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Post by zanygame on Jan 9, 2023 21:09:38 GMT
Your shitty mouth would tell me I'm talking out of my arse whatever I said. Which is why I don't value your opinion. You further compound your sad lack of experience and knowledge of the reality, I'm sure Pacifico will tell you similarly. Trying to form a little gang again Sally. How cute. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 9, 2023 21:15:26 GMT
You further compound your sad lack of experience and knowledge of the reality, I'm sure Pacifico will tell you similarly. Trying to form a little gang again Sally. How cute. I can manage on my own, you obviously can't. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 9, 2023 22:23:29 GMT
Well I'll give you a real case - mine. I was having increasing trouble walking (getting worse by the day) and long term back pain. I went and saw my GP who advised that I needed an MRI and that he would put me on an urgent waiting list. The urgent waiting list was about 12 weeks!. So that was 12 weeks for an MRI - not for any treatment. Given my deteriorating condition I contacted my local BUPA hospital and made an appointment the following day for the MRI. I had the MRI and the technician said that he had seen something on the scan and I needed to get the results to my doctor that day - I dropped off the scan at the surgery and waited and the following day I had a call from the GP. Apparently I had a spinal cord tumour that needed immediate removal and he had arranged that I should see a surgeon in 3 days. I went to the hospital to see the surgeon and he had nowhere to do the examination so we ended up in the store cupboard - he confirmed the diagnosis and said that the tumour needed immediate removal as any damaged to the spinal chord was irreversable. He said he had a cancellation and could fit me in in 2 days time - but it wasn't certain they had a bed and wouldn't know that until the day. Anyway the day arrived and they phoned and had a bed available and to get in as soon as possible - that afternoon I had an 8 hour surgery on my back. During the operation they had only 1 pint of blood - the other 8 pints had to be plasma. There was no room in the ICU so I was left to recover on a trolley in the corridor for 2 days and then was transferred to a ward. Of course there was no space in the mens ward so they put me in the bedding store at the end of the womens ward. The operation meant that I needed specialist physiotherapy to walk again, which the hospital provided - then after about 10 days I was released home to complete the physio at home. But my NHS area didnt provide specialist physiotherapy and I couldn't go back to the hospital to complete it as it was a different NHS area and I was from 'out of area'. So I ended up paying for the hospital physio to come to my home and do some private treatment. So pardon me if I treat your claims that the NHS was so great under Blair that nobody needed private insurance as the rantings of a deluded fool. My wife was a part of a specialist neurological team from 1984 to 2009 and I have to say there are parts of your story which you've misunderstood. There was always room to bump routine cases for urgent ones. Loads of times she worked till the early hours for cases you describe. Blame your doctor for missing the cancer by all means, it does happen, a fast growing cancer can go from almost undetectable to dangerous in 10 days, so if you presented no other symptoms of cancer they might miss it. The shortage of blood would be the same public or private both share the same source. My wife says the whole physio story is nonsense considering what you had.
Just saying. Well thats me convinced - some anonymous bloke on the internet assures me that the reason I couldnt get physio off the NHS and had to spend hundreds going private is that I was talking bollocks... .. perhaps she would like to refund me? |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 10, 2023 8:26:37 GMT
My wife was a part of a specialist neurological team from 1984 to 2009 and I have to say there are parts of your story which you've misunderstood. There was always room to bump routine cases for urgent ones. Loads of times she worked till the early hours for cases you describe. Blame your doctor for missing the cancer by all means, it does happen, a fast growing cancer can go from almost undetectable to dangerous in 10 days, so if you presented no other symptoms of cancer they might miss it. The shortage of blood would be the same public or private both share the same source. My wife says the whole physio story is nonsense considering what you had.
Just saying. Well thats me convinced - some anonymous bloke on the internet assures me that the reason I couldnt get physio off the NHS and had to spend hundreds going private is that I was talking bollocks... .. perhaps she would like to refund me? No, you just need to fill in the missing pieces of your story so it rings true. No one recovering from such a serious cancer would be sent home without seeing a physiotherapist. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 10, 2023 8:31:15 GMT
Well thats me convinced - some anonymous bloke on the internet assures me that the reason I couldnt get physio off the NHS and had to spend hundreds going private is that I was talking bollocks... .. perhaps she would like to refund me? No, you just need to fill in the missing pieces of your story so it rings true. No one recovering from such a serious cancer would be sent home without seeing a physiotherapist. I said I saw one when I was in hospital - its when I got out of the hospital that the problem started. That is why I had to pay to employ the girl from the hospital in a private capacity.. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 10, 2023 8:57:16 GMT
No, you just need to fill in the missing pieces of your story so it rings true. No one recovering from such a serious cancer would be sent home without seeing a physiotherapist. I said I saw one when I was in hospital - its when I got out of the hospital that the problem started. That is why I had to pay to employ the girl from the hospital in a private capacity.. Apologies. I missed that. So you felt you required further physio but your doctor refused to refer you. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 10, 2023 9:44:35 GMT
