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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 12:39:18 GMT
The sooner this government is replaced by a more competent government who reflect the wishes of the population of the UK the better.
That won’t be a government led by Starmer and co. We might be a while waiting .
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 12:45:25 GMT
The sooner this government is replaced by a more competent government who reflect the wishes of the population of the UK the better. That won’t be a government led by Starmer and co. We might be a while waiting . We won't know about Starmer until, if he ever does, become PM. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 12:49:17 GMT
The sooner this government is replaced by a more competent government who reflect the wishes of the population of the UK the better. That won’t be a government led by Starmer and co. We might be a while waiting . We won't know about Starmer until, if he ever does, become PM. We know enough. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 13:15:42 GMT
We won't know about Starmer until, if he ever does, become PM. We know enough. You have an opinion, fair enough. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 13:21:03 GMT
You have an opinion, fair enough. If we only use absolutes then anything that’s posted on here would a truism. Starmer hasn’t shown any ability or talent that indicates he would be capable or competent as a PM. Maybe you are easier to please than me. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 13:59:54 GMT
You have an opinion, fair enough. If we only use absolutes then anything that’s posted on here would a truism. Starmer hasn’t shown any ability or talent that indicates he would be capable or competent as a PM. Maybe you are easier to please than me. I'll wait and see. Can't see him being any worse than the run of Conservative PMs that this country has suffered. He might just be better. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 14:05:20 GMT
If we only use absolutes then anything that’s posted on here would a truism. Starmer hasn’t shown any ability or talent that indicates he would be capable or competent as a PM. Maybe you are easier to please than me. I'll wait and see. Can't see him being any worse than the run of Conservative PMs that this country has suffered. He might just be better. Thats what it has come to . Voting for one in the vain hope that they are not as bad as the other. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 17:15:17 GMT
I'll wait and see. Can't see him being any worse than the run of Conservative PMs that this country has suffered. He might just be better. Thats what it has come to . Voting for one in the vain hope that they are not as bad as the other. You know the Tories are absolutely shockingly shit if even Starmer looks like being a modest improvement. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 19, 2023 17:16:36 GMT
You have an opinion, fair enough. We know Starmer has a track record of lying to get elected. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 17:19:34 GMT
Thats what it has come to . Voting for one in the vain hope that they are not as bad as the other. You know the Tories are absolutely shockingly shit if even Starmer looks like being a modest improvement. Even that is debatable. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 19, 2023 17:26:35 GMT
I'll wait and see. Can't see him being any worse than the run of Conservative PMs that this country has suffered. He might just be better. Thats what it has come to . Voting for one in the vain hope that they are not as bad as the other. That one will be better than the other. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 19, 2023 17:28:59 GMT
Thats what it has come to . Voting for one in the vain hope that they are not as bad as the other. That one will be better than the other. Nope . I don’t see any indication of that. It’s more whether one is going to be even worse . Imo there is a difference . Its the difference between shitting yourself and pissing yourself . |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 19, 2023 18:36:38 GMT
That doesn't solve it. The cost of the NHS is rising faster than the population. Further, living until you are 95 does not mean capable of work until you are 80. Then you stop spending as much - or you restructure the health system and move away from the NHS model (which is not going to happen). At some point you have to accept that the NHS cannot deliver everything. Agreed they can't. My question is not can private do it cheaper, but what would we forego to keep that second holiday and the skiing trip. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 19, 2023 18:44:26 GMT
You have an opinion, fair enough. What I've heard recently I'm quite pleased with. |
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Post by dodgydave on Jan 20, 2023 10:54:07 GMT
Starmer portraits himself as the grown up in the room yet he has avoided the obvious, who is going to pay for the NHS we want?
Some populist bollocks about scrapping non-dom is not even going to scratch the surface.
Personally I think they need to enter into a cross party agreement where healthcare, elder care and the benefits safety net is ringfenced and protected. ie EVERYBODY pays 10% for healthcare, 3% for elderly care, 3% unemployment / safety net and EVERY PENNY raised is spent on those things.
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