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Post by see2 on Jan 25, 2023 12:33:47 GMT
Its a pity you only ever appear to see one side of the NHS problem. How about some positive improvements that will strengthen the NHS ? Because we only ever hear about 'one side' of the NHS, how badly it's performing.
It would go against the leftie agenda if anything positive was printed about the NHS, which is a shame because the parts that are working are working well. The dedicated staff who go beyond the call of duty to help patients are lost in the agenda to trash the NHS.
The hospital my OH attends they bend over backwards to help patients, a lot of the staff are foreign, and nothing is too much for them, they are caring polite, and go out of their way to help, the unsung hero's who go unnoticed thanks the Lefties playing politics with our wonderful NHS.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 25, 2023 12:39:27 GMT
Because we only ever hear about 'one side' of the NHS, how badly it's performing.
It would go against the leftie agenda if anything positive was printed about the NHS, which is a shame because the parts that are working are working well. The dedicated staff who go beyond the call of duty to help patients are lost in the agenda to trash the NHS.
The hospital my OH attends they bend over backwards to help patients, a lot of the staff are foreign, and nothing is too much for them, they are caring polite, and go out of their way to help, the unsung hero's who go unnoticed thanks the Lefties playing politics with our wonderful NHS.
Pacifico has the ability to look beyond the media face of the NHS. yeah, but do you? |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 25, 2023 12:41:37 GMT
Because we only ever hear about 'one side' of the NHS, how badly it's performing.
It would go against the leftie agenda if anything positive was printed about the NHS, which is a shame because the parts that are working are working well. The dedicated staff who go beyond the call of duty to help patients are lost in the agenda to trash the NHS.
The hospital my OH attends they bend over backwards to help patients, a lot of the staff are foreign, and nothing is too much for them, they are caring polite, and go out of their way to help, the unsung hero's who go unnoticed thanks the Lefties playing politics with our wonderful NHS.
Pacifico has the ability to look beyond the media face of the NHS. Youdon't need to take note of the media if you are sitting there waiting for someone to get off their arse. On 22 December I was diagnosed and told I would have to be tested. Three weeks later on enquiring about the tests (they're done at the GP surgery) I was told "You are on the list"; two weeks later and I'm still on the list. As far as I'm aware I need the test in order to provide the correct treatment. Tip::::: die rather than rely on the NHS. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 25, 2023 12:46:58 GMT
Pacifico has the ability to look beyond the media face of the NHS. yeah, but do you? That is a deviation from the question I put to Pacifico. I am in full agreement with the well founded idea that the NHS is in dire need of being sorted out. Which is partly why I put the question to Pacifico. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 25, 2023 12:49:14 GMT
Pacifico has the ability to look beyond the media face of the NHS. Youdon't need to take note of the media if you are sitting there waiting for someone to get off their arse. On 22 December I was diagnosed and told I would have to be tested. Three weeks later on enquiring about the tests (they're done at the GP surgery) I was told "You are on the list"; two weeks later and I'm still on the list. As far as I'm aware I need the test in order to provide the correct treatment. Tip::::: die rather than rely on the NHS. GPs are different ball game, they aren't actually employed by the NHS.
"Most GPs think of themselves as being part of the NHS, but officially they are classed as independent contractors"
GPs are giving the NHS a bad name, and they are happy to do so.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 25, 2023 13:22:16 GMT
Youdon't need to take note of the media if you are sitting there waiting for someone to get off their arse. On 22 December I was diagnosed and told I would have to be tested. Three weeks later on enquiring about the tests (they're done at the GP surgery) I was told "You are on the list"; two weeks later and I'm still on the list. As far as I'm aware I need the test in order to provide the correct treatment. Tip::::: die rather than rely on the NHS. GPs are another ball game, they aren't actually employed by the NHS.
"Most GPs think of themselves as being part of the NHS, but officially they are classed as independent contractors"
GPs are giving the NHS a bad name, and they are happy to do so.
