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Post by morayloon on Jan 27, 2023 10:04:13 GMT
No policy ideas then just a big big sulk. That's all you've got and all you'll ever be. You were OUTVOTED 17.41 million people outvoted the 16.1 million losers. More than one million Scots as well as 854 thousand Welsh voters and more than 349 thousand Northern Irish voters made the difference in votes that swung the NET UK VOTE. It was not an electoral college vote, but a truly democratic poll of the whole UK. All you have is hatred of the English, but the net UK vote was a leave vote. Get the fuck over it and look to the opportunities rather than the past. Stop misrepresenting the facts and come to terms with our real independence. It is of no consequence that over one million Scots voted leave. The simple fact is that Remain won with 62% of the vote. And it is the winning that counts! |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2023 10:06:16 GMT
More than one million Scots as well as 854 thousand Welsh voters and more than 349 thousand Northern Irish voters made the difference in votes that swung the NET UK VOTE.
The 15,188,406 English leave voters would have achieved nothing without Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish leave voters.
Get the fuck over it and drop your xenophobia in the bin where it belongs.
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Post by morayloon on Jan 27, 2023 10:15:36 GMT
So, here is my proposal. 1. If independence supporting parties obtain more than 50% of the seats at a Scottish election, then negotiations begin with Westminster on 2 things. An independence deal and a constitutional change proposal that stops short of independence. 2. At the next Scottish election, a vote for the union supporting sides will be taken as a vote for the constructional change option. A vote for the independence supporting parties, for full independence. Whatever way the vote goes, that's what happens. No referendum needed. This would allow subtlety as if the constitutional change wasn't enough, you could still vote for it, knowing that at the next, you could return your vote to the independence supporting side, starting the process all over again. 1. If Independence supporting parties did win over 50% of the vote, why should they settle for less? 2. If the Union side won there would just be a continuation of the process of taking powers away from Holyrood. What is this "constructional change" you talk of? |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2023 10:16:38 GMT
They haven't.
And you already voted in a "once in a lifetime" referendum.
Get over it.
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Post by morayloon on Jan 27, 2023 10:18:52 GMT
More than one million Scots as well as 854 thousand Welsh voters and more than 349 thousand Northern Irish voters made the difference in votes that swung the NET UK VOTE. The 15,188,406 English leave voters would have achieved nothing without Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish leave voters. Get the fuck over it and drop your xenophobia in the bin where it belongs. How is it xenophobic to point out that my country did not vote the same way as yours? 62%-38%!!! |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2023 10:23:12 GMT
Scotland isn't a sovereign country. England isn't a sovereign country. The UK is and you're blaming English people rather than the NET UK VOTE which included a million Scots. You haven't a leg to stand on. Your argument is xenophobic.
Rather than looking at what you can do you're sulking about what you can't.
Fucks sake that's what every xenophobic party in history has been about.
Blaming others instead of doing good.
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Post by jaydee on Jan 27, 2023 11:00:07 GMT
I said “irrelevant and inappropriate” - not unimportant. Oh, I took in what you said on the other forum, but I am not naive enough (as you seem to be) to believe it. SNP never, at any stage before, during, or after the indyref, planned to honour a NO vote for any longer than it would take them to find any excuse not to. Oh the SNP did agree to honour the vote. And you are very naive. That is very evident. The SNP said they would honour the outcome provided their was no material change in circumstances. How many times does it have to be explained to you. First there was the pledge signed by all leaders, after the vote swung rapidly to yes . See link below. To start with. Some 10 seconds after the result was know David Cameron stood on the steps of No 10 and issued the statement of the implication of EVEL. making the Scots second citizens. Have you heard the expression. No taxation without representation. That is exactly what happened Having made every indication it would be FFA. But in your naivety. You did not understand that. Did you. Secondly and I have already explained. Everything the Westminster wankers stated would happen if Scotland left the union. Has happened while Scotland was in the Union. In your naivety Would you care to correct their lying promise. So it is the Westminster wankers who are not honouring the outcome. So get the ducks in order. Which part was a excuse. Elucidate please. Or are you still screwed for a answer. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29213418 |
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Post by research0it on Jan 27, 2023 11:01:16 GMT
They haven't. And you already voted in a "once in a lifetime" referendum. Get over it. Hi vinny Can you restrict your comments to direct comments on my proposal. You'll note I'm not proposing a referendum. So why tell me I'm not getting something I'm NOT asking for? This type of stuff from you ends up on every single Scottish thread, no matter the subject You're obsessed. |
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Post by research0it on Jan 27, 2023 11:04:18 GMT
More than one million Scots as well as 854 thousand Welsh voters and more than 349 thousand Northern Irish voters made the difference in votes that swung the NET UK VOTE. The 15,188,406 English leave voters would have achieved nothing without Welsh, Scottish and Northern Irish leave voters. Get the fuck over it and drop your xenophobia in the bin where it belongs. Hi vinny Again that's not relevant to my OP Although I will point out that you are presenting statistics either stupidly or dishonestly. If you discount the Scottish, Welsh and Northern Ireland leave votes, you'd have to discount the remain votes as well. Making leave win by a bigger margin. |
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Post by morayloon on Jan 27, 2023 11:04:52 GMT
Scotland isn't a sovereign country. England isn't a sovereign country. The UK is and you're blaming English people rather than the NET UK VOTE which included a million Scots. You haven't a leg to stand on. Your argument is xenophobic.
