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Post by om15 on Jan 21, 2023 15:41:09 GMT
Don't be impatient, it is obvious that it will take time to develop the benefits, only the most enthusiastic would expect immediate results, but here are a few things that make me feel better,
1. Not having to pay £12 Billion per annum to fund EU wastage and corruption.
2. Not having the threat of having to join an EU army.
3. Not having unelected Germans dicating the domestic policy of the United Kingdom.
4. Having a blue passport.
5. Paying 50p less for a bottle of wine.
6. Being able to lead the way in supporting Ukraine, look at our response and look how Germany are fence sitting.
7. Enjoying the prospect of Jacob Rees Mogg supervising the removal of EU laws from the statute book.
There have not been any downsides for me personally, I don't have a holiday home in the Dordogne, nor am I a cheese exporter. I have no particular dislike of foreigners, but am relieved that untold numbers of freshly anointed EU citizens from who knows where no longer have the legal right to settle in my overcrowded part of England.
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Post by bancroft on Jan 21, 2023 16:24:24 GMT
So will it be called Breturn or Brejoin when we go back in? Or to some ......... treason. Yet there will need to be another referendum when this happens not MPs quietly signing away on documents on our sovereignty without coming clean about it. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 21, 2023 21:29:29 GMT
For heavens sake. One unelected citizen represents 27 countries?? Please dont insult me like that again. Verhofsted has always been in support of British membership but he doesn't represent anyone but his constituency now. Thanks Kim. By that token, you only represent yourself and therefore your opinion on the EU wanting nothing to do with Britain is worthless. Well by the title of the thread it seems I represent over half the UK. Why don't you read some European press who will tell you what they think. You will have to look hard because the UK is hardly mentioned. I have no idea who Kim is. It certainly isn't me. I belong to various discussion groups and information crosses over. I heard about a new forum and because it was so very small, joined up. I got the URL from someone who was in the old group and who sent it to me. You may not be aware but the public parts of this and any forum are open to non members. And the forum contents are not secured. I voted to remain just as nearly 33 million people did. Leavers have a tiresome repeated narrative. So do remainers. However it seems to me that the UK voted on the wrong side of history and will feel the weight of it for many years. The title of the thread is correct and fighting over 6 year old crumbs is ridiculous. So far I have seen NO evidence of any benefits of Brexit that matter to me and my family. Have I made myself clear? |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 21, 2023 21:48:06 GMT
Thanks Kim. By that token, you only represent yourself and therefore your opinion on the EU wanting nothing to do with Britain is worthless. Well by the title of the thread it seems I represent over half the UK. Why don't you read some European press who will tell you what they think. You will have to look hard because the UK is hardly mentioned. I have no idea who Kim is. It certainly isn't me. I belong to various discussion groups and information crosses over. I heard about a new forum and because it was so very small, joined up. I got the URL from someone who was in the old group and who sent it to me. You may not be aware but the public parts of this and any forum are open to non members. And the forum contents are not secured. I voted to remain just as nearly 33 million people did. Leavers have a tiresome repeated narrative. So do remainers. However it seems to me that the UK voted on the wrong side of history and will feel the weight of it for many years. The title of the thread is correct and fighting over 6 year old crumbs is ridiculous. So far I have seen NO evidence of any benefits of Brexit that matter to me and my family. Have I made myself clear?