My GP is in crises. They lost two good doctors four or five years ago, one with some ailment the other one died; both were in their forties. The one who died fell ill the day he returned from holiday. He was admitted to hospital and released within 24hrs; he died later that day. The practice has never really recovered from those tragedies and is left with some doctors not up to the task IMO. They have two or three good senior nurses who take on certain tasks like patient medical reviews but they also have to call in locums on a regular basis. One of the problems is it's hard to recruit medical staff in rural areas and people like senior nurses have come from hospitals. My experiences ar I'd rather a senior nurse than a doctor other tan in certain cases, they spend time and listen carefully. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 25, 2023 13:29:21 GMT
GPs are another ball game, they aren't actually employed by the NHS.
"Most GPs think of themselves as being part of the NHS, but officially they are classed as independent contractors"
GPs are giving the NHS a bad name, and they are happy to do so.
My GP is in crises. They lost two good doctors four or five years ago, one with some ailment the other one died; both were in their forties. The one who died fell ill the day he returned from holiday. He was admitted to hospital and released within 24hrs; he died later that day. The practice has never really recovered from those tragedies and is left with some doctors not up to the task IMO. They have two or three good senior nurses who take on certain tasks like patient medical reviews but they also have to call in locums on a regular basis. One of the problems is it's hard to recruit medical staff in rural areas and people like senior nurses have come from hospitals. My experiences ar I'd rather a senior nurse than a doctor other tan in certain cases, they spend time and listen carefully. Agree, that is a sad set of circumstances, and to be fair it's not all GP practices that aren't performing, not even sure what the answer is to be honest.
I think we need to go back to the drawing board, see where it's going wrong and try to fix it, chucking money at it all the time is not the answer, it's just a bottomless pit, something has to be done, we can't carry on like this.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 25, 2023 17:41:39 GMT
Hmm - the NHS has more money than at any time in its history and more managers than at any time in its history but cannot come up with a work rota for cleaners.. Its a pity you only ever appear to see one side of the NHS problem. How about some positive improvements that will strengthen the NHS ? I have lived through umpteen different Government's from all sides of the political spectrum carrying out umpteen NHS reorganisations and nothing has improved the service. Just admit the basic model is flawed and move on from there. Then you have 2 options - change the model (which is never going to happen) or just live with a substandard service (which is what we have been doing for the past 70 years) - so nothing is going to chnage. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 25, 2023 17:47:40 GMT
Its a pity you only ever appear to see one side of the NHS problem. How about some positive improvements that will strengthen the NHS ? I have lived through umpteen different Government's from all sides of the political spectrum carrying out umpteen NHS reorganisations and nothing has improved the service. Just admit the basic model is flawed and move on from there. Then you have 2 options - change the model (which is never going to happen) or just live with a substandard service (which is what we have been doing for the past 70 years) - so nothing is going to chnage. With regard to government incompetence nothing has changed in the past seventy years. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 25, 2023 18:21:39 GMT
ratcliff said So , other that posting a lobby group's graph about waiting times, you cannot evidence in any way your so called ''improvements'' that you claim were made to the NHS under Labour. Therefore what you now claim to ''remember'' is merely your biased unproven opinions on the NHS in that period. Hilarious --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read, interesting information. __"Public consultation on the NHS Plan found that the top concern among the general public regarding the health service was waiting times, although this was not the main concern of NHS staff (see Alignment below). As a result, reducing waiting times became a central objective for the government. Targets were set to reduce waiting times for both primary and hospital care for outpatients and inpatients. By 2004, the aim was that patients would see a primary care professional within 24 hours and a GP within 48 hours.[2] Maximum waiting times for Accident and Emergency (A&E) were set at 4 hours, with an average waiting time of 75 minutes expected.[2] By 2005, outpatient waiting times were to be reduced from 6 months to 3; maximum waiting times for inpatients were to be reduced from 18 months to 6. By 2008, the target was for all treatments to take place within a maximum waiting time of 3 months, and this period was called the referral-to-treatment (RTT)"__ Read on for further information. www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/nhs-plan-reducing-waiting-times-providing-high-quality-patient-care-uk#:~:text=By%20the%20end%20of%202009%2C%20the%20average%20waiting,percent%20of%20outpatients%20started%20treatment%20within%2018%20weeks. Interesting You claim that the ''public'' (What public consultation? No-one asked me) are interested in waiting times as the no 1 concern, They aren't interested in being made better ? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 25, 2023 19:07:02 GMT
