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Post by Morgan on Jan 16, 2023 6:41:03 GMT
New plans to widen police powers for disruptive protests Police could be allowed to shut down protests before they cause serious disruption, under new government plans. Downing Street said the proposals would help officers clamp down on "a disruptive minority" who use tactics like blocking roads and slow marching. It said the changes seek to give police greater flexibility and clarity over when they can intervene. But human rights group Liberty said the proposals amounted to an attack on the right to protest. The plans will be set out in an amendment to the Public Order Bill, due to be introduced on Monday. The bill, which covers England and Wales, is making its way through Parliament and any changes would have to be approved by MPs and peers. Its aim is to crack down on disruptive protests by groups like environmental activists Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion, which have used tactics including blocking roads. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64282962 About bloody time too. Why should these inconsiderate crackpots be allowed to disrupt people's journeys, businesses and even medical care. Round them up and send them on a one way trip to China. They can protest there. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 16, 2023 15:24:01 GMT
Well, I went on the ‘not in my name’ protest against Blair’s warmongering and found if you let the police have their way nobody sees you.
Fact is as evidenced by the UK BBC attitude to Eire you don’t get to be heard unless you kill people.
But right now we need certain green protestors to find out the hard way they are not appreciated. If this set of measures removes the protestors before someone gets their head kicked, I suppose it’s worth it.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 16, 2023 15:40:56 GMT
Well, I went on the ‘not in my name’ protest against Blair’s warmongering and found if you let the police have their way nobody sees you. Fact is as evidenced by the UK BBC attitude to Eire you don’t get to be heard unless you kill people. But right now we need certain green protestors to find out the hard way they are not appreciated. If this set of measures removes the protestors before someone gets their head kicked, I suppose it’s worth it. I see blundenburg was led away in Germany for her antics........She never was very smart.......Time you forgot your brief moment of fame and get a real job.......Mind you who would be mad enough to employ that ignorant little self deluded chav?.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 16, 2023 16:06:15 GMT
The way I see it is that the right to protest does not (and cannot) infer a right to commit offences. Hence once a protestor starts to commit offences they're no longer a legitimate protestor.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 16, 2023 16:56:26 GMT
Well, I went on the ‘not in my name’ protest against Blair’s warmongering and found if you let the police have their way nobody sees you. Fact is as evidenced by the UK BBC attitude to Eire you don’t get to be heard unless you kill people. But right now we need certain green protestors to find out the hard way they are not appreciated. If this set of measures removes the protestors before someone gets their head kicked, I suppose it’s worth it. I see blundenburg was led away in Germany for her antics........She never was very smart.......Time you forgot your brief moment of fame and get a real job.......Mind you who would be mad enough to employ that ignorant little self deluded chav?.
I noticed that. I believe she is no longer a child and therefore can be left to experience the full fun of an adult prison. Hopefully a criminal record can come out of it to serve as model for her cultists |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 16, 2023 16:58:47 GMT
The way I see it is that the right to protest does not (and cannot) infer a right to commit offences. Hence once a protestor starts to commit offences they're no longer a legitimate protestor. I agree However as I pointed out, when you play the game that way you get nowhere, generally led to some obscure backwater miles from the event you are protesting about. This may go some way to explaining the tactics of todays protestor |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 16, 2023 17:12:36 GMT
The way I see it is that the right to protest does not (and cannot) infer a right to commit offences. Hence once a protestor starts to commit offences they're no longer a legitimate protestor. I agree However as I pointed out, when you play the game that way you get nowhere, generally led to some obscure backwater miles from the event you are protesting about. This may go some way to explaining the tactics of todays protestor
Disruptive protest gets nowhere anywhere. Just Stop Oil, XR and the other numpties actions have been entirely counter-productive to their aims with the vast majority.
Assuming of course that they have any aims and aren't simply the aimless anarchists that they would appear to be.
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Post by jonksy on Jan 16, 2023 17:30:09 GMT
I see blundenburg was led away in Germany for her antics........She never was very smart.......Time you forgot your brief moment of fame and get a real job.......Mind you who would be mad enough to employ that ignorant little self deluded chav?.
