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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 13:42:17 GMT
LOL
anyone would have thought he said 59 million FFS lol  He will still swerve, wriggle and post non relevant bollocks as he always does |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 13:44:08 GMT
If its any help at least I get a reflection in a mirror…Why you have to make yourself a standing joke on this forum is known only to you. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 12, 2023 13:47:13 GMT
All rational points — to which, unfortunately, the honest reply has to be that the gullibility of the general public is growing. And it’s this growing gullibility that allows people like Andrew Wakefield to enjoy themselves, and others to be led into harming themselves by taking Trump’s recommended fish-tank cleanser as a Covid cure. Countering the mass of misinformation about Covid is a massive undertaking and, as soon as anyone tries, they come under attack from the whole panoply of trolls and conspiracy theorists who get their kicks from controversy… How do we know it's 'misinformation' when there is no real data to back it up either way.
The Covid vaccine is in its infancy, so therefore the short/long term side effects are not available.
We wont really know for at least 5 years.
I would prefer to replace misinformation with 'unfounded', misinformation suggests that the vaccine makers know for absolute 100% certainty there is no side effects to the vaccine, which we know is untrue.
There is real data, and it’s being continually added to and updated. Covid vaccines are still recent in their use, but the underlying “technologies” have been researched, in some cases, for years. This is why they were able to be devised and brought into use so quickly. It’s the long-term trials of individual vaccines that were short circuited because the general consensus of governments and their medical advisers was that the need outweighed any risks — which remains the general opinion. There are accompanying information leaflets for all prescribed medications which list known side effects and their prevalence and invite all users to report any adverse effect they feel the medication has caused. These leaflets are regularly updated. Covid medications are no different in this respect. You may prefer the word “unfounded”. Others might choose alleged or suspected, and these are being voiced. Nevertheless, besides those who are genuinely suspicious and unsure, there are individuals and organisations whose intention is to spread misinformation and enjoy the effect or intend to grow the number of those who are nervous about Covid and other vaccinations. No doubt you and others can pick holes in my post — but I can assure you that my wife and I seriously investigate the recommendations and worries about the health of ourselves and our children. We are convinced that the range of recommended actions and medications to protect and treat Covid, its variants, and other current ailments, are the best available… |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 12, 2023 13:54:27 GMT
There is of course multiple vaccines, and more than one vaccine technology. They work in different ways. I would suggest that anyone who refers to "the vaccine" and making allegations without being specific probably needs to do a little more research. Well this is official data, but not much to go on really.
"As of 23 November 2022, for the UK, 177,925 Yellow Cards have been reported for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, 246,866 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 47,045 for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna, 52 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax and 2,130 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.
For the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna the overall reporting rate is around 2 to 5 Yellow Cards per 1,000 doses administered.
"In the 28 days since the previous summary for 26 October 2022 we have received a further 2,499 Yellow Cards for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, 228 for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 1,099 for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna, 15 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax and 154 where the brand was not specified. The increase in reports for Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines is due to the bivalent vaccine use in the national autumn booster campaign. Our review to date of suspected adverse events since the launch of the campaign has not revealed any new safety concerns".
How do we know it's 'misinformation' when there is no real data to back it up either way.
The Covid vaccine is in its infancy, so therefore the short/long term side effects are not available.
We wont really know for at least 5 years.
I would prefer to replace misinformation with 'unfounded', misinformation suggests that the vaccine makers know for absolute 100% certainty there is no side effects to the vaccine, which we know is untrue.
There is real data, and it’s being continually added to and updated. Covid vaccines are still recent in their use, but the underlying “technologies” have been researched, in some cases, for years. This is why they were able to be devised and brought into use so quickly. It’s the long-term trials of individual vaccines that were short circuited because the general consensus of governments and their medical advisers was that the need outweighed any risks — which remains the general opinion. There is an accompanying information leaflets for all prescribed medications which list known side effects and their prevalence and invites all users to report any adverse effect they feel the medication has caused. These leaflets are regularly updated. Covid medications are no different in this respect. You may prefer the word “unfounded”. Others might choose alleged or suspected, and these are being voiced. Nevertheless, besides those who are genuinely suspicious and unsure, there are individuals and organisations whose intention is to spread misinformation and enjoy the effect or intend to grow the number of those who are nervous about Covid and other vaccinations. No doubt you and others can pick holes in my post — but I can assure you that my wife and I seriously investigate the recommendations and worries about the health of ourselves and our children. We are convinced that the range of recommended actions and medications to protect and treat Covid, its variants, and other current ailments, are the best available… I take it you missed my post?
