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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 15:10:02 GMT
Remember the International Financial Meltdown that led to a decade of austerity in Europe?. The labour party financial crash was in 2008 , unemployment started rising under new labour in 2005......  |
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Post by see2 on Jan 7, 2023 15:11:19 GMT
Have you stopped thinking altogether? Remember the International Financial Meltdown that led to a decade of austerity in Europe?. And had a knock on affect into the wider world. You are being so ridiculous I'm thinking of starting an ignore move so that I don't even see your posts. What ? You want me to ignore new labour having unemployment sky high and fucking up the country so you can scream tory bad and invent myths of new labours inglorious time in power?
Too bad. We wont be.
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 15:12:07 GMT
Diversion. We were talking about the economy. How else does a government repair the damage done without affecting the economy. you attempting to repair the issues of the various nhs services by giving the uk even bigger issues in the nhs services by explosive PFI deals and sky high debts. Not to mention privatising the nhs during your time in power , forcing tuition fees on students , and much else...
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 15:13:44 GMT
What ? You want me to ignore new labour having unemployment sky high and fucking up the country so you can scream tory bad and invent myths of new labours inglorious time in power?
Too bad. We wont be.
You have the mentality of a ten year old, and that's on your best days. BYE 2. I think it sensible to pointout new labour had unemployment rising in 2005 long before the financial crash of thier making , and that unemployment was higher at the end of their reign than when they took power....Sorry if the truth hurts the cult , but there you are. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 7, 2023 15:17:53 GMT
Remember the International Financial Meltdown that led to a decade of austerity in Europe?. The labour party financial crash was in 2008 , unemployment started rising under new labour in 2005...... This is definitely the last time I respond to your shit. UNEMPLOYMENT IN 2008 WAS LESS THAN HALF IT WAS IN 1997 WHEN NL ENTERED OFFICE. You are just too biased to bother to look at the obvious for yourself. Well I have truly had enough of your immaturity. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 15:21:11 GMT
The labour party financial crash was in 2008 , unemployment started rising under new labour in 2005...... This is definitely the last time I respond to your shit. UNEMPLOYMENT IN 2008 WAS LESS THAN HALF IT WAS IN 1997 WHEN NL ENTERED OFFICE. You are just too biased to bother to look at the obvious for yourself. Well I have truly had enough of your immaturity. Is this like the time new labour tried to claim they had abolished tuition fees ? 
"My right hon. Friend is factually correct: every Labour Government have left office with unemployment higher than when they came to office."
David Cameron, Prime Minister's Questions, 2 April 2014
"No Labour government has ever left office with unemployment lower than when it started, despite the name of the party."
The Times (£), 7 April 2014
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 15:25:38 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 21:11:38 GMT
Thats what a debating forum is...the swapping of opinions and facts in the discussion of politics.
What you mean is as a new labour cult member , you dont want to hear any contrary opinions , and merely want the voting public to be a nodding sheep in your cult jerk circle.
Contrary opinions are not a problem unless someone repeatedly tries to push them down your throat. I object to contrived lies, based upon opinions, that don't belong in a debate. Such as I and every other joe who disagrees with you is an extremist? That kind of contrived lie that does not belong in a debate? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 7, 2023 21:26:26 GMT
Contrary opinions are not a problem unless someone repeatedly tries to push them down your throat. I object to contrived lies, based upon opinions, that don't belong in a debate. Such as I and every other joe who disagrees with you is an extremist? That kind of contrived lie that does not belong in a debate? Your post is a perfect example of a contrived LIE. |
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Post by vlk on Jan 7, 2023 21:55:34 GMT
I can see that the thread has slightly diverted from the original topic.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 22:06:46 GMT
NL housing policies were all about helping more people to buy like later Tory housing policies whilst doing little to increase supply and very little to build affordable homes to rent. And after 13 years in office, private landlords could still charge as much as they could get away with and evict tenants without just cause. A graduate tax would have been fairer than fees, but to be totally fair should have been applied to all those who'd enjoyed free tuition too - like Blair himself. Re detention without charge you are talking about something that had nothing to do with New Labour but the Heath government's policy of internment. I am talking about the NL legislation allowing suspects to be detained for 28 days without charge. Blair tried to make it 90 days but failed! Twice now I have presented facts re the Iraq War and it's illegality. Both times you have ignored it whilst insisting I am spouting a mere opinion. I am not going to present it to you a third time if you are going to ignore it and do the "la,la,la, I can't hear you", fingers in your ears routine. The banking collapse in this country in 2008 and the crash that resulted was made far worse by Brown's banking deregulation. And wasn't it obvious that NL was courting wealthy donors? Peter Mandelson was forever hobnobbing with them. And sucking up to Rupert