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Post by Deleted on Jan 6, 2023 19:43:32 GMT
Funny enough nobody but you gives a flying fuck about yours. Oh Jonksy, you do have a way with words. Now be a good little boy, run along and stfu. You and I agree on very little but we might just agree that Jonksy is a twat, lol |
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Post by seniorcitizen007 on Jan 6, 2023 21:17:31 GMT
I recently met someone I'd not seen for over 30 years. When I last saw him he was a young boy. Now he is a "woman" ... with a deeper voice than most men. His facial expressions and mannerisms were that of a dominant male. He was with his mother ... who seemed quite content with her "freaky" offspring. When I last saw him he was a timid boy being repeatedly bullied by his older brother ... with the apparent approval of his parents.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 6, 2023 22:20:31 GMT
She referred to CEOs If you are claiming that it only referred to Public Sector CEOs then please prove your claim, I am always willing to learn. I distinctly remember the policy being touted for the public sector, but even that didn't happen. Faced with a choice between that unlikely prospect on the one hand and on the other the abolition of tuition fees, a better deal for tenants, more social housing construction, an end to zero hours type contracts, you chose the former. How totally fucking unambitious for the country. How small minded and gullible. With people like you supporting Starmer, my decision not to vote Labour is simply reinforced. Unlike you though, I will never vote Tory. Because unlike you I am not a fellow traveller of theirs Apart from being gullible I'm struggling to imagine how it would have been practicable?. Private sector pay is notoriously difficult for a government to manage - as we have seen with the fiasco over bankers bonuses. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 6, 2023 23:57:27 GMT
If you seriously believe Tory Theresa May had the slightest intention of capping CEO pay in the private sector you are an even more gullible fool than I thought. I distinctly remember the policy being touted for the public sector, but even that didn't happen. Faced with a choice between that unlikely prospect on the one hand and on the other the abolition of tuition fees, a better deal for tenants, more social housing construction, an end to zero hours type contracts, you chose the former. How totally fucking unambitious for the country. How small minded and gullible. With people like you supporting Starmer, my decision not to vote Labour is simply reinforced. Unlike you though, I will never vote Tory. Because unlike you I am not a fellow traveller of theirs Apart from being gullible I'm struggling to imagine how it would have been practicable?. Private sector pay is notoriously difficult for a government to manage - as we have seen with the fiasco over bankers bonuses. That's probably why you never became a prominent politician. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 6:55:18 GMT
If you seriously believe Tory Theresa May had the slightest intention of capping CEO pay in the private sector you are an even more gullible fool than I thought. I distinctly remember the policy being touted for the public sector, but even that didn't happen. Faced with a choice between that unlikely prospect on the one hand and on the other the abolition of tuition fees, a better deal for tenants, more social housing construction, an end to zero hours type contracts, you chose the former. How totally fucking unambitious for the country. How small minded and gullible. With people like you supporting Starmer, my decision not to vote Labour is simply reinforced. Unlike you though, I will never vote Tory. Because unlike you I am not a fellow traveller of theirs Apart from being gullible I'm struggling to imagine how it would have been practicable?. Private sector pay is notoriously difficult for a government to manage - as we have seen with the fiasco over bankers bonuses. I agree that the practicalities of doing such a thing would have been a total minefield, with unintended consequences scattered all over the place. But practicalities aside, it would just have been so totally an un-Tory thing to do that how any politically knowledgeable person could be capable of believing they would ever do such a thing escapes me. I just think it is a feeble attempt to justify voting Tory whilst claiming to be a Blairite, thereby serving to display what we on the genuine left have always known. Blairites and Tories are interchangeable and Blairites instinctively prefer a Tory government to any genuinely leftish one. I also suspect with near certainty, that had Corbyn's Labour proposed such a policy, far from voting for it he would have been deriding it as yet another example of extremist leftism. Lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 6:57:01 GMT
Apart from being gullible I'm struggling to imagine how it would have been practicable?. Private sector pay is notoriously difficult for a government to manage - as we have seen with the fiasco over bankers bonuses. That's probably why you never became a prominent politician. I don't see you entering parliament any time soon either. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 7, 2023 7:25:55 GMT
Apart from being gullible I'm struggling to imagine how it would have been practicable?. Private sector pay is notoriously difficult for a government to manage - as we have seen with the fiasco over bankers bonuses. That's probably why you never became a prominent politician. I shunned the opportunity, why would any sensible person want to enter that infested chamber? I remember when a couple of local councillors tried to embarrass me into standing because I was critical of the council, I told them it may mean sitting next to them.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 7, 2023 7:56:14 GMT
Apart from being gullible I'm struggling to imagine how it would have been practicable?. Private sector pay is notoriously difficult for a government to manage - as we have seen with the fiasco over bankers bonuses. That's probably why you never became a prominent politician. No - the reason I never became a prominent politician is that I know you cannot grow a Cervix.. It's a big failing of mine..   |
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Post by see2 on Jan 7, 2023 8:06:53 GMT
