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Post by see2 on Jan 15, 2023 21:30:32 GMT
This is BRINO land Get the EU court of human rights out of the UK legal system. Review all the EU laws no longer applicable or requiring legislation and then lets see how we get the economy moving post COV-ID. The UK has been in cooperation with the EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights since it's inception in the 1950s. IIRC Winston Churchill played a part in setting it up. |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 15, 2023 21:54:54 GMT
No it isn't. My daughter and her husband have sold up their business in England, sold their house in London and have bought a place on a Mediterranean Island to take up residence in without any problem at all. They merely had to fill in a couple of documents and be open about their income and tax affairs. I suspect those in Magaluf that are experiencing problems have not done either. Also reciprocal healthcare agreements are no longer in place. Many people have had to return to the UK because they can't afford to pay for their healthcare. They also can't afford to buy property since their cheap home in the sun is now difficult to sell and virtually worthless. I bet many of them, now living on welfare in rented accommodation with wine habits they can no longer afford, are regretting voting to leave. And that's the way it should be. A privilege to live in another country. Not a right of entitlement. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 15, 2023 21:59:10 GMT
This is BRINO land Get the EU court of human rights out of the UK legal system. Review all the EU laws no longer applicable or requiring legislation and then lets see how we get the economy moving post COV-ID. The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU and nothing to do with Brexit. 🙄 |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 15, 2023 22:06:37 GMT
This is BRINO land Get the EU court of human rights out of the UK legal system. Review all the EU laws no longer applicable or requiring legislation and then lets see how we get the economy moving post COV-ID. The UK has been in cooperation with the EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights since it's inception in the 1950s. IIRC Winston Churchill played a part in setting it up. Perhaps it was true that Churchill didn't have all his brain cells in order. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Jan 15, 2023 22:29:12 GMT
This is BRINO land Get the EU court of human rights out of the UK legal system. Review all the EU laws no longer applicable or requiring legislation and then lets see how we get the economy moving post COV-ID. The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU and nothing to do with Brexit. 🙄 It's disappointing how often you need to tell people that. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 16, 2023 9:00:29 GMT
The UK has acceded to the second and final phase of accession to the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). This is a free trading bloc of 11 countries in the Indo-Pacific region: Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam. It is free trade, not political subservience to another Parliament, we don't have to pay 21 Billion pounds to be a member, nor do we have to endure the CPTPP dictating how many immigrants we must have, how we must measure our own food and drink and have to follow an infinite number of regulations and laws that we didn't pass in our own Parliament. That is an improvement on what we already had I think, don't you? The UK already has comprehensive trading agreements with most of these countries, courtesy of the EU. How is joining a very young group of countries still forming its rules going to benefit the UK? I asked this before and you replied with the fact that we are applying to join. I know. I asked how this is BETTER than the agreements we already have. The UK has no idea how this group will develop, and it is heavily weighted towards Pacific interests. There is lots of time for the group to morph into another EU and the UK has a much smaller voice than amongst like minded countries. So how is joining this better than the sovereignty the UK wanted when it voted to leave? |
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Post by om15 on Jan 16, 2023 9:07:20 GMT
I think that I addressed that question in the second paragraph.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 16, 2023 9:09:35 GMT
The UK has acceded to the second and final phase of accession to the Comprehensive and Progressive Trans-Pacific Partnership (CPTPP). This is a free trading bloc of 11 countries in the Indo-Pacific region: Australia, Brunei, Canada, Chile, Japan, Malaysia, Mexico, New Zealand, Peru, Singapore and Vietnam. It is free trade, not political subservience to another Parliament, we don't have to pay 21 Billion pounds to be a member, nor do we have to endure the CPTPP dictating how many immigrants we must have, how we must measure our own food and drink and have to follow an infinite number of regulations and laws that we didn't pass in our own Parliament. That is an improvement on what we already had I think, don't you? The UK already has comprehensive trading agreements with most of these countries, courtesy of the EU. How is joining a very young group of countries still forming its rules going to benefit the UK? I asked this before and you replied with the fact that we are applying to join. I know. I asked how this is BETTER than the agreements we already have. The UK has no idea how this group will develop, and it is heavily weighted towards Pacific interests. There is lots of time for the group to morph into another EU and the UK has a much smaller voice than amongst like minded countries. So how is joining this better than the sovereignty the UK wanted when it voted to leave? Are you suggesting we should withdraw from te agreement? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 16, 2023 9:11:01 GMT