Murdoch and his ilk is something New Labour was notorious for. The ATOS testing regime for the disabled which Labour legislated into existence and the Tories inherited and ran enthusiastically with was wilfully cruel, frequently resulting in obviously ill people, some of them at deaths door, others with terminal illnesses, being declared fit for work. Whilst the stress of the whole testing regime applied to the anxious and depressed drove some to suicide whilst actively worsening the condition of many others. Disgusting that Labour could be responsible for such a thing. If you cannot see that forcing CEOs to limit their pay to a ratio of what their workers are paid, must involve some de facto limits, ie capping, you are either being wilfully dishonest or a fool. 1. Remembering that NL had to rebuild the economy, the NHS, education funding and so on from 1997 and were hit by the international financial meltdown starting in 2007. They didn't let the low paid down in terms of housing. 2. Possibly, but both would have been frowned upon by the anti-NL brigade. 3. I see a benefit for holding suspects, if there is good reason to do so, for a longer period. A period that was not a sentence and could be ended at any time if evidence of innocence was shown. 4. You cannot provide evidence of the Iraq war being illegal, because it wasn't. And I have given you overwhelming evidence that it wasn't. Including the evidence that in 2003 a state of war with Iraq still existed. 5. It might have been made marginally worse by Brown answering the years of calls for less red tape and for more freedom for the banks. Which enitionaly seemed to work well, with the likes of Germany trying to buy the UK stock exchange. But that doesn't take away any responsibility from the Banks. I'm glad to see you have moved on from blaming Brown and NL for causing the meltdown. 6. Stick with what was NL aims for introducing ATOS. IIRC there was an area of claims being made by people who were clearly able to work. I remember a time when I damaged my back and had to wear a corset for a couple of months. I took a few weeks off work without pay and then returned to work even though still in pain and unable to walk without pain. I didn't even think about asking for state help. I suspect if more people were like myself there would have been no call for ATOS. 7. NO, no capping, just a raised level of fairness in the distribution of profits. Wages from top to bottom would be determined by the profitability of the company. The comment grew out of the claim that when there was a surge in profits CEOs were taking most of it for themselves. After a hard shift at work I lack the energy for your tripe this evening. Maybe tomorrow |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 6:17:31 GMT
NL housing policies were all about helping more people to buy like later Tory housing policies whilst doing little to increase supply and very little to build affordable homes to rent. And after 13 years in office, private landlords could still charge as much as they could get away with and evict tenants without just cause. A graduate tax would have been fairer than fees, but to be totally fair should have been applied to all those who'd enjoyed free tuition too - like Blair himself. Re detention without charge you are talking about something that had nothing to do with New Labour but the Heath government's policy of internment. I am talking about the NL legislation allowing suspects to be detained for 28 days without charge. Blair tried to make it 90 days but failed! Twice now I have presented facts re the Iraq War and it's illegality. Both times you have ignored it whilst insisting I am spouting a mere opinion. I am not going to present it to you a third time if you are going to ignore it and do the "la,la,la, I can't hear you", fingers in your ears routine. The banking collapse in this country in 2008 and the crash that resulted was made far worse by Brown's banking deregulation. And wasn't it obvious that NL was courting wealthy donors? Peter Mandelson was forever hobnobbing with them. And sucking up to Rupert Murdoch and his ilk is something New Labour was notorious for. The ATOS testing regime for the disabled which Labour legislated into existence and the Tories inherited and ran enthusiastically with was wilfully cruel, frequently resulting in obviously ill people, some of them at deaths door, others with terminal illnesses, being declared fit for work. Whilst the stress of the whole testing regime applied to the anxious and depressed drove some to suicide whilst actively worsening the condition of many others. Disgusting that Labour could be responsible for such a thing. If you cannot see that forcing CEOs to limit their pay to a ratio of what their workers are paid, must involve some de facto limits, ie capping, you are either being wilfully dishonest or a fool. 1. Remembering that NL had to rebuild the economy, the NHS, education funding and so on from 1997 and were hit by the international financial meltdown starting in 2007. They didn't let the low paid down in terms of housing. 2. Possibly, but both would have been frowned upon by the anti-NL brigade. 3. I see a benefit for holding suspects, if there is good reason to do so, for a longer period. A period that was not a sentence and could be ended at any time if evidence of innocence was shown. 4. You cannot provide evidence of the Iraq war being illegal, because it wasn't. And I have given you overwhelming evidence that it wasn't. Including the evidence that in 2003 a state of war with Iraq still existed. 5. It might have been made marginally worse by Brown answering the years of calls for less red tape and for more freedom for the banks. Which enitionaly seemed to work well, with the likes of Germany trying to buy the UK stock exchange. But that doesn't take away any responsibility from the Banks. I'm glad to see you have moved on from blaming Brown and NL for causing the meltdown. 