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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 7:43:47 GMT
No you have that totally wrong - even had we stayed in we would still have paid towards those costs Yes. 9 billion a year for which in return We got grants and loans for regions such as Cornwall, which haven't been replaced yet, a huge market for fish and fish processing which has dried up, free access to all Horizon projects, cheap medical staff, dependable agricultural staff who don't have to be airlifted thousands of miles or agencies don't have to be paid, an open access to the best scientific personnel in Europe, trans european police tracking of criminals, automatic protection of food and phytosanitary standards, investment in large infrastructure projects and inclusion in deciding the future of the EU. 9 billion is peanuts when you consider it costs 180 billion to run the NHS and over 100 billion to run education. All the above will now be paid for by the taxpayer who already pay some of the highest taxes in Europe.
LOL you still dont get it - whether we are in or out of the EU all of that will be paid for by the UK taxpayer, the EU is an irrelevance. We were a net contributor to the EU - we put more money in to it than we got out. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 7:44:55 GMT
There's no statute of limitations on good arguments. Do you think your arguments were good enough in 2016? |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 7:49:57 GMT
Just more standard issue remainer bollocks... Maybe you could actually reply with some factual content? Why don't you tell us all the great new ideas Leavers have now they have secured the Brexit bonus of sovereignty and total control. So far I don't see any so maybe you could prove me wrong. It's not more than a day or two ago you were saying we need to accept Brexit and get on with our lives; changing your mind seems to be a pattern with you. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 7:54:30 GMT
There's no statute of limitations on good arguments. Do you think your arguments were good enough in 2016? Even having spent more than a quid encouraging the newly enfranchised to register and get their arse down the polling booths. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 8:07:02 GMT
Yes. 9 billion a year for which in return We got grants and loans for regions such as Cornwall, which haven't been replaced yet, a huge market for fish and fish processing which has dried up, free access to all Horizon projects, cheap medical staff, dependable agricultural staff who don't have to be airlifted thousands of miles or agencies don't have to be paid, an open access to the best scientific personnel in Europe, trans european police tracking of criminals, automatic protection of food and phytosanitary standards, investment in large infrastructure projects and inclusion in deciding the future of the EU. 9 billion is peanuts when you consider it costs 180 billion to run the NHS and over 100 billion to run education. All the above will now be paid for by the taxpayer who already pay some of the highest taxes in Europe.
LOL you still dont get it - whether we are in or out of the EU all of that will be paid for by the UK taxpayer, the EU is an irrelevance. We were a net contributor to the EU - we put more money in to it than we got out. And now we are going to have to bear all the costs without the loans and grants we got. It is going to cost a lot more because of the changes in immigration and customs duties. I forgot the money spent by the EU on securing far better trade deals due to the size of our market too. Our own three are pathetic if not actually harmful. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 8:29:30 GMT
Just more standard issue remainer bollocks... Which bit are you saying wasn't true? 🤔 All of it. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 8:34:12 GMT
Just more standard issue remainer bollocks... Maybe you could actually reply with some factual content? Why don't you tell us all the great new ideas Leavers have now they have secured the Brexit bonus of sovereignty and total control. So far I don't see any so maybe you could prove me wrong. Nothing we haven't read a hundred times before from you remaning whingers. FFS move on you lost. Is it the fault of the leaers that the knuckle draggers in Cornwall were not ready to adapt? |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 8:40:01 GMT
I asked you what benefits you have won and what progress you who voted to leave, have gained.
I am still waiting for an answer.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 8:49:23 GMT
LOL you still dont get it - whether we are in or out of the EU all of that will be paid for by the UK taxpayer, the EU is an irrelevance. We were a net contributor to the EU - we put more money in to it than we got out. And now we are going to have to bear all the costs without the loans and grants we got. It is going to cost a lot more because of the changes in immigration and customs duties. I forgot the money spent by the EU on securing far better trade deals due to the size of our market too. Our own three are pathetic if not actually harmful. paid for the loans and grants - it was our own money coming back to us.  |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 8:52:06 GMT
I asked you what benefits you have won and what progress you who voted to leave, have gained. I am still waiting for an answer. I am sick of posting them as ANY benefits is just demeaned by you and your clan. Lokk back on this forum I have posted many but of course that means you have to get off your fat arse. |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 23, 2023 8:52:19 GMT
Oracle if you give me 20 quid and I give you 11 quid back and tell you how to spend it, you've given me £9 I haven't given you anything.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 8:55:27 GMT
And now we are going to have to bear all the costs without the loans and grants we got. It is going to cost a lot more because of the changes in immigration and customs duties. I forgot the money spent by the EU on securing far better trade deals due to the size of our market too. Our own three are pathetic if not actually harmful. paid for the loans and grants - it was our own money coming back to us. But we didn't pay for collective scientific and medical advances, our economy grew due to EU trade deals, we were protected from criminal immigration by crossborder policing and by Frontex, our young people benefitted from study abroad, no one knows how much we gained by being on a roup which carefully protects import standards... Perhaps you would like to explain on what stats this "net payer" is based on. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 8:57:41 GMT
I asked you what benefits you have won and what progress you who voted to leave, have gained. I am still waiting for an answer. I am sick of posting them as ANY benefits is just demeaned by you and your clan. Lokk back on this forum I have posted many but of course that means you have to get off your fat arse. I haven't noticed any explanation of what benefits Brexit has brought. Not even Moggie had any to report. And I see no reason for personal insults other than defensiveness. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 23, 2023 8:59:38 GMT
I am sick of posting them as ANY benefits is just demeaned by you and your clan. Lokk back on this forum I have posted many but of course that means you have to get off your fat arse. I haven't noticed any explanation of what benefits Brexit has brought. Not even Moggie had any to report. And I see no reason for personal insults other than defensiveness. Maybe you should open your eyes and your mind rather than being a dormant vegetable..... |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 9:19:47 GMT
I haven't noticed any explanation of what benefits Brexit has brought. Not even Moggie had any to report. And I see no reason for personal insults other than defensiveness. Maybe you should open your eyes and your mind rather than being a dormant vegetable..... Well that makes three tries at asking you to give examples of what you claim is true. In return I have had no examples but personal abuse so I have to assume that you don't have any examples of the benefits of Brexit. Maybe you could use your superior intelligence and explain on what information/statistics/facts the UK was estimated to be a net contributer. For example how much trade through EU agreements did the UK profit by if it hadn't been in the EU? How much did Joe Bloggs benefit the UK because he went to a European country and learned the language and made important friendships which he used when back in the UK? How much tax did the Chancellor take from those who lived abroad and rented out their British home? When Leavers were telling lies they said they would lower corporation tax and everyone would come running. Instead "The corporation tax is currently 19 percent, but an earlier UK budget has scheduled it to increase to 25 percent, effective April 1, 2023, for firms with incomes above £250,000." One of the higher in Europe. taxfoundation.org/corporate-tax-rates-europe-2022/Now perhaps you can explain how this is going to encourage growth in the UK as promised when so many countries in the EU have lower rates and lower customs duties and better infrastructure. So can you now tell me some benefits of Brexit? |
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