The one that clearly states data up until 23rd November 2022.
Don't tell me I don't do research, and it is not misinformation when the stats clearly confirm 'yellow cards' and numbers relating to Covid vaccine side effects.
The MP had every right to point it out, OK he probably didn't use the best comparison, but that is all he is guilty of.
It is early days for data on the vaccine side effects, but it's not misinformation to suggest there are side effects.
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Post by Steve on Jan 12, 2023 13:57:44 GMT
If its any help at least I get a reflection in a mirror…Why you have to make yourself a standing joke on this forum is known only to you. I make no apology for being honest and sticking up for honest debate. You however . . . . |
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Post by Steve on Jan 12, 2023 14:03:29 GMT
There is of course multiple vaccines, and more than one vaccine technology. They work in different ways. I would suggest that anyone who refers to "the vaccine" and making allegations without being specific probably needs to do a little more research. Well this is official data, but not much to go on really.
"As of 23 November 2022, for the UK, 177,925 Yellow Cards have been reported for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, 246,866 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 47,045 for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna, 52 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax and 2,130 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.
For the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna the overall reporting rate is around 2 to 5 Yellow Cards per 1,000 doses administered.
"In the 28 days since the previous summary for 26 October 2022 we have received a further 2,499 Yellow Cards for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, 228 for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 1,099 for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna, 15 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax and 154 where the brand was not specified. The increase in reports for Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines is due to the bivalent vaccine use in the national autumn booster campaign. Our review to date of suspected adverse events since the launch of the campaign has not revealed any new safety concerns".
Worth reading the whole document Coronavirus Vaccines Summary of Yellow Card reporting A yellow card really means any reaction and many of us have suffered short term flu like reactions but very few of those report such As that document says:
'What is a Yellow Card?
The Yellow Card scheme is a mechanism by which anybody can voluntarily report any
suspected adverse reactions or side effects to the vaccine. ' |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 14:03:44 GMT
If its any help at least I get a reflection in a mirror…Why you have to make yourself a standing joke on this forum is known only to you. I make no apology for being honest and sticking up for honest debate. You however . . . . You don’t even know what HONEST debate is. Oh and BTW you can call off your trained trolls on the forum you moderate because there is no-way I am going to bite…isn’t it strange how I am getting all these notification from your moderated forum since I have given you a few home truths?… |
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Post by patman post on Jan 12, 2023 14:09:28 GMT
Well this is official data, but not much to go on really.
"As of 23 November 2022, for the UK, 177,925 Yellow Cards have been reported for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, 246,866 have been reported for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 47,045 for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna, 52 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax and 2,130 have been reported where the brand of the vaccine was not specified.
For the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca and monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna the overall reporting rate is around 2 to 5 Yellow Cards per 1,000 doses administered.
"In the 28 days since the previous summary for 26 October 2022 we have received a further 2,499 Yellow Cards for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, 228 for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, 1,099 for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna, 15 for the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax and 154 where the brand was not specified. The increase in reports for Pfizer and Moderna COVID-19 vaccines is due to the bivalent vaccine use in the national autumn booster campaign. Our review to date of suspected adverse events since the launch of the campaign has not revealed any new safety concerns".
