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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 0:04:50 GMT
Look at what happened in 2007 when everything went tits up. There was a world recession in 2000 when the dot com boom went bust, but we were ok. Reason being, we were in surplus at the time. Our debts were falling and had been since 1996. They started rising again in 2001. Had he stuck to the Ken Clarke plan, national debt would have kept falling. www.economicshelp.org/blog/7568/debt/government-debt-under-labour-1997-2010/Public Sector debt was lower between 1998 and 2008 than when NL entered office in 1997. The huge increase in borrowing after 2008 was down to ensuring the the meltdown recession didn't turn into a depression. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2023 3:46:56 GMT
@jonsky What you find is, Labour is always New Labour. What that means is, they erase their past because that was "out with the old", but, they claim the Conservatives are always the same. You are not allowed to do with the Conservatives as you can with Labour, that's a no no. So in debates, listen to the Labourite rhetoric and I guarantee it, you will hear, "New Labour" and "Thatcher". Everytime. What type of frigging warpd mind is it that thinks pulling down a staue or changing a street name will erase history? Exactly mate new labour same old bunch of commies they have always been. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 7:43:40 GMT
@jonsky What you find is, Labour is always New Labour. What that means is, they erase their past because that was "out with the old", but, they claim the Conservatives are always the same. You are not allowed to do with the Conservatives as you can with Labour, that's a no no. So in debates, listen to the Labourite rhetoric and I guarantee it, you will hear, "New Labour" and "Thatcher". Everytime. What type of frigging warpd mind is it that thinks pulling down a staue or changing a street name will erase history? Exactly mate new labour same old bunch of commies they have always been. Yours apparently. Seeing as those who wanted the statues taken down were not trying to erase history, but the cease celebrating slavers. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 7:59:29 GMT
The post war conservative governments went cap in hand to the IMF at least twice, and the Conservative government that left the mess in 1974 had started to make plans for another visit, a visit that Labour had to fulfil. Most of that money borrowed from the IMF had been repaid by Labour before Thatcher was elected. Oh yes I remember the cap on wage rises to achieve that. Though the wage caps weren't legalised, it was well-known they would have been had there been enopugh wage increase demands. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 8:09:05 GMT
What type of frigging warpd mind is it that thinks pulling down a staue or changing a street name will erase history? Exactly mate new labour same old bunch of commies they have always been. Yours apparently. Seeing as those who wanted the statues taken down were not trying to erase history, but the cease celebrating slavers. You sure they weren't celebrating the good those people did? You sure they weren't being pulled down by cranks and our wonderful modern youth? Any idea why roads were named after Mandela even at the time he was in prison for terrorism or statues erected in his honour? Get a perspective ffs. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 8:18:55 GMT
@jonsky What you find is, Labour is always New Labour. What that means is, they erase their past because that was "out with the old", but, they claim the Conservatives are always the same. You are not allowed to do with the Conservatives as you can with Labour, that's a no no. So in debates, listen to the Labourite rhetoric and I guarantee it, you will hear, "New Labour" and "Thatcher". Everytime. John Major cleaned up some of the mess left by Thatcher showing a different, a new approach to Thatcher's, So that was 'out with the old' and in with the new by the Tories. NL had to clean up the rest of the problems / damage done by Thatcher. So why wouldn't the two be linked together ? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 22, 2023 8:22:08 GMT
The post war conservative governments went cap in hand to the IMF at least twice, and the Conservative government that left the mess in 1974 had started to make plans for another visit, a visit that Labour had to fulfil. Most of that money borrowed from the IMF had been repaid by Labour before Thatcher was elected. Oh yes I remember the cap on wage rises to achieve that. Though the wage caps weren't legalised, it was well-known they would have been had there been enopugh wage increase demands. The cap on wage rises despite high inflation, that trouble makers and rabble rousers on the shop floor wouldn't accept? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2023 8:30:41 GMT
What type of frigging warpd mind is it that thinks pulling down a staue or changing a street name will erase history? Exactly mate new labour same old bunch of commies they have always been. Yours apparently. Seeing as those who wanted the statues taken down were not trying to erase history, but the cease celebrating slavers. Who is celebrating it FFS they are just tributes to great men/women who built this country and had far more to offer than the leftie woke arseholes who are trying to erase their past. I see you usual lefties never mention or pay tribute to the thousands of RN sailors that were lost in trying to end slavery or ever denigrate the fucking African cheifs who were rounding up their own people to be sold off as slaves? Care to explain that anomaly? Or is the truth too much for you to comprehend? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 9:47:32 GMT
