should, IMO be exploited. Again IMO, and as I have already suggested. The aim for Net Zero WIIL NOT TRASH THE UK ECONOMY. No government would allow it. If push comes to shove the Law on going green will either be dropped or changed. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2023 10:59:49 GMT
They should offer grants so people can attach batteries to their already installed solar panels. Chinese solar panels? Or possibly British under a Labour government? |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 26, 2023 11:51:10 GMT
Of course, Putin's adventures in Ukraine are a part of the problem. But not ' the' problem. Perhaps Putin has highlighted more than ever that Europe should never have relied on Russian gas and we in the UK should be exploiting our own North Sea and shale gas reserves. The biggest threat we face to current and future energy security in this country is the incessant drive towards net zero. The wheels are already comming off the green dream and if politicians continue to play to a minority of eco zealots, then as the song goes, there may be trouble ahead. Putin and his invasion of Ukraine IS THE PROBLEM. The UK produces over 40% of the gas it needs. The "green dream" as you put it wouldn't even look like it was any sort of problem if Russia had not invaded the Ukraine. Which for the UK is mostly about Russian oil along with some gas. The UK no longer owns any reserves in the North Sea, Mrs. Thatcher privatised it. Shale Gas should, IMO be exploited. Again IMO, and as I have already suggested. The aim for Net Zero WIIL NOT TRASH THE UK ECONOMY. No government would allow it. If push comes to shove the Law on going green will either be dropped or changed. You only have one more go at getting it right, get it wrong again and you will be sent to bed with no Ovaltine. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 26, 2023 13:10:11 GMT
Of course, Putin's adventures in Ukraine are a part of the problem. But not ' the' problem. Perhaps Putin has highlighted more than ever that Europe should never have relied on Russian gas and we in the UK should be exploiting our own North Sea and shale gas reserves. The biggest threat we face to current and future energy security in this country is the incessant drive towards net zero. The wheels are already comming off the green dream and if politicians continue to play to a minority of eco zealots, then as the song goes, there may be trouble ahead. Putin and his invasion of Ukraine IS THE PROBLEM. The UK produces over 40% of the gas it needs. The "green dream" as you put it wouldn't even look like it was any sort of problem if Russia had not invaded the Ukraine. Which for the UK is mostly about Russian oil along with some gas. The UK no longer owns any reserves in the North Sea, Mrs. Thatcher privatised it. Shale Gas should, IMO be exploited. Again IMO, and as I have already suggested. The aim for Net Zero WIIL NOT TRASH THE UK ECONOMY. No government would allow it. If push comes to shove the Law on going green will either be dropped or changed. You're away with the eco fairies. Net zero is already having a negative effect on western economies. Last year the Climate Change Committee, of all committees, said net zero could 'reduce our international competitiveness'. In other words, damage the economy. For example, just a few weeks ago the CEO of German chemical giant BASF announced that due to huge increases in energy costs [Germany is heavily reliant on unreliable wind power] BASF will be moving from Germany to a €10 billion mega plant in China. Anyone who thinks net zero will not have an adverse effect on western economies as coal based economies boom, should not be taken seriously. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 26, 2023 13:44:16 GMT
Putin and his invasion of Ukraine IS THE PROBLEM. The UK produces over 40% of the gas it needs. The "green dream" as you put it wouldn't even look like it was any sort of problem if Russia had not invaded the Ukraine. Which for the UK is mostly about Russian oil along with some gas. The UK no longer owns any reserves in the North Sea, Mrs. Thatcher privatised it. Shale Gas should, IMO be exploited. Again IMO, and as I have already suggested. The aim for Net Zero WIIL NOT TRASH THE UK ECONOMY. No government would allow it. If push comes to shove the Law on going green will either be dropped or changed. You're away with the eco fairies. Net zero is already having a negative effect on western economies. Last year the Climate Change Committee, of all committees, said net zero could 'reduce our international competitiveness'. In other words, damage the economy. For example, just a few weeks ago the CEO of German chemical giant BASF announced that due to huge increases in energy costs [Germany is heavily reliant on unreliable wind power] BASF will be moving from Germany to a €10 billion mega plant in China. Anyone who thinks net zero will not have an adverse effect on western economies as coal based economies boom, should not be taken seriously. BMW have moved their Carbon Fibre plant to the USA as it requires alot of elctricity and the USA has far cheaper energy prices than those of Germany.
German economist Heiner Flassbeck recently argued that Germany will never be able to rely on renewable electricity. His central argument is that the month of December up to the date of the original publication (20 December) shows that Germany’s energy transition is doomed to fail. Here is the chart that got Mr. Flassbeck going:
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 26, 2023 13:53:54 GMT
Good find Jonksy ^ some interesting info there.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 26, 2023 13:57:43 GMT
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