There is real data, and it’s being continually added to and updated. Covid vaccines are still recent in their use, but the underlying “technologies” have been researched, in some cases, for years. This is why they were able to be devised and brought into use so quickly. It’s the long-term trials of individual vaccines that were short circuited because the general consensus of governments and their medical advisers was that the need outweighed any risks — which remains the general opinion. There is an accompanying information leaflets for all prescribed medications which list known side effects and their prevalence and invites all users to report any adverse effect they feel the medication has caused. These leaflets are regularly updated. Covid medications are no different in this respect. You may prefer the word “unfounded”. Others might choose alleged or suspected, and these are being voiced. Nevertheless, besides those who are genuinely suspicious and unsure, there are individuals and organisations whose intention is to spread misinformation and enjoy the effect or intend to grow the number of those who are nervous about Covid and other vaccinations. No doubt you and others can pick holes in my post — but I can assure you that my wife and I seriously investigate the recommendations and worries about the health of ourselves and our children. We are convinced that the range of recommended actions and medications to protect and treat Covid, its variants, and other current ailments, are the best available… I take it you missed my post?
The one that clearly states data up until 23rd November 2022.
Don't tell me I don't do research, and it is not misinformation when the stats clearly confirm 'yellow cards' and numbers relating to Covid vaccine side effects.
The MP had every right to point it out, OK he probably didn't use the best comparison, but that is all he is guilty of.
It is early days for data on the vaccine side effects, but it's not misinformation to suggest there are side effects.
I did miss your post. Seeing it now gives me the feeling that you’re missing important points you’d get from reading the entire information in: www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-vaccine-adverse-reactions/coronavirus-vaccine-summary-of-yellow-card-reporting. All medications are likely to have side effects. The conclusion made in the above site states: Vaccines are the best way to protect people from COVID-19 and have already saved tens of thousands of lives. Everyone should continue to get their vaccination when invited to do so unless specifically advised otherwise.
As with all vaccines and medicines, the safety of COVID-19 vaccines is being continuously monitored.
The benefits of the vaccines in preventing COVID-19 and serious complications associated with COVID-19 far outweigh any currently known side effects in the majority of patients.
Further information on the type of suspected adverse reactions (ADRs) reported for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax is provided in Annex 1. It Vaccines are the best way to protect people from COVID-19 and have already saved tens of thousands of lives. Everyone should continue to get their vaccination when invited to do so unless specifically advised otherwise.
As with all vaccines and medicines, the safety of COVID-19 vaccines is being continuously monitored.
The benefits of the vaccines in preventing COVID-19 and serious complications associated with COVID-19 far outweigh any currently known side effects in the majority of patients.
Further information on the type of suspected adverse reactions (ADRs) reported for the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Pfizer/BioNTech, the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca, the monovalent and bivalent COVID-19 Vaccine Moderna and the COVID-19 Vaccine Novavax is provided in Annex 1. It is important to read the attached guidance notes to ensure appropriate interpretation of the data. My bold… |
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Post by Steve on Jan 12, 2023 14:09:53 GMT
I make no apology for being honest and sticking up for honest debate. You however . . . . You don’t even know what HONEST debate is. Oh and BTW you can call off your trained trolls on the forum you moderate because there is no-way I am going to bite…isn’t it strange how I am getting all these notification from your moderated forum since I have given you a few home truths?… I have no idea what you are referring to, you select the notifications you want to receive from there. It's a simple selection screen a child could operate |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 14:19:38 GMT
You don’t even know what HONEST debate is. Oh and BTW you can call off your trained trolls on the forum you moderate because there is no-way I am going to bite…isn’t it strange how I am getting all these notification from your moderated forum since I have given you a few home truths?… , you select the notifications you want to receive from there. It's a simple selection screen a child could operate Well of course you don’t….LOL And as for me venturing to your excuse for a forum I wouldn’t lower myself to venture there. I have just blocked all emails from tapatalk which is far easier and painless. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 12, 2023 14:51:42 GMT
You've made that promise before Jonksy and guess what, you went back (for another burst of forum wrecking trash posting).
Please say if you want me to set your account to match your bile
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 14:56:59 GMT
You've made that promise before Jonksy and guess what, you went back (for another burst of forum wrecking trash posting). Please say if you want me to set your account to match your bile Yes I did and bigger fool me. It was only trolling as deemed by you so not worth a fuck anyway. You hate the frigging truth end of so bugger off and ignore my posts from now on as you cannot handle the truth. |
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Post by Steve on Jan 12, 2023 15:00:43 GMT
And some say threads don't get wrecked here ^
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 18:52:30 GMT
And some say threads don't get wrecked here ^ Then stop wrecking them.....Glad I could help |
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