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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 6, 2023 13:21:03 GMT
The fact that people are dying unnecessarily is wrong and clearly goes way beyond mere inconvenience. No strike should decide that people must die. Tell that to people waiting in ambulances and corridors and subsequently dying without the correct care in our hospitals. So what difference is it going to make giving a pay rise of 17.6%?
Do you think that will clear the corridors, do you think ambulances will arrive quicker if they are given a 17.6% pay rise?
Of course not..
If they get a 17.6% pay rise tomorrow the situation will be exactly the same, giving staff more money changes nothing, so stop making out the corridors are full of patients in beds, and ambulances are taking forever to turn up, but all that will change if they get their 17.6% pay rise ..... you do know how ridiculous that sounds.. dont you?
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 6, 2023 13:24:12 GMT
The fact that people are dying unnecessarily is wrong and clearly goes way beyond mere inconvenience. No strike should decide that people must die. Tell that to people waiting in ambulances and corridors and subsequently dying without the correct care in our hospitals.BTW if patients are "subsequently dying without the correct care in hospitals", that has nothing to do with pay rises, that's incompetents and medical negligence. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 15:09:28 GMT
Tell that to people waiting in ambulances and corridors and subsequently dying without the correct care in our hospitals. So what difference is it going to make giving a pay rise of 17.6%?
Do you think that will clear the corridors, do you think ambulances will arrive quicker if they are given a 17.6% pay rise?
Of course not..
If they get a 17.6% pay rise tomorrow the situation will be exactly the same, giving staff more money changes nothing, so stop making out the corridors are full of patients in beds, and ambulances are taking forever to turn up, but all that will change if they get their 17.6% pay rise ..... you do know how ridiculous that sounds.. dont you?
Given they would be on a decent 'wage' recruitment would be easier, Duh. My point is that the situation was dangerous before the strike but the Tories want to legislate to make strikes safer, but you knew that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 15:11:02 GMT
Im not awear that anyone has died during strikes.what I am awearoff people have died during waiting for a ambulance od in A&E the government needs to get a grip of the situation in the NHS what is the difference between not getting an ambulance because of the Government and not getting an ambulance because they are on strike? You cannot be serious. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 6, 2023 15:15:26 GMT
what is the difference between not getting an ambulance because of the Government and not getting an ambulance because they are on strike? You cannot be serious. Ask the patient . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 6, 2023 15:24:05 GMT
So what difference is it going to make giving a pay rise of 17.6%?
Do you think that will clear the corridors, do you think ambulances will arrive quicker if they are given a 17.6% pay rise?
Of course not..
If they get a 17.6% pay rise tomorrow the situation will be exactly the same, giving staff more money changes nothing, so stop making out the corridors are full of patients in beds, and ambulances are taking forever to turn up, but all that will change if they get their 17.6% pay rise ..... you do know how ridiculous that sounds.. dont you?
Given they would be on a decent 'wage' recruitment would be easier, Duh. My point is that the situation was dangerous before the strike but the Tories want to legislate to make strikes safer, but you knew that. Well in this day and age I'd say ...
"The Royal College of Nursing estimated in 2021 that the average annual salary of an NHS nurse is £33,384. The pay rise introduced across the NHS in 2022 means that average is probably now closer to £35,000. More broadly, we estimate that the average salary for a nurse is somewhere between £33,000 and £35,000".
... that's ^^ a pretty decent wage compared to some jobs Duh.
I made a error I thought it was 17.6% pay rise they were after, apparently it's 26% .... hang on while I Laugh Out Loud.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 6, 2023 15:54:01 GMT
what is the difference between not getting an ambulance because of the Government and not getting an ambulance because they are on strike? You cannot be serious. No I was being silly expecting a serious answer from you.. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 6, 2023 16:33:58 GMT
Tell that to people waiting in ambulances and corridors and subsequently dying without the correct care in our hospitals. So what difference is it going to make giving a pay rise of 17.6%?
Do you think that will clear the corridors, do you think ambulances will arrive quicker if they are given a 17.6% pay rise?
Of course not..
