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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 8, 2023 16:30:20 GMT
If someone has the Will to do something, and if its possible for it to be done, then it will be done The NHS is not in the blood of the Conservatives, and though it might come as a shock to some who support the Tories, there are many within that party who openly oppose the NHS, but thats not a suprise is it. ? It was Labour who created the NHS, and the concept of universal free healthcare is a core belief of the Labour Party. For anyone to state that Labour wont save the NHS is basically talking out of their rear, the Labour Party will save the NHS, they will rescue it once again from the clutches of the Tories, just like they did in 1997. Last time Labour were in charge, the waiting lists went down, the waiting times went down, it too two or three days to get a GP appointment ( now its two or thee weeks ), and unlike today, ambulances kept largely close to accepted response times. The NHS is now a shamples, and no its not all due to Covid, the Conservatives are responsible for people dying waiting to be seen, and its a disgrace in the worlds 6th richest country. You of course mean the last time Labour were in charge IN ENGLAND Labour have never NOT been in charge in Wales Labour in Wales don’t send ambulances to old people who’ve fallen and broken bones. They didn’t send one to a chap who lived less than a mile from the spanking new understaffed and covid infested trauma unit do his daughter and a mate had to strap him to a plank and take him there in his van When my wife fell down the stairs knocked herself out and choked on the blood from the injuries my youngest a fully trained EFR called 999 before starting to clear the airway and begin CPR as soon as her efforts succeeded THEY TURNED THE FUCKING AMBULANCE ROUND and left me to take her to a&e in my car risking paralysis. Frankly if I see a labour twat canvassing here I’m going to break several of their vital bones and leave them in the gutter to see how long they can last. Welsh Labour removed the response target time from their ambulance call-outs about six years ago after a decade and a half of miserably failing to meet the code red call out times. I think you should be careful about making rose tinted platitudes at how wonderful labour were when they are clearly a car crash where they have kept power And don’t try telling me it’s the Tory Westminster parliament to blame for not funding them because Alun Davies and then Rhodri Morgan waffled that bullshit from day one when the man in number ten was LABOUR prime minister Tony Blair
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Post by jonksy on Jan 8, 2023 16:31:49 GMT
I'm not arguing I'm just waiting for confirmation. Good . You shouldn’t argue against something that’s true . You seem to be making progress. I wouldn't hold your breath mate.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 8, 2023 17:17:48 GMT
This was mentioned on Laura Kuenssberg this morning. The shadow health minister said they would use private services to catch up the back log and these would be free at the point of use. But that the long term ambition was to make the NHS so good no one would want to go private. A repeat of what happened under new labour.Do what? I must have blinked and missed that.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 17:21:52 GMT
This was mentioned on Laura Kuenssberg this morning. The shadow health minister said they would use private services to catch up the back log and these would be free at the point of use. But that the long term ambition was to make the NHS so good no one would want to go private. A repeat of what happened under new labour.Do what? I must have blinked and missed that. Well its not too late you could look it up.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 8, 2023 17:28:11 GMT
Do what? I must have blinked and missed that. Well its not too late you could look it up. No thanks, I like fiction to be a little more exciting than the lies of Tony Blair.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 17:40:55 GMT
Well its not too late you could look it up. No thanks, I like fiction to be a little more exciting than the lies of Tony Blair. Your choice. Many folks like their views static, it gives them comfort.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2023 18:03:12 GMT
"Sir Keir Starmer has defended backing the use of the private sector to drive down NHS waiting lists, despite his leadership pledge to “end outsourcing in our NHS”. The Labour leader told Sky News’s Sophy Ridge On Sunday programme: “ We’re not talking about privatising the NHS. The NHS has always used elements from the private sector, GPs are an example of that.” www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/sophy-ridge-b2258107.htmlThis was mentioned on Laura Kuenssberg this morning. The shadow health minister said they would use private services to catch up the back log and these would be free at the point of use. But that the long term ambition was to make the NHS so good no one would want to go private. A repeat of what happened under new labour. I hope you didnt have a straight face when you wrote that..
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 18:53:11 GMT
This was mentioned on Laura Kuenssberg this morning. The shadow health minister said they would use private services to catch up the back log and these would be free at the point of use. But that the long term ambition was to make the NHS so good no one would want to go private. A repeat of what happened under new labour. I hope you didnt have a straight face when you wrote that.. Yawn. www.theguardian.com/society/2009/oct/29/private-healthcare-market-labour-laing-buissonThe share of the health market held by private medicine has shrunk by 4% since Labour came to power, newly published data reveals today. The proportion of scheduled surgery which is privately funded stood at 14.6% in 1997/98, but by last year had slumped to 10.6%, health analysts Laing & Buisson said. Their research found there were an estimated 912,300 privately funded inpatients and day cases in 2008, compared to 7,720,700 publicly funded cases.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 8, 2023 18:58:03 GMT
Oh FFS - we dont need bullshit from the New Labour supporting Guardian..
I was seriously ill during the Labour tenure and if I had not been able to go private I would be in a wheelchair now. Your idea that the NHS was so good that nobody needed to go private can only be a claim by someone who was not there at the time..
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 19:18:19 GMT
Oh FFS - we dont need bullshit from the New Labour supporting Guardian.. I was seriously ill during the Labour tenure and if I had not been able to go private I would be in a wheelchair now. Your idea that the NHS was so good that nobody needed to go private can only be a claim by someone who was not there at the time.. Do you challenge the figures
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 8, 2023 19:27:00 GMT
Oh FFS - we dont need bullshit from the New Labour supporting Guardian.. I was seriously ill during the Labour tenure and if I had not been able to go private I would be in a wheelchair now. Your idea that the NHS was so good that nobody needed to go private can only be a claim by someone who was not there at the time..
Indeed. I distinctly remember having to pay for my own knee operation during the New Labour years.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 8, 2023 19:27:25 GMT
Oh FFS - we dont need bullshit from the New Labour supporting Guardian.. I was seriously ill during the Labour tenure and if I had not been able to go private I would be in a wheelchair now. Your idea that the NHS was so good that nobody needed to go private can only be a claim by someone who was not there at the time.. Do you challenge the figures I do because they don't match the lived experience.
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 19:33:18 GMT
Oh FFS - we dont need bullshit from the New Labour supporting Guardian.. I was seriously ill during the Labour tenure and if I had not been able to go private I would be in a wheelchair now. Your idea that the NHS was so good that nobody needed to go private can only be a claim by someone who was not there at the time..
Indeed. I distinctly remember having to pay for my own knee operation during the New Labour years.
No one said they stopped altogether. Wow. That has to be the flimsiest evidence I've seen on here and there's a lot of competition.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 8, 2023 20:07:21 GMT
Indeed. I distinctly remember having to pay for my own knee operation during the New Labour years.
No one said they stopped altogether. Wow. That has to be the flimsiest evidence I've seen on here and there's a lot of competition.
You sound the "Spreadsheet Managers" (as I call them) in the civil service. You can stand there with water pouring on your head and they can produce a spreadsheet which "Proves" that the roof isn't leaking!
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Post by zanygame on Jan 8, 2023 20:19:06 GMT
No one said they stopped altogether. Wow. That has to be the flimsiest evidence I've seen on here and there's a lot of competition.
You sound the "Spreadsheet Managers" (as I call them) in the civil service. You can stand there with water pouring on your head and they can produce a spreadsheet which "Proves" that the roof isn't leaking! Oh yes those people who deal in real numbers not fantasy.
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