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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 18, 2023 5:17:49 GMT
Hmmm... I have absolutely zero faith in that.
That is what he has stated and has doubled the investigation team dealing with the allegations made against Officers and Police Staff And we all know what will happen with that: Some hapless PC will get sacked over a parking ticket while the real criminals (especially those at senior rank) will go into the "Too difficult" box. |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 18, 2023 9:30:55 GMT
We will have to wait and see how many of the allegations made are true and what happens when they are fully justified , as for Senior Officers more than likely
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Post by jonksy on Jan 19, 2023 6:35:44 GMT
We will have to wait and see how many of the allegations made are true and what happens when they are fully justified , as for Senior Officers more than likely The Met's hotline to report police officers for abuse and corruption received 700 calls in a single day after the PC David Carrick rape scandal A Met Police abuse complaints hotline received 700 calls yesterday It comes as PC David Carrick admitted 49 charges including 24 counts of rape Other police forces are also believed to have received similar complaints
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Post by Handyman on Jan 19, 2023 11:38:32 GMT
I am not surprised I did read an article the other day that 50,000 complaints were lodged against Police Forces right across the UK in a year up to March 2022 , not just the Met it is par for the course , I have no problem with that at all any Officer that is corrupt, not doing their Job correctly, or is abusive if proved needs to be dealt with harshly.
I suspect other organisations such as the NHS, Banks, Local and Central Governments, Dodgy Builders, retailers etc are also subject of many complaints as well
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Post by patman post on Jan 19, 2023 13:29:02 GMT
I am not surprised I did read an article the other day that 50,000 complaints were lodged against Police Forces right across the UK in a year up to March 2022 , not just the Met it is par for the course , I have no problem with that at all any Officer that is corrupt, not doing their Job correctly, or is abusive if proved needs to be dealt with harshly. I suspect other organisations such as the NHS, Banks, Local and Central Governments, Dodgy Builders, retailers etc are also subject of many complaints as well But you have to admit that the Police are a special case — ie, Police officers have the power to order civilians around, something too many appear to join the Met to enjoy.
I don't argue that the Police shouldn't have such powers, but I have been aware for years that many officers are not the correct individuals to be trusted with the authority they're given.
Events over the past few years show that the Police don't seem to be sifting out unsuitable recruits before they hit the streets...
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Post by Handyman on Jan 19, 2023 14:09:51 GMT
I am not surprised I did read an article the other day that 50,000 complaints were lodged against Police Forces right across the UK in a year up to March 2022 , not just the Met it is par for the course , I have no problem with that at all any Officer that is corrupt, not doing their Job correctly, or is abusive if proved needs to be dealt with harshly. I suspect other organisations such as the NHS, Banks, Local and Central Governments, Dodgy Builders, retailers etc are also subject of many complaints as well But you have to admit that the Police are a special case — ie, Police officers have the power to order civilians around, something too many appear to join the Met to enjoy.
I don't argue that the Police shouldn't have such powers, but I have been aware for years that many officers are not the correct individuals to be trusted with the authority they're given.
Events over the past few years show that the Police don't seem to be sifting out unsuitable recruits before they hit the streets...
Some of them are not up to the task that is obvious , some may well be over zealous, some maybe incompetent or down right lazy, and yes with hindsight some should never have been selected, but Police Officers have been complained about for years , especially by those who get caught by them. They are not a different breed to the rest of us, they reflect the society they are drawn from which today is nowhere near as disciplined as it once was , bullies are in all types of occupations that is why bullying in the workplace is unlawful |
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Post by patman post on Jan 19, 2023 15:07:16 GMT
But you have to admit that the Police are a special case — ie, Police officers have the power to order civilians around, something too many appear to join the Met to enjoy.
I don't argue that the Police shouldn't have such powers, but I have been aware for years that many officers are not the correct individuals to be trusted with the authority they're given.
Events over the past few years show that the Police don't seem to be sifting out unsuitable recruits before they hit the streets...
Some of them are not up to the task that is obvious , some may well be over zealous, some maybe incompetent or down right lazy, and yes with hindsight some should never have been selected, but Police Officers have been complained about for years , especially by those who get caught by them. They are not a different breed to the rest of us, they reflect the society they are drawn from which today is nowhere near as disciplined as it once was , bullies are in all types of occupations that is why bullying in the workplace is unlawful Bad coppers have been known about for years. Even Victorian music hall audiences joined in with the song: "If you want to know the time ask a policeman", which publicised (among other things) the tendency of good watches to be lifted off drunks by officers.
Recently, "some" bad officers has grown to a significant number so that it's no longer a few bad apples. Because the UK is supposedly policed by consent, the establishment is now showing signs that it's no longer confident the public will remain happy giving its consent...