If they get a 17.6% pay rise tomorrow the situation will be exactly the same, giving staff more money changes nothing, so stop making out the corridors are full of patients in beds, and ambulances are taking forever to turn up, but all that will change if they get their 17.6% pay rise ..... you do know how ridiculous that sounds.. dont you?
What difference will it make? Well it might prevent essential staff from leaving which will, long term, alleviate these issues.
Many public sector workers have had a decade long pay freeze, which they have borne stoically, but now there's a cost of living crisis and they can no longer afford it.
This crisis didn't come out of nowhere: It's been building for 10 years. And it's all very well saying: "If they don't like it then they can leave" the problem is that too many already are - which is why these services are in the parlous state that they are in the first place.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 6, 2023 16:36:12 GMT
...what the Police have to look after their interest pay and conditions since then is the Police Federation... Which is why the police have been shafted time and again over the last 10-15 years. And now the government want to roll that same removal of rights out to other essential workers and that won't solve those problems, it will exacerbate them. |
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Post by Handyman on Jan 6, 2023 16:41:15 GMT
I agree that is why many are leaving the Police especially in London they cannot afford the price of renting or buying their own home no matter how much overtime they work, I did read recently that a significant number of newish recruits have resigned
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 6, 2023 16:45:15 GMT
Yep, and nurses, teachers etc.
Which is why I say that banning industrial action is just going to make the situation worse.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 6, 2023 16:48:04 GMT
So what difference is it going to make giving a pay rise of 17.6%?
Do you think that will clear the corridors, do you think ambulances will arrive quicker if they are given a 17.6% pay rise?
Of course not..
If they get a 17.6% pay rise tomorrow the situation will be exactly the same, giving staff more money changes nothing, so stop making out the corridors are full of patients in beds, and ambulances are taking forever to turn up, but all that will change if they get their 17.6% pay rise ..... you do know how ridiculous that sounds.. dont you?
What difference will it make? Well it might prevent essential staff from leaving which will, long term, alleviate these issues.
Many public sector workers have had a decade long pay freeze, which they have borne stoically, but now there's a cost of living crisis and they can no longer afford it.
This crisis didn't come out of nowhere: It's been building for 10 years. And it's all very well saying: "If they don't like it then they can leave" the problem is that too many already are - which is why these services are in the parlous state that they are in the first place.
What shortage?
My local hospital has a car park ram packed with staff cars, there is more staff cars than patients, I see no sign of a shortage of staff, in fact we could do with getting rid of a mass of deadwood, I bet no one can say when they visit their local hospital there is a shortage of staff, there might be a shortage of staff actually doing anything apart from yapping, it's a illusion there is a shortage of staff in hospitals.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 17:31:18 GMT
Tell that to people waiting in ambulances and corridors and subsequently dying without the correct care in our hospitals.BTW if patients are "subsequently dying without the correct care in hospitals", that has nothing to do with pay rises, that's incompetents and medical negligence. The hospitals are full and there are not enough doctors and nurses to carry out their duties to a safe level. Patients are in corridors because there are no beds available and they are kept in ambulances because A&Es are full. If you want to blame hospital staff for incompetence you should reassess you information. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 17:32:45 GMT
No I was being silly expecting a serious answer from you.. They are on strike to get better pay and conditions which will increase recruitment and retention, but you know that.😔 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 6, 2023 17:35:34 GMT
BTW if patients are "subsequently dying without the correct care in hospitals", that has nothing to do with pay rises, that's incompetents and medical negligence. The hospitals are full and there are not enough doctors and nurses to carry out their duties to a safe level. Patients are in corridors because there are no beds available and they are kept in ambulances because A&Es are full. If you want to blame hospital staff for incompetence you should reassess you information. Well mainly because care homes are palming them off in hospitals because they are short staffed.
Family members aren't prepared to take them in.
Most of the elderly bed blocking patients could leave, the problem is most of them have nowhere to go, so why is that the governments fault?
Maybe we should start blaming care homes, families who wont take responsibility for their elderly relatives, that is why people are waiting in corridors and ambulances don't turn up, hospitals have turned in to rest homes for the elderly.
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