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Post by zanygame on Jan 21, 2023 16:33:36 GMT
Can you not recognise infatuation when you see it? 🤣 Don’t project your love of Srb to me 😘 Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. 😔
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2023 16:48:34 GMT
I have just has 7 doors fitted by a carpenter . Two blokes took 6 hours to fit the doors ( on was a sliding door). I worked out that I was charged about £650 for Labour . None of these blokes had degrees . Part of the reason for low wages is that we have a pathetic vocational training in this country since the 1980s. When I was a kid my house didn’t have central heating , my Dad couldn’t afford a car for years, medical procedures were cruder and more painful than today , televisions were extremely expensive etc etc . The days if plenty that you imagine didn't exist ..and what did exist evaporated in the 80s and Thatcher . What the boomers had was a chance to buy a house or rent a house that todays young people struggle with. Plenty of them do though .. Firstly I'm a similar age to you, so yes I remember them as well as do you. But you are comparing to when you were a kid. Not when you were a grown up, so that's your Dads generation. As for your carpenters, yes I agree more young people should go into the building trade, but that's a relatively small number. Where are all the meduim paid jobs working as printers, invoice clerks, typists, fork truck drivers etc etc. They are gone. Replaced by low paid peripheral work in leisure and delivery. At the same time mortgages have increased from being 20% of your income to 40% of your income. The only blame our generation carry is our unwillingness to shoulder the burden of the ever increasing medical treatments we enjoyed, so this extra tax burden was met by increasing the population and by that the GDP every year in a game of perpetual catch up until there was no room left. Now we want that stopped and no more homes built in our back yards, so stuff the young and let them suffer, just ring fence our pensions. Printers , typists etc etc are gone because of the rise of technology. The same technology that has given the new generation a wealth of electronic gadgets and a new virtual reality that they seem to have embraced . You cant disconnect boomers from a point in history because it doesn’t suit you. The usual suspects whine that skilled migrants are doing work that people in this country can’t do ..well if there was enough vocational here then we wouldn’t need them and wages would rise accordingly . I don’t know who has been telling you that boomers are stopping houses being built near them …they are talking bollocks . The answer to old people supposedly sponging off the young is too increase the retirement age with a system that allows older people to work part time with a partial pension .
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2023 16:49:25 GMT
Don’t project your love of Srb to me 😘 Me thinks the lady doth protest too much. 😔 Methinks you are that lady and I claim my five florins .😁
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Post by jonksy on Jan 21, 2023 17:01:26 GMT
Talking shit is a regular aspect of your conduct, isn't it? I know sewer outlets that come out with less shit than you do. Your thin skin supports my suspicion. Well you would know all ab out shit. You support enough of them. Like I said this morning if all you are going to do is troll. Your posts will be ignored by me.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2023 17:16:50 GMT
Your thin skin supports my suspicion. Well you would know all ab out shit. You support enough of them. Like I said this morning if all you are going to do is troll. Your posts will be ignored by me. I do agree with you that Bentley talks a lot of shit, lol
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Post by zanygame on Jan 21, 2023 17:25:48 GMT
Firstly I'm a similar age to you, so yes I remember them as well as do you. But you are comparing to when you were a kid. Not when you were a grown up, so that's your Dads generation. As for your carpenters, yes I agree more young people should go into the building trade, but that's a relatively small number. Where are all the meduim paid jobs working as printers, invoice clerks, typists, fork truck drivers etc etc. They are gone. Replaced by low paid peripheral work in leisure and delivery. At the same time mortgages have increased from being 20% of your income to 40% of your income. The only blame our generation carry is our unwillingness to shoulder the burden of the ever increasing medical treatments we enjoyed, so this extra tax burden was met by increasing the population and by that the GDP every year in a game of perpetual catch up until there was no room left. Now we want that stopped and no more homes built in our back yards, so stuff the young and let them suffer, just ring fence our pensions. Printers , typists etc etc are gone because of the rise of technology. The same technology that has given the new generation a wealth of electronic gadgets and a new virtual reality that they seem to have embraced . Yes that's what I said. When people think of automation they imagine robots building cars, but the real jobs have gone because of AI, automated banking Sage, programmable self monitoring printing machines etc. They weren't around much in our lucky young days when we were earning good money. I've no idea what you mean by that? Boomers were of a certain era how can I connect or disconnect them from another era? Its often been given as one of the reasons for leaving the EU that we were overcrowded. Nimbyism in not a construct of the young. Did you miss the outcry when that was muted? But its nothing to do with what I'm saying, I am saying every generation thinks the next one is weak soft, has it easy.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2023 17:29:15 GMT
