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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2023 21:11:27 GMT
You sound the "Spreadsheet Managers" (as I call them) in the civil service. You can stand there with water pouring on your head and they can produce a spreadsheet which "Proves" that the roof isn't leaking!  Oh yes those people who deal in real numbers not fantasy. Far be it for me to defend the Squeezed Pimple, but I am myself fully aware of statistics that bear no relation to experienced reality. For example, university-educated members of the affluent middle classes whose only experience of working class communities is via a sociological study from within the confines of their ivory towers, preaching to us on the coalface about how cheap migrant labour has not been used to disadvantage us economically as proven statistically. When this is not borne out by our lived experience from which we can cite example after example. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Too heavy a reliance upon dubious statistics that bear no relationship to reality on the ground simply sows contempt, and disbelief in what we are being sold. And in the veracity of the statistics being peddled. We learn that we cannot trust them, and suspect an agenda behind them. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 21:26:57 GMT
Oh yes those people who deal in real numbers not fantasy. Far be it for me to defend the Squeezed Pimple, but I am myself fully aware of statistics that bear no relation to experienced reality. For example, university-educated members of the affluent middle classes whose only experience of working class communities is via a sociological study from within the confines of their ivory towers, preaching to us on the coalface about how cheap migrant labour has not been used to disadvantage us economically as proven statistically. When this is not borne out by our lived experience from which we can cite example after example. Lies, damned lies and statistics. Too heavy a reliance upon dubious statistics that bear no relationship to reality on the ground simply sows contempt, and disbelief in what we are being sold. And in the veracity of the statistics being peddled. We learn that we cannot trust them, and suspect an agenda behind them. An agenda for the sales figures from private health care. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2023 22:29:12 GMT
Oh FFS - we dont need bullshit from the New Labour supporting Guardian.. I was seriously ill during the Labour tenure and if I had not been able to go private I would be in a wheelchair now. Your idea that the NHS was so good that nobody needed to go private can only be a claim by someone who was not there at the time.. Do you challenge the figures I don't have to - because they do not support your claim. I dont know where you were during the Blair years but it certainly was not in the UK if you need the Guardian to tell you what the NHS was like.. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2023 22:31:32 GMT
You sound the "Spreadsheet Managers" (as I call them) in the civil service. You can stand there with water pouring on your head and they can produce a spreadsheet which "Proves" that the roof isn't leaking! Oh yes those people who deal in real numbers not fantasy. The only fantasy is by those that believe the Guardian when they tell them that the NHS was so good that private medicine was not needed. Meanwhile those actually sick were damn glad of private medicine. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 8, 2023 22:33:10 GMT
I hope you didnt have a straight face when you wrote that..  Yawn. www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/29/private-healthcare-market-labour-laing-buissonThe share of the health market held by private medicine has shrunk by 4% since Labour came to power, newly published data reveals today. The proportion of scheduled surgery which is privately funded stood at 14.6% in 1997/98, but by last year had slumped to 10.6%, health analysts Laing & Buisson said. Their research found there were an estimated 912,300 privately funded inpatients and day cases in 2008, compared to 7,720,700 publicly funded cases. I don't quite know what that means, does it include patients who choose a private treatment centre paid for by the NHS? Two knee replacements within 18 months, both carried out by a private clinic because it was my choice rather than the NHS hospital which has been in special measures or "needs improvement" for some ten years; how do they allot it, private treatment or NHS? |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 22:46:40 GMT
Oh yes those people who deal in real numbers not fantasy. The only fantasy is by those that believe the Guardian when they tell them that the NHS was so good that private medicine was not needed. Meanwhile those actually sick were damn glad of private medicine. And those needing non-urgent operations where damn glad for the NL government. NL don't deny that they used the Private sector health because the NHS they inherited was in a mess, not unlike today in some ways. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 22:50:07 GMT
Yawn. www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/29/private-healthcare-market-labour-laing-buissonThe share of the health market held by private medicine has shrunk by 4% since Labour came to power, newly published data reveals today. The proportion of scheduled surgery which is privately funded stood at 14.6% in 1997/98, but by last year had slumped to 10.6%, health analysts Laing & Buisson said. Their research found there were an estimated 912,300 privately funded inpatients and day cases in 2008, compared to 7,720,700 publicly funded cases. I don't quite know what that means, does it include patients who choose a private treatment centre paid for by the NHS? Two knee replacements within 18 months, both carried out by a private clinic because it was my choice rather than the NHS hospital which has been in special measures or "needs improvement" for some ten years; how do they allot it, private treatment or NHS? I think what you are looking for is, private treatment carried out but paid for by the NHS. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 22:53:29 GMT
I'm not arguing I'm just waiting for confirmation. Good . You shouldn’t argue against something that’s true . You seem to be making progress. I don't, but maybe you do which might explain why you came up with your comment. You don't appear to have even started to make progress. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 8, 2023 22:55:43 GMT
I don't quite know what that means, does it include patients who choose a private treatment centre paid for by the NHS? Two knee replacements within 18 months, both carried out by a private clinic because it was my choice rather than the NHS hospital which has been in special measures or "needs improvement" for some ten years; how do they allot it, private treatment or NHS? I think what you are looking for is, private treatment carried out but paid for by the NHS. That's what I said; have you been on the razzle? |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 8, 2023 22:56:39 GMT
Good . You shouldn’t argue against something that’s true . You seem to be making progress. I don't, but maybe you do which might explain why you came up with your comment. You don't appear to have even started to make progress. You do. Pity though ..you seemed to be progressing. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 22:59:45 GMT
"Sir Keir Starmer has defended backing the use of the private sector to drive down NHS waiting lists, despite his leadership pledge to “end outsourcing in our NHS”. The Labour leader told Sky News’s Sophy Ridge On Sunday programme: “ We’re not talking about privatising the NHS. The NHS has always used elements from the private sector, GPs are an example of that.” www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/sophy-ridge-b2258107.htmlAnd what part of that refutes my post? Idiot righties were bent on insinuating that Starmer was saying he would privatise part of the NHS, if you had disconnected yourself from that insinuation then that part of my post will suffice for those who were making that insinuation. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2023 23:00:43 GMT
The only fantasy is by those that believe the Guardian when they tell them that the NHS was so good that private medicine was not needed. Meanwhile those actually sick were damn glad of private medicine. And those needing non-urgent operations where damn glad for the NL government. NL don't deny that they used the Private sector health because the NHS they inherited was in a mess, not unlike today in some ways. But I needed an urgent operation - something that the NHS under Labour were unable to offer. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 23:02:36 GMT
I don't, but maybe you do which might explain why you came up with your comment. You don't appear to have even started to make progress. You do. Pity though ..you seemed to be progressing. I think you need to start mixing with older people. Maybe 25 and over. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 23:12:44 GMT
And what part of that refutes my post? Idiot righties were bent on insinuating that Starmer was saying he would privatise part of the NHS, if you had disconnected yourself from that insinuation then that part of my post will suffice for those who were making that insinuation. I just looked this up. I posted "Using private health facilities in order to get things back under control is not "more privatisation". You replied "Eh..yes it is 😁" That means you were one of the idiots continuing the lie that Starmer intended to privatise some of the NHS for the purposes mentioned. So the article I posted did have everything to do with what you posted. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 8, 2023 23:14:12 GMT
And those needing non-urgent operations where damn glad for the NL government. NL don't deny that they used the Private sector health because the NHS they inherited was in a mess, not unlike today in some ways. But I needed an urgent operation - something that the NHS under Labour were unable to offer. Perhaps you were a victim of the mess the Tories left the NHS in. |
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