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Post by Orac on Jan 22, 2023 21:11:55 GMT
My understanding is, that the current laws allow to be these people to be cleared from the road and given a fine or prison sentence.
So what powers are missing?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 22, 2023 22:38:18 GMT
My understanding is, that the current laws allow to be these people to be cleared from the road and given a fine or prison sentence. So what powers are missing? It's to plug loopholes where they can do something that causes a great deal of trouble (force) and yet is totally legal. Gluing oneself to the road would be just such a case, where the law was never needed in the past because no one ever did such a stupid thing. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 22, 2023 23:05:57 GMT
My understanding is, that the current laws allow to be these people to be cleared from the road and given a fine or prison sentence. So what powers are missing? It's to plug loopholes where they can do something that causes a great deal of trouble (force) and yet is totally legal. Gluing oneself to the road would be just such a case, where the law was never needed in the past because no one ever did such a stupid thing.
And for once we agree.
You can't be imprisoned for obstruction. It's not even an arrestable offence. It's designed to be dealt with by a parking ticket, which is why these little Hitlers exploit it.
Of course repeated abuse thereof may amount to a public nuisance which is what these little Hitlers actually get locked up for.
But that's a long winded process. What's actually required is a specific offence, which is fortunately in the making.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 7:58:41 GMT
It seems that these extreme tactics to raise awareness are pointless because the protesters become the story, not their cause.
They are also one of the silliest causes.
You can't just "stop oil". Oil is refined into lubricants that make machinery etc work.
I have sympathy for just stopping oil being turned into plastic but a lot of investment is being spent to find alternatives already and laws are being passed to reduce its use.
It seems their only success these protesters have had is to further chew away at our civil rights.
Gee thanks guys.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 23, 2023 8:06:14 GMT
I noticed that. I believe she is no longer a child and therefore can be left to experience the full fun of an adult prison. Hopefully a criminal record can come out of it to serve as model for her cultistsWe live in hope mate. Sadly from her own twatter feed it is clear this story was more staged for the cameras than real. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 8:36:47 GMT
Sadly from her own twatter feed it is clear this story was more staged for the cameras than real. Is anything about her real? |
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Post by Orac on Jan 23, 2023 9:14:24 GMT
My understanding is, that the current laws allow to be these people to be cleared from the road and given a fine or prison sentence. So what powers are missing? It's to plug loopholes where they can do something that causes a great deal of trouble (force) and yet is totally legal. Gluing oneself to the road would be just such a case, where the law was never needed in the past because no one ever did such a stupid thing. Okay - i get what you are saying but your example is odd - currently gluing yourself to the road to cause an obstruction is not legal because causing an obstruction (obstructing a road) is not legal |
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Post by Orac on Jan 23, 2023 9:20:19 GMT
It's to plug loopholes where they can do something that causes a great deal of trouble (force) and yet is totally legal. Gluing oneself to the road would be just such a case, where the law was never needed in the past because no one ever did such a stupid thing.
And for once we agree.
You can't be imprisoned for obstruction. It's not even an arrestable offence. It's designed to be dealt with by a parking ticket, which is why these little Hitlers exploit it.
Of course repeated abuse thereof may amount to a public nuisance which is what these little Hitlers actually get locked up for.
But that's a long winded process. What's actually required is a specific offence, which is fortunately in the making.
So Red is incorrect about this? Quoting Red - 1980 Highways Act - section 137
Quote: "If a person, without lawful authority or excuse, in any way wilfully obstructs the free passage along a highway he is guilty of an offence and liable to imprisonment for a term not exceeding 51 weeks or a fine or both" |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 23, 2023 9:31:34 GMT
Actually you're right - you can be imprisoned for obstruction but hardly anyone ever is. It's treated as minor offence by the courts and is not normally an arrestable offence.
That's why these people exploit it - because they know that police powers are limited and the sentencing guidelines restrictive.
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Post by Handyman on Jan 23, 2023 11:52:12 GMT
There was a protest outside the Home Office over the weekend , where paint was thrown about , the usual suspects are trying to claim that the Government are trying to ban Protests no they are not, the amendments additions that have been put forward is to deal with the changing tactics by these pop up unauthorised protests that are disruptive. The Police themselves have asked the Government to introduce them to Police these disruptive demonstrations more efficiently, yes they already have to power to arrest protesters that cause Criminal Damage, Obstruct the Highway, etc . I hope this link works as this explains it all for me anyway. www.gov.uk/government/publications/police-crime-sentencing-and... Bugger it didn't but it is on the Gov Website If you are interested search on Public Order Bill: factsheet - GOV.UK |
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