No, you haven'rt explained why it took six years. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 21, 2023 23:45:08 GMT
Don't be impatient, it is obvious that it will take time to develop the benefits, only the most enthusiastic would expect immediate results, but here are a few things that make me feel better, 1. Not having to pay £12 Billion per annum to fund EU wastage and corruption. 2. Not having the threat of having to join an EU army. 3. Not having unelected Germans dicating the domestic policy of the United Kingdom. 4. Having a blue passport. 5. Paying 50p less for a bottle of wine. 6. Being able to lead the way in supporting Ukraine, look at our response and look how Germany are fence sitting. 7. Enjoying the prospect of Jacob Rees Mogg supervising the removal of EU laws from the statute book. There have not been any downsides for me personally, I don't have a holiday home in the Dordogne, nor am I a cheese exporter. I have no particular dislike of foreigners, but am relieved that untold numbers of freshly anointed EU citizens from who knows where no longer have the legal right to settle in my overcrowded part of England. Everyone, absolutely everyone had their own reasons to vote on Brexit the way they did, obviously with overlapping values amongst us all. I voted to leave, simply to kick the EU dictatorship into touch. I never bothered weighing up what the gains and losses might be, at the end of the day, staying in and being out means losses and gains. But for me, UK sovereignty utterly trumped any losses or gains. And for nearly 7 years, everyone is trying to claim what we've lost and gained. Seven fucking years of Remoaners moaning. Brexit and Indyref1 highlighted who the undemocratic people are. And when someone complains scientists stopped getting funding, I can't visit my second home and vineyard in the South of France etc .. It just simply highlights what criteria they based their vote on. Either way, I wish they would stop bloody whining. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 0:13:00 GMT
Don't be impatient, it is obvious that it will take time to develop the benefits, only the most enthusiastic would expect immediate results, but here are a few things that make me feel better, 1. Not having to pay £12 Billion per annum to fund EU wastage and corruption. 2. Not having the threat of having to join an EU army. 3. Not having unelected Germans dicating the domestic policy of the United Kingdom. 4. Having a blue passport. 5. Paying 50p less for a bottle of wine. 6. Being able to lead the way in supporting Ukraine, look at our response and look how Germany are fence sitting. 7. Enjoying the prospect of Jacob Rees Mogg supervising the removal of EU laws from the statute book. There have not been any downsides for me personally, I don't have a holiday home in the Dordogne, nor am I a cheese exporter. I have no particular dislike of foreigners, but am relieved that untold numbers of freshly anointed EU citizens from who knows where no longer have the legal right to settle in my overcrowded part of England. Grasping at straws. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 0:21:05 GMT
Don't be impatient, it is obvious that it will take time to develop the benefits, only the most enthusiastic would expect immediate results, but here are a few things that make me feel better, 1. Not having to pay £12 Billion per annum to fund EU wastage and corruption. 2. Not having the threat of having to join an EU army. 3. Not having unelected Germans dicating the domestic policy of the United Kingdom. 4. Having a blue passport. 5. Paying 50p less for a bottle of wine. 6. Being able to lead the way in supporting Ukraine, look at our response and look how Germany are fence sitting. 7. Enjoying the prospect of Jacob Rees Mogg supervising the removal of EU laws from the statute book. There have not been any downsides for me personally, I don't have a holiday home in the Dordogne, nor am I a cheese exporter. I have no particular dislike of foreigners, but am relieved that untold numbers of freshly anointed EU citizens from who knows where no longer have the legal right to settle in my overcrowded part of England. Everyone, absolutely everyone had their own reasons to vote on Brexit the way they did, obviously with overlapping values amongst us all. I voted to leave, simply to kick the EU dictatorship into touch. I never bothered weighing up what the gains and losses might be, at the end of the day, staying in and being out means losses and gains. But for me, UK sovereignty utterly trumped any losses or gains. And for nearly 7 years, everyone is trying to claim what we've lost and gained. Seven fucking years of Remoaners moaning. Brexit and Indyref1 highlighted who the undemocratic people are. And when someone complains scientists stopped getting funding, I can't visit my second home and vineyard in the South of France etc .. It just simply highlights what criteria they based their vote on. Either way, I wish they would stop bloody whining. Countries like the UK, Germany, Russia, America etc. seem to get along well with their Unified states. Brexshiters have difficulty in recognising the obvious and settle for moaning about remainers who have no power over Brexit, as though Remainers are to blame for the mess left by those who voted leave. |
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Post by nonnie2 on Jan 22, 2023 0:25:46 GMT
Everyone, absolutely everyone had their own reasons to vote on Brexit the way they did, obviously with overlapping values amongst us all. I voted to leave, simply to kick the EU dictatorship into touch. I never bothered weighing up what the gains and losses might be, at the end of the day, staying in and being out means losses and gains. But for me, UK sovereignty utterly trumped any losses or gains. And for nearly 7 years, everyone is trying to claim what we've lost and gained. Seven fucking years of Remoaners moaning. Brexit and Indyref1 highlighted who the undemocratic people are. And when someone complains scientists stopped getting funding, I can't visit my second home and vineyard in the South of France etc .. It just simply highlights what criteria they based their vote on. Either way, I wish they would stop bloody whining. Countries like the UK, Germany, Russia, America etc. seem to get along well with their Unified states. Brexshiters have difficulty in recognising the obvious and settle for moaning about remainers who have no power over Brexit, as though Remainers are to blame for the mess left by those who voted leave. But we're out, seven years of whining. We've heard the same old crap from Remoaners for seven years. Brexit is living rent free in your heads. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 22, 2023 7:05:47 GMT
Just stop talking about it!