6. Stick with what was NL aims for introducing ATOS. IIRC there was an area of claims being made by people who were clearly able to work. I remember a time when I damaged my back and had to wear a corset for a couple of months. I took a few weeks off work without pay and then returned to work even though still in pain and unable to walk without pain. I didn't even think about asking for state help. I suspect if more people were like myself there would have been no call for ATOS. 7. NO, no capping, just a raised level of fairness in the distribution of profits. Wages from top to bottom would be determined by the profitability of the company. The comment grew out of the claim that when there was a surge in profits CEOs were taking most of it for themselves. I have twice provided evidence that the Iraq War was illegal. Both times you completely ignored it before carrying on as if I hadn't presented any evidence - lying basically. If you are going to be such a dishonest debater I see no point in bothering. Were I to supply the evidence a third time what reason do I have to believe you would not ignore it again whilst pretending I hadn't presented any? And just to address one other point, you laughably claim that New Labour didn't let the low paid down in terms of housing. Really? When you built less social housing than the Tories? When you did nothing to restrain rip off rents or give private tenants security of tenure? When after 13 years in office landlords could still legally evict tenants without any valid reason? When house prices were more out of reach and rents more expensive at the end of your 13 years than at the beginning? Of course, as a former Tory voter I suppose I need to expect you to talk shite. Still, as a result of your efforts over many threads I am now even less likely to vote Labour than I was before. Well done. The Tories should put you on the payroll. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 15:28:27 GMT
state of war with Iraq still existed. I have twice provided evidence that the Iraq War was illegal. Both times you completely ignored it before carrying on as if I hadn't presented any evidence - lying basically. If you are going to be such a dishonest debater I see no point in bothering. Were I to supply the evidence a third time what reason do I have to believe you would not ignore it again whilst pretending I hadn't presented any? And just to address one other point, you laughably claim that New Labour didn't let the low paid down in terms of housing. Really? When you built less social housing than the Tories? When you did nothing to restrain rip off rents or give private tenants security of tenure? When after 13 years in office landlords could still legally evict tenants without any valid reason? When house prices were more out of reach and rents more expensive at the end of your 13 years than at the beginning? The Tories did build slightly more houses post Meltdown as the country climbed out of the economic crisis. BUT they did not have to rebuild the NHS or the educational system both of which are extremely important to the lower paid and to the working people in general. You have made one major mistake over Iraq and ignored the circumstances NL had to face during their period in office. So I am clearly not disposed to take notice of the part of your post I've highlighted, without any evidence. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 15:40:13 GMT
I can see that the thread has slightly diverted from the original topic. Err what was the thread about hmm, oh yes, that gender thing. Human sexuality is an amazing issue. I once saw a male dog on the back of a slightly smaller male dog as if it was having sex with it. I was surprised to see the dog that was attacked slink away with its jaw not far off the ground clearly distressed by the event. It seems it's not only humans that need some gender attention. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 18:57:32 GMT
I have twice provided evidence that the Iraq War was illegal. Both times you completely ignored it before carrying on as if I hadn't presented any evidence - lying basically. If you are going to be such a dishonest debater I see no point in bothering. Were I to supply the evidence a third time what reason do I have to believe you would not ignore it again whilst pretending I hadn't presented any? And just to address one other point, you laughably claim that New Labour didn't let the low paid down in terms of housing. Really? When you built less social housing than the Tories? When you did nothing to restrain rip off rents or give private tenants security of tenure? When after 13 years in office landlords could still legally evict tenants without any valid reason? When house prices were more out of reach and rents more expensive at the end of your 13 years than at the beginning? The Tories did build slightly more houses post Meltdown as the country climbed out of the economic crisis. BUT they did not have to rebuild the NHS or the educational system both of which are extremely important to the lower paid and to the working people in general. You have made one major mistake over Iraq and ignored the circumstances NL had to face during their period in office. So I am clearly not disposed to take notice of the part of your post I've highlighted, without any evidence. I have provided it twice so far. You ignored it both times and pretended I havent presented any. That is both fundamentally stupid and fundamentally dishonest. And I have reached the stage where I inwardly groan whenever I get a notification from you. So going forwards I am likely to adopt a policy of responding to something when I feel like it or otherwise ignoring you. Plenty of others seem to do an adequate job of responding to your shite. I might just settle for liking their contributions when they do so. You are so repetitive and boring that responding to you is increasingly resembling a chore rather than a pleasure. Since I post on forums such as this for pleasure, you sucking the enthusiasm out of me defeats the object of me being here |
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