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 15:20:11 GMT
I knew about this shit in the 90s. My friend worked for the police and his boy joined up.
I suspect that the ones who have the balls to actually tackle criminals physically are left alone to do whatever they want by the rest of the oversized and incompetent coppers.
As an aside , he told me that he asked a senior female police officer why there were so many affairs and sexual misconduct going on in the force .
She said that she suspected that it was because police work is 99% boredom and 1% terror.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 19, 2023 16:11:58 GMT
Some of them are not up to the task that is obvious , some may well be over zealous, some maybe incompetent or down right lazy, and yes with hindsight some should never have been selected, but Police Officers have been complained about for years , especially by those who get caught by them. They are not a different breed to the rest of us, they reflect the society they are drawn from which today is nowhere near as disciplined as it once was , bullies are in all types of occupations that is why bullying in the workplace is unlawful Bad coppers have been known about for years. Even Victorian music hall audiences joined in with the song: "If you want to know the time ask a policeman", which publicised (among other things) the tendency of good watches to be lifted off drunks by officers.
Recently, "some" bad officers has grown to a significant number so that it's no longer a few bad apples. Because the UK is supposedly policed by consent, the establishment is now showing signs that it's no longer confident the public will remain happy giving its consent...
Tell me which profession does not have any bad apples in it ? Doctor Ship murdered a lot of people, does that mean all Doctors are killers ? Lawyer get struck off are they all suspect, what about your profession all sweetness a light, I don't think so Stereotyping |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 19, 2023 17:10:41 GMT
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 19, 2023 17:15:32 GMT
Time was, Met officers did 18 weeks at Hendon (and the county forces had their equivalent training centres). The courses were residential and recruits lived in each other's pockets.
They worked together, studied together, played together and got drunk together. There was military style discipline and if someone was a wrong 'un, or otherwise didn't shape up, there was nowhere to hide and they got weeded out.
And it continued on the streets: There was a robust “Canteen Culture” whereby colleagues wanted to know everything about each other, because they wanted to be sure that their colleagues had their backs, and the wrong 'uns, or those who otherwise didn't have the right stuff, again got weeded out.
But that's all gone now, because nowadays weeding out wrong 'uns is called “Bullying” and we can't have that now, can we?
And it doesn't just apply to the police.
So people don't know their colleagues like they used to, and they don't want to know them because anyone raising a concern is apt to find themselves treated as the guilty party, especially if the wrong 'un happens to be from a protected demographic.
So these days the wrong 'uns can do their thing mostly without fear of discovery.
That's the price of inclusivity. And of course cost cutting in vetting, pay, conditions etc. etc.
And ironically, the senior management cadre now wringing their hands over where it all went wrong are much the same ones who created this situation in the first place. Indeed, only last week Rowley was bemoaning the “Canteen culture” and how “Terrible” it all was.
Well Mr R, it's a classic case of you reap what you sow. Enjoy.
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Post by bancroft on Jan 19, 2023 17:19:20 GMT
Apparently this policeman was never in uniform committing these sexual offences.
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Post by patman post on Jan 19, 2023 17:39:29 GMT
Bad coppers have been known about for years. Even Victorian music hall audiences joined in with the song: "If you want to know the time ask a policeman", which publicised (among other things) the tendency of good watches to be lifted off drunks by officers.
Recently, "some" bad officers has grown to a significant number so that it's no longer a few bad apples. Because the UK is supposedly policed by consent, the establishment is now showing signs that it's no longer confident the public will remain happy giving its consent...
Tell me which profession does not have any bad apples in it ? Doctor Ship murdered a lot of people, does that mean all Doctors are killers ? Lawyer get struck off are they all suspect, what about your profession all sweetness a light, I don't think so Stereotyping One notorious case of a doctor doesn’t seem to equal the current spate of reported rapes, killings, and racist bullying by Police. As for stereotyping, before we reached our teens, Sis and I were given “the talk” by our parents about interaction with the Police, and it’s served us well — stopped plenty of times but only detained shortly a very few times. I work in an internationally known accountancy and consultancy. I’ve no reason to suppose my colleagues are better behaved than the rest of society in their daily lives. But aren’t Police supposed to be among the best of us and able to apprehend bad apples — or am I expecting too much…? |
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Post by Orac on Jan 19, 2023 18:09:43 GMT
The most any system can provide is a function to deal officially with dishonesty etc.
Expecting perfection is just daft and childish
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 19, 2023 18:20:09 GMT
The most any system can provide is a function to deal officially with dishonesty etc. Expecting perfection is just daft and childish
Especially when you pay peanuts. As they do these days.
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