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Post by Pacifico on Jan 11, 2023 18:23:49 GMT
No loss to the Tories. Among other "irregularities", he was found by a High Court judge to have lied under oath in relation to claims that he made in court about his family business, AB Produce; broke the MPs’ code of conduct by approaching ministers and officials for a company that had given him a donation, a visit to Ghana and offered him an advisory contract; sided with Jacob Rees-Mogg's view that Grenfell residents should have known the London Fire Brigade's advice to stay put was wrong.Five day's suspension seems inadequate... It was wrong... |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 11, 2023 18:26:10 GMT
The government do seem to fear any meaningful debate on jab injuries. When he addressed the House on the issue the hearing was boycotted, with just a handful of MPs present. They clearly do not want to discuss the issue. Because of the risk of people asking for compensation and upsetting powerful corporate interests. For most the virus was not much worse than normal flu and for some others the vaccine was worse than the virus. The lock-down should have ended after 3 months with just recommendations for vulnerable people like care homes yet for me the money interest prevailed. Now because of the recent history it has become a taboo subject. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2023 18:43:10 GMT
The government do seem to fear any meaningful debate on jab injuries. When he addressed the House on the issue the hearing was boycotted, with just a handful of MPs present. They clearly do not want to discuss the issue. Because of the risk of people asking for compensation and upsetting powerful corporate interests. For most the virus was not much worse than normal flu and for some others the vaccine was worse than the virus. The lock-down should have ended after 3 months with just recommendations for vulnerable people like care homes yet for me the money interest prevailed. Now because of the recent history it has become a taboo subject. Spot on
It all boils down to money, power and corruption, the pharmaceutical Industry and vaccines are BIG Money.
Many powerful individuals/investors have money invested in these companies, hence the reason any negative reports shares can plummet.
It speaks volumes when main media sources are very reluctant to report any negativity regarding side effects of the Covid vaccines.
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Post by patman post on Jan 11, 2023 19:05:00 GMT
No loss to the Tories. Among other "irregularities", he was found by a High Court judge to have lied under oath in relation to claims that he made in court about his family business, AB Produce; broke the MPs’ code of conduct by approaching ministers and officials for a company that had given him a donation, a visit to Ghana and offered him an advisory contract; sided with Jacob Rees-Mogg's view that Grenfell residents should have known the London Fire Brigade's advice to stay put was wrong.Five day's suspension seems inadequate... It was wrong... It was. But why should the victims be penalised because they didn’t know better than to accept the guidance of the emergency services…? |
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Post by Steve on Jan 11, 2023 19:08:14 GMT
Hmm. That's only if you think that comparing a vaccine to the holocaust is a valid "opposing point of view". I know we don't agree on much, but think we probably do here. And that's why he has been suspended from the party. (As for giving a fig, the party obviously considered it worthy of an investigation.) What were Bridgen's ACTUAL WORDS? I'll help you: On Tuesday, he tweeted: “ As one consultant cardiologist said to me, this is the biggest crime against humanity since the Holocaust”. So he wasn't just quoting this unnamed cardiologist, he was asserting it as being true - it isn't, very much isn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 19:12:48 GMT
... hot on the heels 👠of being suspended from parliament for lobbying, he's now been suspended from the Tory party for comparing vaccines to the holocaust. Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you Mr Andrew "Anyone from the UK can have an Irish passport" Bridgen. 🙄 What an idiot. www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-64236687Who gives a fuck? If it were a labour MP you would be singing it is good to have a party with MP's who have opposing views. If it were a Labour MP you'd be calling him a typical lefty antisemite and would be at the front of the lynch mob. Any MP saying something so obnoxious is indefensible. It is not ok just because he is a Tory as you seem to think. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 11, 2023 19:14:58 GMT
Because of the risk of people asking for compensation and upsetting powerful corporate interests. For most the virus was not much worse than normal flu and for some others the vaccine was worse than the virus. The lock-down should have ended after 3 months with just recommendations for vulnerable people like care homes yet for me the money interest prevailed. Now because of the recent history it has become a taboo subject. Spot on
It all boils down to money, power and corruption, the pharmaceutical Industry and vaccines are BIG Money.
Many powerful individuals/investors have money invested in these companies, hence the reason any negative reports shares can plummet.
It speaks volumes when main media sources are very reluctant to report any negativity regarding side effects of the Covid vaccines.