I have just has 7 doors fitted by a carpenter . Two blokes took 6 hours to fit the doors ( on was a sliding door). I worked out that I was charged about £650 for Labour . None of these blokes had degrees . Part of the reason for low wages is that we have a pathetic vocational training in this country since the 1980s. When I was a kid my house didn’t have central heating , my Dad couldn’t afford a car for years, medical procedures were cruder and more painful than today , televisions were extremely expensive etc etc . The days if plenty that you imagine didn't exist ..and what did exist evaporated in the 80s and Thatcher . What the boomers had was a chance to buy a house or rent a house that todays young people struggle with. Plenty of them do though .. Firstly I'm a similar age to you, so yes I remember them as well as do you. But you are comparing to when you were a kid. Not when you were a grown up, so that's your Dads generation. As for your carpenters, yes I agree more young people should go into the building trade, but that's a relatively small number. Where are all the meduim paid jobs working as printers, invoice clerks, typists, fork truck drivers etc etc. They are gone. Replaced by low paid peripheral work in leisure and delivery. At the same time mortgages have increased from being 20% of your income to 40% of your income. The only blame our generation carry is our unwillingness to shoulder the burden of the ever increasing medical treatments we enjoyed, so this extra tax burden was met by increasing the population and by that the GDP every year in a game of perpetual catch up until there was no room left. Now we want that stopped and no more homes built in our back yards, so stuff the young and let them suffer, just ring fence our pensions.I'm not aware of anyone who voted for mass immigration - in fact they tended to vote for parties who said they would reduce immigration - but lied about it.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 21, 2023 17:46:02 GMT
Printers , typists etc etc are gone because of the rise of technology. The same technology that has given the new generation a wealth of electronic gadgets and a new virtual reality that they seem to have embraced . Yes that's what I said. When people think of automation they imagine robots building cars, but the real jobs have gone because of AI, automated banking Sage, programmable self monitoring printing machines etc. They weren't around much in our lucky young days when we were earning good money. I've no idea what you mean by that? Boomers were of a certain era how can I connect or disconnect them from another era? Its often been given as one of the reasons for leaving the EU that we were overcrowded. Nimbyism in not a construct of the young. Did you miss the outcry when that was muted? But its nothing to do with what I'm saying, I am saying every generation thinks the next one is weak soft, has it easy. You didn’t say it, I said it . There are jobs around today that were not around in the past ie software developer. Not only that but without the migrants that apparently do jobs better and cheaper than us , we have a great opportunity opened by Brexit . Good thing eh? Apparently boomers childhood can’t be part of the argument ..according to you . No it wasn’t , it was part of the leavers argument that we had excessive immigration . There is a difference . Of course there would be an outcry. So what ? Nope you are argument is exactly the opposite . You are saying that the boomers had it easy . Do you actually read what you post?
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Post by zanygame on Jan 21, 2023 18:21:40 GMT
Firstly I'm a similar age to you, so yes I remember them as well as do you. But you are comparing to when you were a kid. Not when you were a grown up, so that's your Dads generation. As for your carpenters, yes I agree more young people should go into the building trade, but that's a relatively small number. Where are all the meduim paid jobs working as printers, invoice clerks, typists, fork truck drivers etc etc. They are gone. Replaced by low paid peripheral work in leisure and delivery. At the same time mortgages have increased from being 20% of your income to 40% of your income. The only blame our generation carry is our unwillingness to shoulder the burden of the ever increasing medical treatments we enjoyed, so this extra tax burden was met by increasing the population and by that the GDP every year in a game of perpetual catch up until there was no room left. Now we want that stopped and no more homes built in our back yards, so stuff the young and let them suffer, just ring fence our pensions.I'm not aware of anyone who voted for mass immigration - in fact they tended to vote for parties who said they would reduce immigration - but lied about it. Yep, we didn't want it but we needed our GDP to grow each year and we weren't having children. The alternative was to pay more tax each. Do tell me why do you think every government bought hundreds of thousands of immigrants in every year?