Apart from being gullible I'm struggling to imagine how it would have been practicable?. Private sector pay is notoriously difficult for a government to manage - as we have seen with the fiasco over bankers bonuses. I agree that the practicalities of doing such a thing would have been a total minefield, with unintended consequences scattered all over the place. But practicalities aside, it would just have been so totally an un-Tory thing to do that how any politically knowledgeable person could be capable of believing they would ever do such a thing escapes me. I just think it is a feeble attempt to justify voting Tory whilst claiming to be a Blairite, thereby serving to display what we on the genuine left have always known. Blairites and Tories are interchangeable and Blairites instinctively prefer a Tory government to any genuinely leftish one. I also suspect with near certainty, that had Corbyn's Labour proposed such a policy, far from voting for it he would have been deriding it as yet another example of extremist leftism. Lol Would that be half gullible? i.e. doable in the public sector but not in the private sector LOL All this not doable in the private sector MIGHT be right, but at the moment it is pure speculation. I call living in the land of 'Lady Bountiful' and 'Pollyanna' being extreme with a REAL likelihood of unintended consequences, not that all of Corbyn's dream world was wrong, that's the difference between the less moderate and myself, I am able to look at the full picture. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 7, 2023 8:12:55 GMT
That's probably why you never became a prominent politician. No - the reason I never became a prominent politician is that I know you cannot grow a Cervix.. It's a big failing of mine.. So, when/if you prove Lammy understands it wrongly, what then? What has that to do with anything? , what then? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 7, 2023 8:16:26 GMT
No - the reason I never became a prominent politician is that I know you cannot grow a Cervix.. It's a big failing of mine.. So, when/if you prove Lammy understands it wrongly, what then? What has that to do with anything? , what then? You asked why I hadn't become a prominent politician and I told you.. If you didnt want to know why ask? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 7, 2023 8:26:06 GMT
So, when/if you prove Lammy understands it wrongly, what then? What has that to do with anything? , what then? You asked why I hadn't become a prominent politician and I told you.. If you didnt want to know why ask? I didn't ask, I made a comment on CEOs and their ability to help themselves to whatever money is in the till. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 8:33:12 GMT
I recently met someone I'd not seen for over 30 years. When I last saw him he was a young boy. Now he is a "woman" ... with a deeper voice than most men. His facial expressions and mannerisms were that of a dominant male. He was with his mother ... who seemed quite content with her "freaky" offspring. When I last saw him he was a timid boy being repeatedly bullied by his older brother ... with the apparent approval of his parents. I don't see what the big deal is. If someone thinks they want to change from a male into a female - or vice versa - why should it concern anyone else but them? Why should you or I be bothered about it? How are they harming us? I am instinctively against judgementalism in regards what anyone else chooses to do with their life as long as they are hurting no one. Live and let live. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2023 8:46:16 GMT
I agree that the practicalities of doing such a thing would have been a total minefield, with unintended consequences scattered all over the place. But practicalities aside, it would just have been so totally an un-Tory thing to do that how any politically knowledgeable person could be capable of believing they would ever do such a thing escapes me. I just think it is a feeble attempt to justify voting Tory whilst claiming to be a Blairite, thereby serving to display what we on the genuine left have always known. Blairites and Tories are interchangeable and Blairites instinctively prefer a Tory government to any genuinely leftish one. I also suspect with near certainty, that had Corbyn's Labour proposed such a policy, far from voting for it he would have been deriding it as yet another example of extremist leftism. Lol Would that be half gullible? i.e. doable in the public sector but not in the private sector LOL All this not doable in the private sector MIGHT be right, but at the moment it is pure speculation. I call living in the land of 'Lady Bountiful' and 'Pollyanna' being extreme with a REAL likelihood of unintended consequences, not that all of Corbyn's dream world was wrong, that's the difference between the less moderate and myself, I am able to look at the full picture. You are hardly the epitome of moderation. And I in fact know that good things were done in the Blair/ Brown years too. We have no argument about that which is why it is not being discussed. But if it is so important to you that you want examples, there is the introduction of the minimum wage and the working time directive, an extra weeks guaranteed paid holiday, the Good Friday agreement, the minimum income guarantee for pensioners, working tax credits, devolution for Scotland and Wales, removal of most of the hereditaries from the Lords, and so on. Not all those policies were perfect. For example, the minimum wage was unambitiously low, and increased by only very modest amounts so it stayed low. Incredibly the Tories did much more to raise it's value than Labour did. But all such policies were a major step in the right direction. None of which excuses the continuation of Tory housing policies, tuition fees, detention without charge, the Iraq War, more thatcherite deregulation with ultimately disastrous results, sucking up to the rich and powerful, legislating the ATOS disability testing regime into place, and so on. The good does not justify the bad and there is too much of the bad for me to have supported it. I also think that CEO pay caps in the public sector were potentially problematical too, but it is what the Tories were primarily talking about. Far easier just to increase higher rate taxes and redistribute that way. But none of this CEO pay capping malarkey actually happened did it? Which proves my point that if that really was the genuine reason for you voting Tory, they must have seen you coming. Lol |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 7, 2023 9:08:17 GMT
That's probably why you never became a prominent politician. No - the reason I never became a prominent politician is that I know you cannot grow a Cervix.. It's a big failing of mine.. You obviously did something wrong. |
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