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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 19:22:55 GMT
After watching James Cleverly pretending he knows nothing about anything on Laura Kuenssberg, nothing about Nadhim Zahawi's tax dodges, Nothing about Boris Johnsons 800k overdraft facility.
It struck me they were defending Zahawi the hopeless Liz Truss tax for the rich supporter. WHY?
Is it because there's virtually no one left.
Are there any clean young Tories that could save the party.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 22, 2023 20:08:46 GMT
Nope. And Labour's worse.
B'liar started this. He demonstrated that politicians could totally disregard the electorate and get away with it.
B'liar was a total fascist and begat all that's followed since.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 20:33:36 GMT
Nope. And Labour's worse. B'liar started this. He demonstrated that politicians could totally disregard the electorate and get away with it. B'liar was a total fascist and begat all that's followed since. Blair is history, what can save the Tories. I may be a natural labour voter (Though I have voted Tory) but having just spent years with the Labour party not being an effective opposition the last thing I want is an ineffective opposition when Labour get elected. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 22, 2023 22:47:38 GMT
But set the precedent. ...what can save the Tories... Not being Blairite and start being Tories again. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2023 22:49:50 GMT
Not being Blairite and start being Tories again. Indeed - there is no point in voting Tory when all you get is New Labour.. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 22:51:42 GMT
Not being Blairite and start being Tories again. Indeed - there is no point in voting Tory when all you get is New Labour.. Sounds hopeless then. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 22, 2023 23:00:18 GMT
No. What's hopeless is the pro-EU centre left consensus that's developed over the last few decades.
That needs breaking in order for real choice to re-emerge.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 23, 2023 7:42:06 GMT
No. What's hopeless is the pro-EU centre left consensus that's developed over the last few decades. That needs breaking in order for real choice to re-emerge. I'm not talking about policy, I'm talking about capability and corruption. The list of Tories forced to resign is ridiculous. How the hell does a once Chancellor of the Exchequer not know you can't receive £27m quid and not report it to the tax office. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 8:37:59 GMT
I was listening to an interview with the author of a book about nepotism this morning. I cant remember the name of it but it sets out that power is decided sometimes even before birth. It comes from who your parents were and knew, is consolidated at school and opens the doors to being offered the plum jobs later.
This is how the Tories have run the last 12 years. For example Dido Harding was a good friend of Cameron's so instead of honestly assessing capability over a range of "outsiders", she got the job.
Ditto PPE supply (except the desperation that produced foreign corruption).
All the cabinet bar a couple were friends either in or around Eton. Zahawi made enough money to be admitted into the group and spent his life licking the backsides of those who were born into it.
So my own answer is that since the Tories have pretty much exhausted their clique, they are going to find replacements difficult because they can't see past it.Their whole lives have been lived inside the class bubble.
I don't know if this applies to Labour but the shadow cabinet is far more diverse in background.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 10:36:27 GMT
I was listening to an interview with the author of a book about nepotism this morning. I cant remember the name of it but it sets out that power is decided sometimes even before birth. It comes from who your parents were and knew, is consolidated at school and opens the doors to being offered the plum jobs later. This is how the Tories have run the last 12 years. For example Dido Harding was a good friend of Cameron's so instead of honestly assessing capability over a range of "outsiders", she got the job. Ditto PPE supply (except the desperation that produced foreign corruption). All the cabinet bar a couple were friends either in or around Eton. Zahawi made enough money to be admitted into the group and spent his life licking the backsides of those who were born into it. So my own answer is that since the Tories have pretty much exhausted their clique, they are going to find replacements difficult because they can't see past it.Their whole lives have been lived inside the class bubble. I don't know if this applies to Labour but the shadow cabinet is far more diverse in background. Perhaps a look at Labour Party MPs who in the past were members of the Communist Party, John Reid, David Triesman, Peter Mandelson, Charlie Whelan to name a few. Of the top of my head, and not in this country, but Barroso was a communist and now works for Goldman Sachs. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 10:43:47 GMT
Nope. And Labour's worse. B'liar started this. He demonstrated that politicians could totally disregard the electorate and get away with it. B'liar was a total fascist and begat all that's followed since.  Thanks I enjoyed that laugh at another of your nonsense posts. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 10:46:55 GMT
Not being Blairite and start being Tories again. Indeed - there is no point in voting Tory when all you get is New Labour.. The insinuation is simply silly. The difference between the two is that New Labour had an objective approach, the Tory vote is almost always subjective. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 10:49:10 GMT
No. What's hopeless is the pro-EU centre left consensus that's developed over the last few decades. That needs breaking in order for real choice to re-emerge. Another lame whining excuse ^^^ |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 11:31:47 GMT
Indeed - there is no point in voting Tory when all you get is New Labour.. The insinuation is simply silly. The difference between the two is that New Labour had an objective approach, the Tory vote is almost always subjective. LOL - I'll bet you believed Blair when he proclaimed he would be 'whiter than white'... |
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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 11:58:19 GMT
The insinuation is simply silly. The difference between the two is that New Labour had an objective approach, the Tory vote is almost always subjective. LOL - I'll bet you believed Blair when he proclaimed he would be 'whiter than white'... I understood why, where and when he made that comment. You obviously do not. |
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