Perhaps there’s not enough evidence to suggest rumours of negative effects of Covid vaccines were valid. After the disastrous outcome following the media’s unresearched reports of autism caused by MMR vaccine, they’ve probably learned to be more careful. Meanwhile the perpetrator of the fraudulent reports coined it in through his connection to single dose vaccine providers. Currently, the news media probably remember that Bridgen’s allegations against another MP, cost The Times dearly in damages for reporting them without checking… |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 19:16:42 GMT
Hmm. That's only if you think that comparing a vaccine to the holocaust is a valid "opposing point of view".I know we don't agree on much, but think we probably do here. And that's why he has been suspended from the party. (As for giving a fig, the party obviously considered it worthy of an investigation.) I couldn’t care less what his views are. But I do worry about the lefties who try and make a meal of it. And as it has been pointed out to you those were NOT his actual words. Shouldn’t you be more worried about those in the dross you support who state that the holocaust never even happened and are under investigation for being anti semites? It is his own party who has suspended him and called his comments disgraceful. But as ever with you it is somehow all about how bad Labour is. This MP is a frigging Tory, you clown! |
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Post by borchester on Jan 11, 2023 19:24:39 GMT
It is his own party who has suspended him and called his comments disgraceful.is. So you feel that if he were a member of the Labour party the matter would have just been hushed up.
Sadly Steve, that is probably the case
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2023 19:30:15 GMT
Spot on
It all boils down to money, power and corruption, the pharmaceutical Industry and vaccines are BIG Money.
Many powerful individuals/investors have money invested in these companies, hence the reason any negative reports shares can plummet.
It speaks volumes when main media sources are very reluctant to report any negativity regarding side effects of the Covid vaccines.
Perhaps there’s not enough evidence to suggest rumours of negative effects of Covid vaccines were valid. After the disastrous outcome following the media’s unresearched reports of autism caused by MMR vaccine, they’ve probably learned to be more careful. Meanwhile the perpetrator of the fraudulent reports coined it in through his connection to single dose vaccine providers… Look I don't know what the evidence is, because it's suppressed from the public.
But ..
"Worldwide, cases of inflammation of the heart (called myocarditis or pericarditis) have been reported very rarely after COVID-19 vaccines. Most of these cases have been in younger men and usually a few days after the vaccination. Most of these people recovered and felt better following rest and simple treatments"
But..
Why can't we have a grown up debate about it?
Every time any one dares question side effects of Covid vaccine they are SHUT UP.
It makes people very suspicious that we can't have a honest open debate about, you are instantly classed as a 'nutter' or a 'vaccine denier'.
Why not let people make their own minds up, if there is nothing to hide let people express their fears and negative effects after the vaccine, people can then decide working on the pros and cons if they want it, we almost went down the route of compulsory vaccines... which would have been a disaster.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2023 19:46:06 GMT
It is his own party who has suspended him and called his comments disgraceful.is. So you feel that if he were a member of the Labour party the matter would have just been hushed up.
Sadly Steve, that is probably the case
I do not know how you infer that. If he were a Labour left winger he'd have been suspended pending expulsion for antisemitism. If he;d been a Blairite he'd simply have been suspended until the furore blew over. The Tories would have hushed this up if they could but it was already in the public domain. Labour would have had the same problem. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 11, 2023 19:56:52 GMT
Perhaps there’s not enough evidence to suggest rumours of negative effects of Covid vaccines were valid. After the disastrous outcome following the media’s unresearched reports of autism caused by MMR vaccine, they’ve probably learned to be more careful. Meanwhile the perpetrator of the fraudulent reports coined it in through his connection to single dose vaccine providers… Look I don't know what the evidence is, because it's suppressed from the public.
But ..
"Worldwide, cases of inflammation of the heart (called myocarditis or pericarditis) have been reported very rarely after COVID-19 vaccines. Most of these cases have been in younger men and usually a few days after the vaccination. Most of these people recovered and felt better following rest and simple treatments"
But..
Why can't we have a grown up debate about it?
Every time any one dares question side effects of Covid vaccine they are SHUT UP.
It makes people very suspicious that we can't have a honest open debate about, you are instantly classed as a 'nutter' or a 'vaccine denier'.