Across the spectrum of discussion groups this must be the last one standing that is still talking about the same arguments about Brexit.
It is like going back in time where the inhabitants are permanently stuck in one place and keep having to relive the same events over and over.
Elsewhere people are discussing the strikes, the problems in the NHS, whether the state has the right to place conditions on strikers and if it chips away at free speech, where has all our tax money gone, Tory ex chancellors and current PM's tax affairs, levelling up and why the funds are spent more in the southeast than the north...again, why the funds aren't devolved to regions, buying votes from traditional Tory voters...
And this forum is still arguing as if it is 2016.
It is getting seriously boring.
Perhaps the mods could open a place called Brexit and those who are still stuck in a time loop can all post in there and the rest of us can get on with chatting about today.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 7:53:04 GMT
Just stop talking about it! Across the spectrum of discussion groups this must be the last one standing that is still talking about the same arguments about Brexit. It is like going back in time where the inhabitants are permanently stuck in one place and keep having to relive the same events over and over. Elsewhere people are discussing the strikes, the problems in the NHS, whether the state has the right to place conditions on strikers and if it chips away at free speech, where has all our tax money gone, Tory ex chancellors and current PM's tax affairs, levelling up and why the funds are spent more in the southeast than the north...again, why the funds aren't devolved to regions, buying votes from traditional Tory voters... And this forum is still arguing as if it is 2016. It is getting seriously boring. Perhaps the mods could open a place called Brexit and those who are still stuck in a time loop can all post in there and the rest of us can get on with chatting about today. I tried to stop incessant Brexit crap on the old forum, suggesting what we should be doing were measures to make Brexit a success. No banana. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 8:04:27 GMT
Countries like the UK, Germany, Russia, America etc. seem to get along well with their Unified states. Brexshiters have difficulty in recognising the obvious and settle for moaning about remainers who have no power over Brexit, as though Remainers are to blame for the mess left by those who voted leave. But we're out, seven years of whining. We've heard the same old crap from Remoaners for seven years. Brexit is living rent free in your heads. Yes we are out, how clever of you to point that out  Even longer whining by Brexshiters with their pie in the sky delusions about all we need to do is leave and the sun will shine on the UK. Talk about the self-deluded. Brexit has brought many problems so far and proved that many Brexshiters are pretty dumb. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 22, 2023 8:16:58 GMT
Just stop talking about it! Across the spectrum of discussion groups this must be the last one standing that is still talking about the same arguments about Brexit. It is like going back in time where the inhabitants are permanently stuck in one place and keep having to relive the same events over and over. Elsewhere people are discussing the strikes, the problems in the NHS, whether the state has the right to place conditions on strikers and if it chips away at free speech, where has all our tax money gone, Tory ex chancellors and current PM's tax affairs, levelling up and why the funds are spent more in the southeast than the north...again, why the funds aren't devolved to regions, buying votes from traditional Tory voters... And this forum is still arguing as if it is 2016. It is getting seriously boring. Perhaps the mods could open a place called Brexit and those who are still stuck in a time loop can all post in there and the rest of us can get on with chatting about today. I tried to stop incessant Brexit crap on the old forum, suggesting what we should be doing were measures to make Brexit a success. No banana. I'm not surprised. There is a significant cohort who cannot accept we have now left and who are constantly agitating for a return (see this thread) - the democratic process only functions when you have losers consent, unfortunately this was in short supply in the Referendum. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 8:27:18 GMT
I tried to stop incessant Brexit crap on the old forum, suggesting what we should be doing were measures to make Brexit a success. No banana. I'm not surprised. There is a significant cohort who cannot accept we have now left and who are constantly agitating for a return (see this thread) - the democratic process only functions when you have losers consent, unfortunately this was in short supply in the Referendum. The government doesn't need Leavers consent on Brexit. Even so Many leavers have, just like Starmer, accepted Brexit. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 8:52:55 GMT
I'm not surprised. There is a significant cohort who cannot accept we have now left and who are constantly agitating for a return (see this thread) - the democratic process only functions when you have losers consent, unfortunately this was in short supply in the Referendum. The government doesn't need Leavers consent on Brexit. Even so Many leavers have, just like Starmer, accepted Brexit. Did you mean Remnants? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 22, 2023 9:29:42 GMT
I don't think he does. You can see from this forum that there are some leavers who still think that we haven't fully left.
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