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Post by Bentley on Jan 14, 2023 17:02:30 GMT
I nearly gave you a ‘ like’ for that post but didn’t when I realised that you were a knob😉 Thanks anyway  Selection for Grammar schools was their weakest point. Selection was about right . The envious whiners who didn’t manage to get into Grammar schools might cry foul but there was another chance at 13. There may be a case of yearly assessments but there would be a counter argument for continuity. After all , the CSE grade A would be considered equal to a GCE C pass and that would be enough for a secondary pupil to get into sixth form college ( if they acquired enough) . |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 17:04:59 GMT
I nearly gave you a ‘ like’ for that post but didn’t when I realised that you were a knob😉 LOL. A knob headed post creates a laugh for a knob headed reader. Whatever next  |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 14, 2023 17:05:25 GMT
Comprehensives have been around since 1967 so good luck with that .😉 Education increased dramatically after the two tier education nonsense introduced i.e. 'Grant Maintained' by Thatcher was dumped. Stop this bullshit. Comprehensives have been around since 1967. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 14, 2023 17:06:01 GMT
What's that got to do with Labour wanting to abolish Grammar Schools? The need to open education up for all via the comprehensive system. Don't even think they are called comprehensive now, they are rebranded.
"Academies are state-funded schools but they're independent from local authorities meaning they aren't run by councils. They can decide on their own curriculums, term dates, school hours and much more"
Grammar Schools by the backdoor ^^
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Post by Bentley on Jan 14, 2023 17:06:43 GMT
A knob headed post creates a lough for a knob headed reader. Whatever next Probably some half arsed knob like post from you .😊 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 17:08:21 GMT
A knob headed post creates a lough for a knob headed reader. Whatever next What's a 'lough'? LOL. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 17:16:03 GMT
A knob headed post creates a lough for a knob headed reader. Whatever next What's a 'lough'? LOL. Piss off. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 17:17:15 GMT
A knob headed post creates a lough for a knob headed reader. Whatever next Probably some half arsed knob like post from you .😊 Piss off. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 14, 2023 17:17:21 GMT
It was my experience. There was a grammar school in Amersham and a comprehensive in Chesham. You might find these two places familiar as they became famous after a by-election. Anyhow I had a look at both of them with the view to going to one or the other and realised almost immediately the standards expected at the comprehensive were far lower. The grammar school has class. The comprehensive was a kind of Grange Hill type of place if you know what i mean. The grammar school was mostly interesting in getting people to Oxford and Cambridge. You'd never make it in the comprehensive. You'd be working at Greggs.
I do actually agree with you about the 11+. They called it verbal reasoning. This term itself is an oxymoron. I think it was social engineering. Mind you it begs the question on how do you measure intelligence and what exactly are you measuring anyway. Roger Penrose, a Nobel Prize winner in physics, said when he was at school his class graded him as poor at maths until that was the tutor found out he could do it, but it took him longer then most, but having done it, the work was good. Tests are a very blunt instrument.
Then your school itself was shit , not the system . Our grammar school streamed the pupils after the first year, The two A classes were educated to the highest level The B classes were educated according to the pupils abilities. Plenty of my friends in the B streams became Engineers, lawyers, Architects etc . My school was a very odd place. It produced both Roger Moore and Dominic Raab. I think the headmaster though set the standards. He was a very sophisticated and educated man, but in no way what you could call a moderniser - more a bit of an English eccentric. It wasn't a bad punt. These comprehensives and what most schools are now I feel are soulless institutions. The school I was at had run for 400 years. I can't speak for the whole country. It was just the experience of my area. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 17:21:23 GMT
The need to open education up for all via the comprehensive system. Don't even think they are called comprehensive now, they are rebranded.
"Academies are state-funded schools but they're independent from local authorities meaning they aren't run by councils. They can decide on their own curriculums, term dates, school hours and much more"
Grammar Schools by the backdoor ^^
Yes, things have changed where pupils can sit a test to join some schools. I am not against people getting an opportunity for a good education. It is the weaknesses of 11+ that ruined the Grammar schools. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 14, 2023 17:22:05 GMT
The BBC should reflect the whole of society including the working class, and it should be fully inclusive and provide air time and programming for all minorities, groups and sections of society, in other words the BBC should be a true image of our society. In the past, our BBC pushed the boundries and was innovative, with programmes for deaf children and adults, specialised programming for farmers, it gave us the Open University, and it gave us not just entertainment, but information and education. I think its time to end political tampering with the BBC, governments should not be able to influence our state broadcaster, instead the ultimate decision makers ought to be a cross-party organisation which does not reflect the ruling or governing party, but instead gives equal voice across the Left and Right, and across the nations and regions of the UK. Prime Ministers and Tory or Labour culture ministers should be kept at a good distance without influence, other than advisory. Ah but the time you refer to was when it was elitist. The drop in standards is now where it is more representative. If the working class brute down the public bar was as much entertainment as the ones who made it onto the telly then no one would bother with the telly, or with the theatre or any other showcase of talent. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 17:24:17 GMT
Education increased dramatically after the two tier education nonsense introduced i.e. 'Grant Maintained' by Thatcher was dumped. Stop this bullshit. Comprehensives have been around since 1967. As too has the increasing numbers of people going to universities. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 14, 2023 17:29:43 GMT
That doesn’t mean that there was not the potential within the lower classes. The upper class has the luxury and indulgence to be educated. The lower classes did not . This is why I am a supporter of the Grammar school system as it was in the 60s. The system liberated the more intelligent working class pupils . I was about to post a 'like' for you post until I read about your claim about Grammar schools 'liberating the more intelligent working class students. The 11+ was just about the most diabolical way of deciding who would go to grammar schools and who would not. A system introduced by well meaning educated morons who might have been hard pressed to design a more useless system.
What do you think would have been better? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 17:29:47 GMT
Not very festive see2. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 14, 2023 17:33:41 GMT
Harold Wilson Wilson won a scholarship to attend Royds Hall Grammar School, his local grammar school (now a comprehensive school) in Huddersfield in Yorkshire. His father, working as an industrial chemist, was made redundant in December 1930, and it took him nearly two years to find work; he moved to Spital in Cheshire, on the Wirral, to do so. Wilson continued his education in the Sixth Form at the Wirral Grammar School for Boys, where he became Head Boy.
Starmer and Labour are double standard hypocrites trying to scrap Grammar Schools, it gave Wilson a chance he probably would never have had, and probably never would have became a Labour leader .... Labour and their hypocrisy is just jaw dropping.
Let's not forget there are more people going to University today than ever before, Most of them would have gone through the Comprehensive system. And like her or not Theresa May was comprehensive educated and she managed to become the leader of the Tory party as Prime Minister. Many of the unis today and the courses they provide are not worth a carrot. In days of yore, grammar schools provided an academic education, tech colleges for those more practical minded and juist below the standard for academic education. |
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