The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU and nothing to do with Brexit. 🙄 It's disappointing how often you need to tell people that. And strangely enough those who misunderstood and need to be enlightened usually have very strong misinformed opinions about it. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 16, 2023 9:16:30 GMT
It is now a privilege where before it was a right.Also reciprocal healthcare agreements are no longer in place. Many people have had to return to the UK because they can't afford to pay for their healthcare. They also can't afford to buy property since their cheap home in the sun is now difficult to sell and virtually worthless. I bet many of them, now living on welfare in rented accommodation with wine habits they can no longer afford, are regretting voting to leave. And that's the way it should be. A privilege to live in another country. Not a right of entitlement. That misses the advantages of having equal rights, like the right in the UK to live in Scotland or Wales or England or Northern Ireland. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 16, 2023 9:19:26 GMT
The UK has been in cooperation with the EUROPEAN Court of Human Rights since it's inception in the 1950s. IIRC Winston Churchill played a part in setting it up. Perhaps it was true that Churchill didn't have all his brain cells in order. Yes, a great wartime leader, but should have stayed out of politics. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 16, 2023 9:39:06 GMT
This is BRINO land Get the EU court of human rights out of the UK legal system. Review all the EU laws no longer applicable or requiring legislation and then lets see how we get the economy moving post COV-ID. The ECHR is nothing to do with the EU and nothing to do with Brexit. 🙄 To say The ECHR is 'nothing to do' with the EU is, lets be generous and say misleading. The ECHR (European Convention on Human Rights) covers the 46 member states of the Council of Europe which together with the European Parliament is the main decision making body of the EU. To say the ECHR has 'nothing to do' with the EU is incorrect. Points to note: ECHR - not to be confused with the ECtHR. Council of Europe - not to be confused with the European Council. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 16, 2023 9:39:10 GMT
I think that I addressed that question in the second paragraph. There is an unelected Commission which has now met 7 times and has made decisions about the future structure and development of the groups. Check out Wiki. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_and_Progressive_Agreement_for_Trans-Pacific_Partnershiplordslibrary.parliament.uk/uk-membership-of-the-trans-pacific-trade-agreement/It also costs money to join the group. And is the UK going to be offered a referendum to join, seeing as this is such a big issue around the EU? Now if you want to carry on discussing this, read up on it first and then answer my question. What are the benefits we would gain by joining? Estimates seem to be around .08% of GDP, no democratically elected commission that makes decisions no one votes on, and more or less ignorance about it or other members in the UK. Issues such as food standards, digital protection, phytosanitary control and the status of state owned industries are all undecided. So I ask yet again, what are the benefits? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 16, 2023 9:44:52 GMT
And that's the way it should be. A privilege to live in another country. Not a right of entitlement. That misses the advantages of having equal rights, like the right in the UK to live in Scotland or Wales or England or Northern Ireland. None of which are sovereign independent countries and thus cannot be compared to a Romanian national having the entitlement and right to live and work in the UK if he so chooses. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 16, 2023 9:51:23 GMT
That misses the advantages of having equal rights, like the right in the UK to live in Scotland or Wales or England or Northern Ireland. None of which are sovereign independent countries and thus cannot be compared to a Romanian national having the entitlement and right to live and work in the UK if he so chooses. Andrew Tate seemed to think it was a good idea. Seriously what if you were a super specialist space expert headhunted by Estonia, a country known for expertise in electronics and attracting the best experts in the world. (Actually, true). And they withdrew the offer because you couldn't stay more than half the year in any one year. (Also true). And these conditions apply to any Brit who wants to experience living or working at any level or job. It takes away such opportunites and remov3s personal choice. |
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