Rather than looking at what you can do you're sulking about what you can't.
Fucks sake that's what every xenophobic party in history has been about.
Blaming others instead of doing good.
The fact is that Scottish Democracy was ignored in the rush to accept the slim majority in the UK for leave. 62%-38%!!! |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2023 11:21:59 GMT
No it wasn't.
Scotland voted to be part of the UK, which is a sovereign country. EU membership belonged to the UK, not just the non sovereign bit called Scotland. All Scottish votes were counted as part of the UK net vote. A million Scots, 854 thousand Welsh votes and 349 thousand Northern Irish votes were counted along with the English vote. Without the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish leave votes we'd still be members. Instead of looking back in anger, look forward in hope. The Scottish Parliament now has the sovereign power to undo privatisation in NHS Scotland. It has used the power to fully renationalise the railways in Scotland, something it could not have done permanently in the EU as free market competition is mandatory in the Single Market as per the 4th Railways Package. transport.ec.europa.eu/transport-modes/rail/railway-packages/fourth-railway-package-2016_enIt has the sovereign power to provide a better agricultural policy and a better fisheries policy. There's so many opportunities and the devolved Junta mostly isn't using the sovereignty to make a difference. |
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Post by morayloon on Jan 27, 2023 12:01:00 GMT
No it wasn't.
Scotland voted to be part of the UK, which is a sovereign country. EU membership belonged to the UK, not just the non sovereign bit called Scotland. All Scottish votes were counted as part of the UK net vote. A million Scots, 854 thousand Welsh votes and 349 thousand Northern Irish votes were counted along with the English vote. Without the Scots, Welsh and Northern Irish leave votes we'd still be members. Instead of looking back in anger, look forward in hope. The Scottish Parliament now has the sovereign power to undo privatisation in NHS Scotland. It has used the power to fully renationalise the railways in Scotland, something it could not have done permanently in the EU as free market competition is mandatory in the Single Market as per the 4th Railways Package. transport.ec.europa.eu/transport-modes/rail/railway-packages/fourth-railway-package-2016_enIt has the sovereign power to provide a better agricultural policy and a better fisheries policy. There's so many opportunities and the devolved Junta mostly isn't using the sovereignty to make a difference. You're talking shit. I'll leave you with one final thought : 62-38!!! |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 27, 2023 12:13:08 GMT
Your reasoning is faulty.
It was a UK vote 51.9%-48.1%
You have no respect for UK DEMOCRACY.
You think because you live in Elgin that makes you special.
It doesn't.
Anyone can live in Elgin, Ellesmere, Eype, Exeter, Enniskillen.
Where your vote is cast doesn't matter.
It was one person one vote and YOU were outvoted.
The outvoted views of a few SNP xenophobes do not matter.
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Post by research0it on Jan 27, 2023 12:18:14 GMT
Your reasoning is faulty. It was a UK vote 51.9%-48.1% You have no respect for UK DEMOCRACY. You think because you live in Elgin that makes you special. It doesn't. Anyone can live in Elgin, Ellesmere, Eype, Exeter, Enniskillen. Where your vote is cast doesn't matter. It was one person one vote and YOU were outvoted. The outvoted views of a few SNP xenophobes do not matter. Hi vinny and morayloon Please respond to the OP. Open up another thread if you want to talk about referendums |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2023 12:34:02 GMT
No policy ideas then just a big big sulk. That's all you've got and all you'll ever be. You were OUTVOTED 17.41 million people outvoted the 16.1 million losers. More than one million Scots as well as 854 thousand Welsh voters and more than 349 thousand Northern Irish voters made the difference in votes that swung the NET UK VOTE. It was not an electoral college vote, but a truly democratic poll of the whole UK. All you have is hatred of the English, but the net UK vote was a leave vote. Get the fuck over it and look to the opportunities rather than the past. Stop misrepresenting the facts and come to terms with our real independence. It is of no consequence that over one million Scots voted leave. The simple fact is that Remain won with 62% of the vote. And it is the winning that counts! "Remain won" is a clear case of a poster claiming blackiswhite. |
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