I noticed that. I believe she is no longer a child and therefore can be left to experience the full fun of an adult prison. Hopefully a criminal record can come out of it to serve as model for her cultistsWe live in hope mate. |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 16, 2023 19:50:18 GMT
The way I see it is that the right to protest does not (and cannot) infer a right to commit offences. Hence once a protestor starts to commit offences they're no longer a legitimate protestor. I agree the ones who do commit offences when protesting are IMO actually undermining our right to Protest Peacefully |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 20, 2023 11:48:00 GMT
New plans to widen police powers for disruptive protests Police could be allowed to shut down protests before they cause serious disruption, under new government plans. Downing Street said the proposals would help officers clamp down on "a disruptive minority" who use tactics like blocking roads and slow marching. It said the changes seek to give police greater flexibility and clarity over when they can intervene. But human rights group Liberty said the proposals amounted to an attack on the right to protest. The plans will be set out in an amendment to the Public Order Bill, due to be introduced on Monday. The bill, which covers England and Wales, is making its way through Parliament and any changes would have to be approved by MPs and peers. Its aim is to crack down on disruptive protests by groups like environmental activists Just Stop Oil, Insulate Britain and Extinction Rebellion, which have used tactics including blocking roads. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64282962 About bloody time too. Why should these inconsiderate crackpots be allowed to disrupt people's journeys, businesses and even medical care. Round them up and send them on a one way trip to China. They can protest there. The police already had powers to clamp down on disruptive lefties who block roads. 1980 Highways Act - section 137
Quote: "If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or a fine or both". |
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Post by sword on Jan 21, 2023 13:56:26 GMT
Well, I went on the ‘not in my name’ protest against Blair’s warmongering and found if you let the police have their way nobody sees you. Fact is as evidenced by the UK BBC attitude to Eire you don’t get to be heard unless you kill people. But right now we need certain green protestors to find out the hard way they are not appreciated. If this set of measures removes the protestors before someone gets their head kicked, I suppose it’s worth it. No it isn't worth it unless you want to live in a fascist state,the Police already have enough laws and power to deal with protesters that break the law,we saw Thatcher use the same Gestapo methods in the miners strike when miners were arrested for driving on the roads of this Country,it was called conspiracy. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 21, 2023 15:55:04 GMT
Well, I went on the ‘not in my name’ protest against Blair’s warmongering and found if you let the police have their way nobody sees you. Fact is as evidenced by the UK BBC attitude to Eire you don’t get to be heard unless you kill people. But right now we need certain green protestors to find out the hard way they are not appreciated. If this set of measures removes the protestors before someone gets their head kicked, I suppose it’s worth it. No it isn't worth it unless you want to live in a fascist state,the Police already have enough laws and power to deal with protesters that break the law,we saw Thatcher use the same Gestapo methods in the miners strike when miners were arrested for driving on the roads of this Country,it was called conspiracy. The only problem with your assertion is that having been there and watched, 95% of the stuff on the telly was engineered Bollox, and the rest was hardcore Marxists causing trouble at every opportunity. I personally rammed the barricades at the back of university hospital to let the undertaker collect my great uncles corpse and would do it again for anyone else the scum wanted to fuck over in their hour of grief. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 22, 2023 0:08:11 GMT
Laws only come about because of a problem/major issue. We can all protest by writing a letter, sending an email, even stand at the side of a road with a banner. Ultimately, the way to protest in a democracy is vote in the person/party of your choice.
But disrupting others by holding up trains, blocking roads, gluing your face to windows, and rioting; they should be stamped on from the start.
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Post by Orac on Jan 22, 2023 18:33:17 GMT
Here is a notion
Even if you already have adequate laws, you can create a problem that apparently needs to be solved with more legislation, by refusing to enforce them.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 22, 2023 19:56:45 GMT
Here is a notion Even if you already have adequate laws, you can create a problem that apparently needs to be solved with more legislation, by refusing to enforce them.
But on the flipside, if you have inadequate laws you get "Protesters" that exploit them.
For example, Obstruction is designed to address bad parking and not people who deliberately glue themselves to roads.
Which is exactly why these little fascists glue themselves to roads.
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