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 21, 2023 18:40:47 GMT
I'm not aware of anyone who voted for mass immigration - in fact they tended to vote for parties who said they would reduce immigration - but lied about it. Yep, we didn't want it but we needed our GDP to grow each year and we weren't having children. The alternative was to pay more tax each. Do tell me why do you think every government bought hundreds of thousands of immigrants in every year? Well Labour did it because they wanted to 'rub the Right's nose in diversity' - and as I have pointed out before, immigration did not grow GDP per capita so we were no better off.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 21, 2023 18:48:45 GMT
Yep, we didn't want it but we needed our GDP to grow each year and we weren't having children. The alternative was to pay more tax each. Do tell me why do you think every government bought hundreds of thousands of immigrants in every year? Well Labour did it because they wanted to 'rub the Right's nose in diversity' - and as I have pointed out before, immigration did not grow GDP per capita so we were no better off. Yes ofcourse they did 🙄 And why did the Tories do it?
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Post by Toreador on Jan 21, 2023 19:38:07 GMT
I tend to agree with Bentley here. It was not boomers who took away from the next generation but global economies, over population and automation. The big divide I see is the older generations inability to appreciate how lucky they were with their well paid jobs and low cost housing. That and their inability to compare it with life for the current generation. A lack of compassion and a belief that they had it just as hard. The older generation - by which I mean people significantly older than my 57 years - came of age in a time of affordable house prices, plentiful social housing and reasonably affordable private rents, as well as full employment. The ones that went to uni did so for free, the rest got jobs easily and apprenticeships if they wanted them. Then having bought their homes cheaply or acquired their council houses, they voted for governments that generated housing booms to enrich themselves whilst making housing to buy ever more unaffordable to future generations. And they voted for governments that would sell them their council houses on the cheap, making social housing ever scarcer for future generations. Having benefitted from controlled rents they later became landlords and voted for governments that abolished rent control. Having benefitted from full employment they voted for governments that devastated industry for future generations so they could enjoy tax cuts. Having enjoyed free university tuition they voted to impose fees and student debt on future generations. And throughout it all they whinged about how hard they had it and how much easier it is for young people. The older generation - at least the ones who voted for it - were complicit in what was done to society. So much wrong with your analysis, I may come back to it later.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 21, 2023 19:42:21 GMT
I'm not aware of anyone who voted for mass immigration - in fact they tended to vote for parties who said they would reduce immigration - but lied about it. Yep, we didn't want it but we needed our GDP to grow each year and we weren't having children. The alternative was to pay more tax each. Do tell me why do you think every government bought hundreds of thousands of immigrants in every year? I know plenty of people who didn't have children because of immigration making this country full of shitholes in places. I knew a number of young couples who moved to rural France and started a family.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 21, 2023 20:04:51 GMT
Yep, we didn't want it but we needed our GDP to grow each year and we weren't having children. The alternative was to pay more tax each. Do tell me why do you think every government bought hundreds of thousands of immigrants in every year? I know plenty of people who didn't have children because of immigration making this country full of shitholes in places. I knew a number of young couples who moved to rural France and started a family. Do you know why the Tories ought thousands of immigrants in?
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Post by Toreador on Jan 21, 2023 20:42:05 GMT
I know plenty of people who didn't have children because of immigration making this country full of shitholes in places. I knew a number of young couples who moved to rural France and started a family. Do you know why the Tories ought thousands of immigrants in? Because Labour failed to do so?
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