Its a pity you only ever appear to see one side of the NHS problem. How about some positive improvements that will strengthen the NHS ? I have lived through umpteen different Government's from all sides of the political spectrum carrying out umpteen NHS reorganisations and nothing has improved the service. Just admit the basic model is flawed and move on from there. Then you have 2 options - change the model (which is never going to happen) or just live with a substandard service (which is what we have been doing for the past 70 years) - so nothing is going to chnage. So you have no options for improving the NHS, in which case stop whining. I think Blair was onto a big improvement, a winner in fact, with his idea that the Private sector SHOULD BE USED TO HELP OUT IN SPECIALISED OPERATIONS, HIRED BY, USED BY AND PAID FOR by BY THE NHS. I hope Starmer picks up on this idea if he gets elected. And those idiots who claim that such would be privatisation of the NHS just get rapidly fucked off. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 25, 2023 19:12:01 GMT
ratcliff said So , other that posting a lobby group's graph about waiting times, you cannot evidence in any way your so called ''improvements'' that you claim were made to the NHS under Labour. Therefore what you now claim to ''remember'' is merely your biased unproven opinions on the NHS in that period. Hilarious --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Read, interesting information. __"Public consultation on the NHS Plan found that the top concern among the general public regarding the health service was waiting times, although this was not the main concern of NHS staff (see Alignment below). As a result, reducing waiting times became a central objective for the government. Targets were set to reduce waiting times for both primary and hospital care for outpatients and inpatients. By 2004, the aim was that patients would see a primary care professional within 24 hours and a GP within 48 hours.[2] Maximum waiting times for Accident and Emergency (A&E) were set at 4 hours, with an average waiting time of 75 minutes expected.[2] By 2005, outpatient waiting times were to be reduced from 6 months to 3; maximum waiting times for inpatients were to be reduced from 18 months to 6. By 2008, the target was for all treatments to take place within a maximum waiting time of 3 months, and this period was called the referral-to-treatment (RTT)"__ Read on for further information. www.centreforpublicimpact.org/case-study/nhs-plan-reducing-waiting-times-providing-high-quality-patient-care-uk#:~:text=By%20the%20end%20of%202009%2C%20the%20average%20waiting,percent%20of%20outpatients%20started%20treatment%20within%2018%20weeks. Interesting You claim that the ''public'' (What public consultation? No-one asked me) are interested in waiting times as the no 1 concern, They aren't interested in being made better ? I don't think so, I just posted some information. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 25, 2023 19:19:37 GMT
Hmm - the NHS has more money than at any time in its history and more managers than at any time in its history but cannot come up with a work rota for cleaners.. you're sick |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 25, 2023 19:41:51 GMT
Hmm - the NHS has more money than at any time in its history and more managers than at any time in its history but cannot come up with a work rota for cleaners.. you're sick Pity he can't rely on the NHS to make him better.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 25, 2023 19:57:11 GMT
Yes of course the NHS has more money than at any time in history ... what do you expect ?
For a start off the population when the Tories came to power was 63 Million, today its almost 68 Million
Then there s accumulative inflation
The NHS would be in very, very serious trouble if there were not more money been spent on our NHS, but does it actually have more managers. ?
Quote ( from the NHS Confederation ) ... "In the first in the series, Prof. Ian Kirkpatrick and Prof. Becky Malby examine the question of whether the NHS is overmanaged. NHS managers make up circa 2 per cent of the workforce compared to 9.5 cent of the UK workforce. In recent years the number of managers has been cut, at a time when the NHS is facing its biggest challenge"
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