Well I'll give you a real case - mine. I was having increasing trouble walking (getting worse by the day) and long term back pain. I went and saw my GP who advised that I needed an MRI and that he would put me on an urgent waiting list. The urgent waiting list was about 12 weeks!. So that was 12 weeks for an MRI - not for any treatment. Given my deteriorating condition I contacted my local BUPA hospital and made an appointment the following day for the MRI. I had the MRI and the technician said that he had seen something on the scan and I needed to get the results to my doctor that day - I dropped off the scan at the surgery and waited and the following day I had a call from the GP. Apparently I had a spinal cord tumour that needed immediate removal and he had arranged that I should see a surgeon in 3 days. I went to the hospital to see the surgeon and he had nowhere to do the examination so we ended up in the store cupboard - he confirmed the diagnosis and said that the tumour needed immediate removal as any damaged to the spinal chord was irreversable. He said he had a cancellation and could fit me in in 2 days time - but it wasn't certain they had a bed and wouldn't know that until the day. Anyway the day arrived and they phoned and had a bed available and to get in as soon as possible - that afternoon I had an 8 hour surgery on my back. During the operation they had only 1 pint of blood - the other 8 pints had to be plasma. There was no room in the ICU so I was left to recover on a trolley in the corridor for 2 days and then was transferred to a ward. Of course there was no space in the mens ward so they put me in the bedding store at the end of the womens ward. The operation meant that I needed specialist physiotherapy to walk again, which the hospital provided - then after about 10 days I was released home to complete the physio at home. But my NHS area didnt provide specialist physiotherapy and I couldn't go back to the hospital to complete it as it was a different NHS area and I was from 'out of area'. So I ended up paying for the hospital physio to come to my home and do some private treatment. So pardon me if I treat your claims that the NHS was so great under Blair that nobody needed private insurance as the rantings of a deluded fool. I think we've established that Zany isn't amenable to facts, he'd rather rely on spin and spreadsheets to claim that you're mistaken.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 10, 2023 10:48:15 GMT
I said I saw one when I was in hospital - its when I got out of the hospital that the problem started. That is why I had to pay to employ the girl from the hospital in a private capacity.. Apologies. I missed that. So you felt you required further physio but your doctor refused to refer you. It's hard not to swear. When I had a knee replacement some 18 months ago, I had physio immediately after the spinal block wore off and was discharged the same day with a message that the physio had emailed my GP to arrange a local physio. Luckily I did my own physio awaiting an appointment since two weeks later no appointment arrived, so I rang my GP who told me they had never received the email; the hospital found that hard to believe as did I. They sent a further email with a copy to me and it was two weeks befor4e the doctor responded, not with an appointment but with a list of local physios asking me to arrange; the earlies appointment was a month hence. When I reported back to the GP they managed to fix me up with an appointment at the surgery with a visiting NHS physio; I could barely walk for two days after and never returned. I continued with my own physio then rang the hospital where I'd had the replacement asking the physio to give me a check up which they did with an approval of excellent. The second knee some six months ago I told the hospital not to contact my doctor, the surgeon agreeing that self-physio was best if you were capable of doing it. No need to respond, just read it to show how repeatedly wrong you are......about most things. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 10, 2023 11:33:21 GMT
I said I saw one when I was in hospital - its when I got out of the hospital that the problem started. That is why I had to pay to employ the girl from the hospital in a private capacity.. Apologies. I missed that. So you felt you required further physio but your doctor refused to refer you. No - the docs said I needed it but it was not available in my area. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 10, 2023 11:36:20 GMT
Interesting that todays Guardian is admitting that simply throwing more money into the bottomless pit of the NHS will not solve the problems. If the Guardian are finally getting it there is hope....maybe..  |
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Post by see2 on Jan 10, 2023 12:01:13 GMT
Interesting that todays Guardian is admitting that simply throwing more money into the bottomless pit of the NHS will not solve the problems. If the Guardian are finally getting it there is hope....maybe.. I don't think that many did. Which is why IIRC NL said that some NHS work could be done in the private sector proving it could be done cheaper or on par with NHS cost. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 10, 2023 12:03:55 GMT
I think we've established that Zany isn't amenable to facts, he'd rather rely on spin and spreadsheets to claim that you're mistaken. Nope, that is definitely your forte. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 10, 2023 12:04:54 GMT
Interesting that todays Guardian is admitting that simply throwing more money into the bottomless pit of the NHS will not solve the problems.
If the Guardian are finally getting it there is hope....maybe.. Isn’t that always the case? Whatever money is given extra to these bottomless pits will not end up at the sharp end. I wonder how much the NHS have spent on bigger tits for the vain or those who come to our shores for free medical treatment over the last few years? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 12:51:15 GMT
Interesting that todays Guardian is admitting that simply throwing more money into the bottomless pit of the NHS will not solve the problems.
If the Guardian are finally getting it there is hope....maybe.. Isn’t that always the case? Whatever money is given extra to these bottomless pits will not end up at the sharp end. I wonder how much the NHS have spent on bigger tits for the vain or those who come to our shores for free medical treatment over the last few years? Probably a tiny fraction of their budget unless you have the evidence to show otherwise. But typical of your unsupported pejorative assumptions. Now if you remain true to form I expect a bout of foul mouthed trolling in response. |
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Post by ratcliff on Jan 10, 2023 12:52:25 GMT
I hope you didnt have a straight face when you wrote that.. Yawn. www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/29/private-healthcare-market-labour-laing-buissonThe share of the health market held by private medicine has shrunk by 4% since Labour came to power, newly published data reveals today. The proportion of scheduled surgery which is privately funded stood at 14.6% in 1997/98, but by last year had slumped to 10.6%, health analysts Laing & Buisson said. Their research found there were an estimated 912,300 privately funded inpatients and day cases in 2008, compared to 7,720,700 publicly funded cases. Probably due to Labour's vicious removal of tax relief for some private health subscribers forcing them back onto the NHS commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn01441/ |
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