Why not let people make their own minds up, if there is nothing to hide let people express their fears and negative effects after the vaccine, people can then decide working on the pros and cons if they want it, we almost went down the route of compulsory vaccines... which would have been a disaster.
Who’s shutting who up? coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/All suspected adverse effects from Covid vaccines (and all medications) are reported here. And the news media has covered some of them. The problem for all those who revel in posting misinformation, and think it fun, all the benefits of vaccination seem to unbiased reviewers, to substantially outweigh drawbacks… |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 11, 2023 20:44:02 GMT
Perhaps there’s not enough evidence to suggest rumours of negative effects of Covid vaccines were valid. After the disastrous outcome following the media’s unresearched reports of autism caused by MMR vaccine, they’ve probably learned to be more careful. Meanwhile the perpetrator of the fraudulent reports coined it in through his connection to single dose vaccine providers… Look I don't know what the evidence is, because it's suppressed from the public.
But ..
"Worldwide, cases of inflammation of the heart (called myocarditis or pericarditis) have been reported very rarely after COVID-19 vaccines. Most of these cases have been in younger men and usually a few days after the vaccination. Most of these people recovered and felt better following rest and simple treatments"
But..
Why can't we have a grown up debate about it?
Every time any one dares question side effects of Covid vaccine they are SHUT UP.
It makes people very suspicious that we can't have a honest open debate about, you are instantly classed as a 'nutter' or a 'vaccine denier'.
Why not let people make their own minds up, if there is nothing to hide let people express their fears and negative effects after the vaccine, people can then decide working on the pros and cons if they want it, we almost went down the route of compulsory vaccines... which would have been a disaster.
The NHS keep chasing me to have a flu vaccine I had one about 4 years ago and my nose hasn't stopped running since that was fucking handy during the pandemic.... Now they are chasing me to have a frigging Pneumonia vaccine. As far as I am concerned they can shove their vaccines where the sun don't shine. Sometimes these vaccines are worse than the ailment they are supposedly guarding you from. Bloody hell during the pandemic some were saying that those who refused to have the vaccine should be penalised or even locked up FFS as tho they were lepers. Funny tho those who made the most noise over anti vaxers were the very same ones who support the dross we are now forced to take in along with all their germs and ailmets that come with them. |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Jan 11, 2023 20:44:14 GMT
Here's another statistical viewpoint:
There are 17,000 paramedic ambulance staff in England. With 50,000 excess deaths if all the excess deaths are caused by problems with the ambulance service that works out to around 6 excess deaths per year per pair of paramedics.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 11, 2023 20:50:12 GMT
Look I don't know what the evidence is, because it's suppressed from the public.
But ..
"Worldwide, cases of inflammation of the heart (called myocarditis or pericarditis) have been reported very rarely after COVID-19 vaccines. Most of these cases have been in younger men and usually a few days after the vaccination. Most of these people recovered and felt better following rest and simple treatments"
But..
Why can't we have a grown up debate about it?
Every time any one dares question side effects of Covid vaccine they are SHUT UP.
It makes people very suspicious that we can't have a honest open debate about, you are instantly classed as a 'nutter' or a 'vaccine denier'.
Why not let people make their own minds up, if there is nothing to hide let people express their fears and negative effects after the vaccine, people can then decide working on the pros and cons if they want it, we almost went down the route of compulsory vaccines... which would have been a disaster.
Who’s shutting who up?  coronavirus-yellowcard.mhra.gov.uk/All suspected adverse effects from Covid vaccines (and all medications) are reported here. And the news media has covered some of them. The problem for all those who revel in posting misinformation, and think it fun, all the benefits of vaccination seem to unbiased reviewers, to substantially outweigh drawbacks… Look who funds MHRA LOL
Enough said..
The MHRA is funded by the Department of Health and Social Care for the regulation of medical devices, whilst the costs of medicines regulation is met through fees from the pharmaceutical industry.[ This has led to suggestions by some MPs that the MHRA is too reliant on industry, and so not fully independent.
In 2017, the MHRA was awarded over ÂŁ980,000 by the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation to fund its work with the foundation and the World Health Organization on improving safety monitoring for new medicines in low and middle-income countries.
In response to a Freedom of Information request, in 2022 the MHRA stated that approximately ÂŁ3 million had been received from the Gates Foundation for a number of initiatives spanning several financial years.
LOL
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