Yours apparently. Seeing as those who wanted the statues taken down were not trying to erase history, but the cease celebrating slavers. You sure they weren't celebrating the good those people did? You sure they weren't being pulled down by cranks and our wonderful modern youth? Any idea why roads were named after Mandela even at the time he was in prison for terrorism or statues erected in his honour? Get a perspective ffs. Yes when they were erected slavery was not considered a bad thing. But times changed. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 9:55:27 GMT
Yours apparently. Seeing as those who wanted the statues taken down were not trying to erase history, but the cease celebrating slavers. Who is celebrating it FFS they are just tributes to great men/women who built this country and had far more to offer than the leftie woke arseholes who are trying to erase their past. I see you usual lefties never mention or pay tribute to the thousands of RN sailors that were lost in trying to end slavery or ever denigrate the fucking African cheifs who were rounding up their own people to be sold off as slaves? Care to explain that anomaly? Or is the truth too much for you to comprehend? Your language is becoming to fruity again, calm yourself. By all means raise a statue to someone who fought slavery and see if lefties object to it. If there was a statue to an African slave seller I'm sure it would be disapproved of by 'us lefties' but there isn't. This is a stupid argument regularly used by you righties. That lefties are not allowed to say they care about one thing without listing every other thing they might care about. So do you give equally to every single charity or choose which ones you support? |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 22, 2023 12:19:30 GMT
Who is celebrating it FFS they are just tributes to great men/women who built this country and had far more to offer than the leftie woke arseholes who are trying to erase their past. I see you usual lefties never mention or pay tribute to the thousands of RN sailors that were lost in trying to end slavery or ever denigrate the fucking African cheifs who were rounding up their own people to be sold off as slaves? Care to explain that anomaly? Or is the truth too much for you to comprehend? Your language is becoming to fruity again, calm yourself. By all means raise a statue to someone who fought slavery and see if lefties object to it. If there was a statue to an African slave seller I'm sure it would be disapproved of by 'us lefties' but there isn't. This is a stupid argument regularly used by you righties. That lefties are not allowed to say they care about one thing without listing every other thing they might care about. So do you give equally to every single charity or choose which ones you support? I couldn’t be calmer. And my argument is far from stupid, Where’s your praise for all those RN sailors lost who fought against slavery? Usual faux concerns by the loony woke left. Who have their heads up their arse or the other arses of others so they cannot see the light of day. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 12:58:45 GMT
Your language is becoming to fruity again, calm yourself. By all means raise a statue to someone who fought slavery and see if lefties object to it. If there was a statue to an African slave seller I'm sure it would be disapproved of by 'us lefties' but there isn't. This is a stupid argument regularly used by you righties. That lefties are not allowed to say they care about one thing without listing every other thing they might care about. So do you give equally to every single charity or choose which ones you support? I couldn’t be calmer. And my argument is far from stupid, Where’s your praise for all those RN sailors lost who fought against slavery? Usual faux concerns by the loony woke left. Who have their heads up their arse or the other arses of others so they cannot see the light of day. Well if you call people loony left arseholes when you are calm I will politely disengage conversation with you. Feel free to vent into the breeze. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 12:58:59 GMT
You sure they weren't celebrating the good those people did? You sure they weren't being pulled down by cranks and our wonderful modern youth? Any idea why roads were named after Mandela even at the time he was in prison for terrorism or statues erected in his honour? Get a perspective ffs. Yes when they were erected slavery was not considered a bad thing. But times changed. Slavery was legal and to a large extent legalised by the African chiefs who sold their young for a few beads and pieces of broken mirrors; perhaps your type should track down the descendents of those chiefs. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 22, 2023 13:01:38 GMT
Yes when they were erected slavery was not considered a bad thing. But times changed. Slavery was legal and to a large extent legalised by the African chiefs who sold their young for a few beads and pieces of broken mirrors; perhaps your type should track down the descendents of those chiefs. Or perhaps I should not. Perhaps its enough to stop lauding slavery in my own country. Perhaps my type? Sigh. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 22, 2023 13:04:11 GMT
Slavery was legal and to a large extent legalised by the African chiefs who sold their young for a few beads and pieces of broken mirrors; perhaps your type should track down the descendents of those chiefs. Or perhaps I should not. Perhaps its enough to stop lauding slavery in my own country. Perhaps my type? Sigh. Those chiefs were the facilitators of slavery and had been long before Brits set foot in Africa. |
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